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I overheard my manager saying the other day that his sons peewee football team/league does not keep score. . . They feel that losing is hurtful to childrens self esteem, so they have stopped keeping score. . . I asked them what happens in the older leagues, and they said at some point the start keeping score. He did not know when or at what age. . . But to me this seems sooooo wrong. . .

In my personal opininon, this seems so so wrong. It is telling children that is doesnt really matter who wins, but then telling them that it actually does. Seems to me like it is lying. . .

When is the cut off point. When does winning and losing become important. When do you sit down Little Johnny and tell him giving it his best is not good enought anymore, because now someone is keeping score. ..

Seems outrageous to me. I think they should keep score from the beginning or not play at all. . . What is the point?

I think it also irks me because it just reminds me that we teach to the lowest rung instead of trying to make that lowest average higher. . .

Anyone esle have an opinion?
post #2 of 11
I think unfortunately, it might have more to do with keeping the parents from making a big deal out of who's winning and who's loosing. I think children are able to see it as a game and be gracious winners / losers, especially if they are encouraged in that way.

I know that when I play a board game with my nephew, he understands that sometimes he looses and sometimes he wins. But he doesn't care either way. When he looses, he'll actually say something like "woohoo! you won!"
Ok, he's only 3 so it might not be a fair comparison... but I think even older kids can handle defeat.
The question is.... can their parents handle it?
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Originally Posted by marie-p View Post
I think unfortunately, it might have more to do with keeping the parents from making a big deal out of who's winning and who's loosing.
Never thought of it that way, but I can see why you would say that. I dont have children myself, so I cant really relate, but I am speaking from my own childhood experience. . . I would hate to have the rules suddenly changed like that. . .
post #4 of 11
When I was very young, I don't remember having a concept of winning/losing, I just loved to play everything. I never have been very competitive though.

With really young kids-- preschool, kindergarten-- I don't see a point in keeping score, because you're lucky if they understand the game. After that, yes, they should keep score.

But I played a dozen different sports a dozen different years (ballet, jazz dance, t-ball, softball, soccer, swim team, golf, tennis, cheerleading) and it was always more enjoyable with a coach who didn't much care if we won or lost, and only wanted us to do our best and have fun. Coaches that cared if we won were annoying and always felt like they were coaching for themselves instead of the kids.
post #5 of 11
its are part of the Feminazi and left wing to, make the american males into wimps.
Trying to remove all forms of Competition. We now, seem to hate the winners, people who excel at what they do. WE seem to think there is something wrong , if someone makes money,if the run a business. WE have gone from a nation of pick your self up,to a nation of people looking for hand outs.

My nephew who is 14 still seems think there are no such thing as winning. He cries and gets upset when he loses at a game. They just now started keeping scores in his baseball game. but they still seem to think he is suppoed to get ice cream or pizza after they lose. That not life.

There are losers and winners, they need to learn that, if they dont like losing then get better.
learning to win is just as important as learning to lose
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its are part of the Feminazi and left wing to, make the american males into wimps.
Trying to remove all forms of Competition. We now, seem to hate the winners, people who excel at what they do. WE seem to think there is something wrong , if someone makes money,if the run a business. WE have gone from a nation of pick your self up,to a nation of people looking for hand outs.

My nephew who is 14 still seems think there are no such thing as winning. He cries and gets upset when he loses at a game. They just now started keeping scores in his baseball game. but they still seem to think he is suppoed to get ice cream or pizza after they lose. That not life.

There are losers and winners, they need to learn that, if they dont like losing then get better.
learning to win is just as important as learning to lose
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its are part of the Feminazi and left wing to, make the american males into wimps.
Trying to remove all forms of Competition. We now, seem to hate the winners, people who excel at what they do. WE seem to think there is something wrong , if someone makes money,if the run a business. WE have gone from a nation of pick your self up,to a nation of people looking for hand outs.
The feminazis and left wing? No. First of all, having played numerous all-girl and coed sports, girls are brutal. Far more brutal than boys.

It's all a matter of the pendulum swinging. Those people that grew up in the win-at-all-costs era now are punching each other and getting red-carded on the sidelines over 7-yr-olds' games. There is a happy medium somewhere, and it includes celebrating athletic greatness even if it comes from a team that doesn't always win. People forgot what sportsmanship is.

And I've no idea what kids' sports have to do with welfare or envy. People keep saying that kids have gone soft, aren't competitive... I always wonder how long it has been since they were in school. Everything is a competitition; grades, cars, relationships, sports, hair. It's a wonder anybody makes it to graduation.
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Originally Posted by marie-p View Post
I think unfortunately, it might have more to do with keeping the parents from making a big deal out of who's winning and who's loosing. I think children are able to see it as a game and be gracious winners / losers, especially if they are encouraged in that way.

I know that when I play a board game with my nephew, he understands that sometimes he looses and sometimes he wins. But he doesn't care either way. When he looses, he'll actually say something like "woohoo! you won!"
Ok, he's only 3 so it might not be a fair comparison... but I think even older kids can handle defeat.
The question is.... can their parents handle it?
I think you hit that right on the head!! When my daughter was playing softball - about ages 6 - 11 or so, they never even knew if they won or lost. I thought that was so cute. They just had fun playing.

OTOH, I agree with Bruce too. You don't always get a trophy. But maybe the kids don't need to start sports at the age of 3. If they started at a decent age, like say, middle school, they would be mature enough to figure out winning and losing.
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And I've no idea what kids' sports have to do with welfare or envy. People keep saying that kids have gone soft, aren't competitive... I always wonder how long it has been since they were in school. Everything is a competitition; grades, cars, relationships, sports, hair. It's a wonder anybody makes it to graduation.
lol they are soft now. They seem to have a sense of entitlement, that was not there when i was in school

So why is it that someone that plays a kid game and makes 20 million dollars is seen as god. how a business guy makes 20 million and count-less people say he is bad? and people seem to think they should get part what he worked hard for?

There is big movement to try and make everything male or competitive appear to be macho or bad in this country. From day time man hating talk shows, to the white man is evil, i have never seen this type of stuff in any other place i have been.

sports it kinda like life. work for what you get. unless you are paris hilton must of the rest of us have to bust are butts to get ahead.
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I overheard my manager saying the other day that his sons peewee football team/league does not keep score. . .

In my personal opininon, this seems so so wrong. It is telling children that is doesnt really matter who wins, but then telling them that it actually does.

When does winning and losing become important.
I think they should keep score from the beginning or not play at all. . . What is the point?
?
I know of another country that does this on a regular basis.
You said then what is the point if you are not keeping score, well if you are in peewee football the score is to HAVE FUN and do your best! Actually, that should be the goal of these kiddie sports. They don't understand the huge deal unless the parents let them know it actually IS a huge deal.
Don't worry, society makes it very clear winners and losers, and how very all important it is in life. Sports don't have to point that out for them.
In fact, it might help the parents out a bit anyway, parents are getting way too involved and aggressive in kiddie sports today...
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post

And I've no idea what kids' sports have to do with welfare or envy. People keep saying that kids have gone soft, aren't competitive... I always wonder how long it has been since they were in school. Everything is a competitition; grades, cars, relationships, sports, hair. It's a wonder anybody makes it to graduation.
I agree! Everything is competitive!
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