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post #421 of 439
11/5/07 at 1:57am
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
Remember its not necessarily the Christians that are making the fakes you mentioned. The believers don't "need" the proof to believe the truth


If you don't need proof, then how do you know it's all real? Or actually, how are you satisfied it is all real if you can't see it?
post #422 of 439
11/5/07 at 2:00am
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Originally Posted by Dragoriana View Post
If you don't need proof, then how do you know it's all real? Or actually, how are you satisfied it is all real if you can't see it?
I believe this would be a good time for someone to interject; `I don't need proof. It's a leap of faith'

post #423 of 439
11/5/07 at 2:04am
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
I believe this would be a good time for someone to interject; `I don't need proof. It's a leap of faith'

i was just thinking that
post #424 of 439
11/5/07 at 3:18am
This has been a most pleasant exchange, but I'll have to remain unconvinced. I'll keep the invitation open and wait for a god to show up. Having "just because" as a reason to believe just doesn't work for me.
post #425 of 439
11/5/07 at 3:37am
I think what you'll find, though, is that many people (at least the ones I've spoken to) feel that they have had a personal visitation from or experience with God and that is why they believe so strongly. Certainly I know that was the case for the friend I mention. It hasn't happened to me yet, but if it does, I'll hopefully receive it with an open mind!
post #426 of 439
11/5/07 at 3:45am
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
I think what you'll find, though, is that many people (at least the ones I've spoken to) feel that they have had a personal visitation from or experience with God and that is why they believe so strongly. Certainly I know that was the case for the friend I mention. It hasn't happened to me yet, but if it does, I'll hopefully receive it with an open mind!
Same here I had the misfortune of being stuck in the middle of a religious war in Lebanon at a time in my life when I was still trying to sort the religion thing out. It kind of soured me to the whole thing.

There was a navy chaplain there named Wheeler that was trapped in the barracks after the bombing. By the time we got back there, he'd already been dug out. He was so impressed with the lebanese christians that the last I heard of him, he'd never been able to wear the uniform or the cross ever again. Seeing religion in action disenchanted a lot of people.
post #427 of 439
11/5/07 at 3:48am
And that I think sums it up very neatly. Mostly, it's not God or faith that has people so divided, but religion. I don't know anything in history of humankind that has had the power to do such good and yet also managed to do such evil.
post #428 of 439
11/5/07 at 5:08am
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
... Christians (or otherwise) who just blindly believe everything that is put in front of them (including things that are clearly metaphorical or allegorical) and explain their slack-jawed belief as a `leap of faith', are just purely lazy and don't want to truly understand their beliefs, or the teachings of the Bible, otherwise they would question and learn and challenge all the time.
Well, I certainly didn't blindly believe everything put in front of me. I'm a typical type-A anal personality. I question everything and need to find out an explanation for everything myself. Coming to this point in my life took a lot of study and learning. Frankly, I've never personally known ANY Christians fitting your friend's description of blind belief. What do you think a Bible study is, anyway? It's exactly what your friend says Christians don't want to do: truly understand their beliefs and teachings of the Bible, questioning and challenging and learning. There's really a lot of this that goes on among Christians and it's essential to growing in their faith. I can only conclude that your friend is describing people I haven't met. That description is painting with a very broad brush. Remember that being religious (going throught the motions the church prescribes) isn't the same as believing. I'm talking about believers. I just don't see "blind belief" as being descriptive.
post #429 of 439
11/5/07 at 5:14am
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
... I'll keep the invitation open and wait for a god to show up. ....
Well, the thing is, He already has. So if people don't believe that, why would they believe if He showed up again?
post #430 of 439
11/5/07 at 5:22am
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Originally Posted by coaster View Post
Well, the thing is, He already has. So if people don't believe that, why would they believe if He showed up again?
Oh cool!! Did you get it on video? What did he say to you? Ask him what all those coded cubes in Rosslyn Chapel mean.
post #431 of 439
11/5/07 at 6:05am
Mike, you get too much from the movies.

Actually, your invitation for God to come in and have some chips and a beer is very apt, as Jesus said:

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Originally Posted by Jesus (Rev 3:20)
Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.
I can hear the knocking all the way up here in Wisconsin.
post #432 of 439
11/5/07 at 6:13am
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Originally Posted by coaster View Post
Mike, you get too much from the movies.

Actually, your invitation for God to come in and have some chips and a beer is very apt, as Jesus said:



I can hear the knocking all the way up here in Wisconsin.
Actually, I don't movie very much. I canceled NetFlix and fired Dish Network

I just thought this thread needed some light hearted silliness
post #433 of 439
11/5/07 at 6:32am
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
I just thought this thread needed some light hearted silliness
Oh, OK, some silliness would be good.

When I consider the platypus, I think God must surely have a sense of humor. I think He'd appreciate a little silliness.

post #434 of 439
11/5/07 at 6:43am
Hey, that gives me an idea of the next direction this thread might take:

Does your religion/belief system/God/lack thereof have a sense of humor?
post #435 of 439
11/5/07 at 6:52am
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Originally Posted by coaster View Post
Hey, that gives me an idea of the next direction this thread might take:

Does your religion/belief system/God/lack thereof have a sense of humor?
He HAS too. If not, he'd have used the earth as a bowling ball by now
post #436 of 439
11/5/07 at 8:23am
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
And that I think sums it up very neatly. Mostly, it's not God or faith that has people so divided, but religion. I don't know anything in history of humankind that has had the power to do such good and yet also managed to do such evil.
Nationalism, maybe. We have plentiful amounts of both, and it shows.
post #437 of 439
11/5/07 at 9:47am
Just call me, slack-jawed and lazy then. I don't mind the insult.

And I DO understand my faith, believe it or not.


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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post


I don't have to make a leap of faith to believe in Jesus. I believe in him, but I'm still not sure about God. God as religion paints Him, anyway. My friend whom you have heard me refer to before, says that leaps of faith are a pointless and unnecessary part of religion and overall faith, anyway. He says everything is in the Bible and it's all explained if you care to `unpack it' (his term) and thinks that Christians (or otherwise) who just blindly believe everything that is put in front of them (including things that are clearly metaphorical or allegorical) and explain their slack-jawed belief as a `leap of faith', are just purely lazy and don't want to truly understand their beliefs, or the teachings of the Bible, otherwise they would question and learn and challenge all the time.

He does, and all it's done is made his faith stronger. He has had personal experiences that have made him believe in, and love God, with his whole heart. But he requires proof and explanation, and he is the most knowledgeable person I know when it comes to the Bible and scriptures, because he never stops asking, he never stops learning, he never stops studying. He doesn't ever just say `Oh that's in the Bible therefore I will become an indoctrinated automaton and tell everyone that my lack of any depth of knowledge or curiosity is called a leap of faith'. It's really just a convenient way to say that you can't explain the inconsistencies in the Bible because you're too scared or lazy to question anything, so it's very handy to be able to fall back on the old leap of faith chestnut.

I like that attitude a LOT.
post #438 of 439
11/5/07 at 10:27am
"does your religion/God have a sense of humor?"

Hmmm I will have to look into that. I'm sure there is something in the Bible regarding God and humor. Do you know that He even has a book about sex and how to be a good lover?

Will let you know what I find - thanks for the little challange here
post #439 of 439
11/5/07 at 10:58am
Folks, this thread has gone off on so many tangents, besides reaching a length of 44 pages , that this is probably a good time to close it.

Just so nobody goes through withdrawal, I've started another thread dealing with a "faith" question. Please remember to respect others' religious beliefs, or lack thereof!
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