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post #1 of 439
10/24/07 at 6:19pm
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A radio talk show has really annoyed me regarding the hypocrisy about homosexuality and Christianity.... A gay guy was told by 2 preachers that he cannot be near God in spirit until he stops being gay, because gay sex is sin and married, heterosexual sin isn't...... NOT one word mentioned about how JESUS said that to be with a divorced person is ADULTERY, so unless those preachers were VIRGINS marrying VIRGINS and NEVER cheating, Or widowers marrying virgins, then IMO, the word "HYPOCRITE" applies!! I could really hear the pain in the gay guy's voice when he responded to their answers
post #2 of 439
10/24/07 at 6:36pm
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Originally Posted by catsknowme View Post
A radio talk show has really annoyed me regarding the hypocrisy about homosexuality and Christianity.... A gay guy was told by 2 preachers that he cannot be near God in spirit until he stops being gay, because gay sex is sin and married, heterosexual sin isn't...... NOT one word mentioned about how JESUS said that to be with a divorced person is ADULTERY, so unless those preachers were VIRGINS marrying VIRGINS and NEVER cheating, Or widowers marrying virgins, then IMO, the word "HYPOCRITE" applies!! I could really hear the pain in the gay guy's voice when he responded to their answers
Then vent your anger on the preachers you disagree with, not on Christianity as a whole (as it sounds like you are in your subject line). I won't debate the teachings of the Bible though, it just results in angry exchanges that go nowhere.
post #3 of 439
10/24/07 at 6:59pm
Ditto that, and there's hypocrites in every belief system. I think the OP's real grudge is against the radio show host, not against Christianity.
post #4 of 439
10/24/07 at 7:03pm
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Originally Posted by coaster View Post
Ditto that, and there's hypocrites in every belief system. I think the OP's real grudge is against the radio show host, not against Christianity.
Ah, I misunderstood then. I thought the radio talk show host was just talking about the issue, not involved in it.
post #5 of 439
10/24/07 at 7:13pm
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Originally Posted by catsknowme View Post
A radio talk show has really annoyed me regarding the hypocrisy about homosexuality and Christianity.... A gay guy was told by 2 preachers that he cannot be near God in spirit until he stops being gay, because gay sex is sin and married, heterosexual sin isn't...... NOT one word mentioned about how JESUS said that to be with a divorced person is ADULTERY, so unless those preachers were VIRGINS marrying VIRGINS and NEVER cheating, Or widowers marrying virgins, then IMO, the word "HYPOCRITE" applies!! I could really hear the pain in the gay guy's voice when he responded to their answers
Many other reglions say the same thing. Some even go so far as to stone them, put gays in mental wards. Some reglions go so far as to hang, stone, shoot women that are gulity of adultery. Many also say you are not supposed to marry a divorced women.

however, I dont recall reading in the bible anything about Gays, not being able to be saved or any such thing. Must have gotten left out in my version.
post #6 of 439
10/24/07 at 7:42pm
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
however, I dont recall reading in the bible anything about Gays, not being able to be saved or any such thing. Must have gotten left out in my version.
I was going to say..."Depends on which version you read".

Many moons ago I worked with a lady that truely believed that you could not be christian AND gay. I wish I remembered which version she has as she quoted me the passage where it said it [in her version].

Sorry don't remember anything else other than that moment.
post #7 of 439
10/24/07 at 8:15pm
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Originally Posted by catcaregiver View Post
Ah, I misunderstood then. I thought the radio talk show host was just talking about the issue, not involved in it.
I don't know that, but a talk show host is usually understood to be responsible for the guests on the show.
post #8 of 439
10/24/07 at 8:23pm
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
however, I dont recall reading in the bible anything about Gays, .
That's a modern term, as I'm sure you're well aware.

Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."

And there are other verses that say basically the same. I think it's pretty clear what the Bible says. Whether you believe it's applicable today should be the focus of the debate, not whether it's in there.
post #9 of 439
10/24/07 at 8:40pm
Yes, but Leviticus also states that women are unclean because they menstruate. Hmmm, I don't put a lot of stock in old Leviticus.
post #10 of 439
10/24/07 at 8:55pm
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Originally Posted by coaster View Post
That's a modern term, as I'm sure you're well aware.

Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."
Yea i know that but it does not say, they cant be near to god.
the person was IMO putting there owne spin on it.

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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
Yes, but Leviticus also states that women are unclean because they menstruate.
lol yea, i have been to alot of temples for a lot of faiths, and some have signs that says, if you are on your cycle you are not allowed in... Those where not christan places
post #11 of 439
10/24/07 at 9:00pm
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Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
Yea i know that but it does not say, they cant be near to god.
the person was IMO putting there owne spin on it.
That's true...I could put my own spin on it and say that it could be talking about a menage a trois (two men and a woman laying together )
post #12 of 439
10/24/07 at 9:01pm
The verses about the women meant ceremonially unclean, not sinfully unclean. And I remember hearing somewhere that this was actually a bit of a blessing for a woman, especially in an arranged marriage- she got a break from a husband she may or may not like, not to mention left alone (think cramps, bloating, etc.) during that lovely time of the month.
post #13 of 439
10/24/07 at 10:46pm
Lol! But...regardless of the interpretation and its consequences, even any implication that menstruating makes women unclean - ceremoniously or otherwise - is farcical. Which, to me, renders the `detestable-ness' of being gay pretty questionable (and ridiculous) as well.

But Bruce is right - it's not just Christianity that is full of hypocrisy. That is why I have such an issue with organised religion - not faith - just organised religion.
post #14 of 439
10/25/07 at 5:40am
I simply refuse to throw the baby put with the bathwater. To me people are going to distort anything to justify their own hang ups. The vast majority of Christians I've met are very tolerent.

It`s always seemed to me that the harder someone judges homosexuality the more he or she has their own issues to work out on the subject.
post #15 of 439
10/25/07 at 7:09am
Every person on this earth has sinned at one time or another. The key is that you should TURN AWAY from sin if you want to be saved. That goes for any sin - whether its adultry or homosexuality or anything else. Sin is sin.

God doesn't make mistakes, but sin keeps us from God. Only thru Jesus are we saved. Remember Jesus told the prostitute to "go and sin no more" - she was forgiven but expected to not do it any more.
post #16 of 439
10/25/07 at 7:23am
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
Only thru Jesus are we saved.
NOW you've done it! Better put your asbestos suit on.
post #17 of 439
10/25/07 at 7:42am
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Originally Posted by catsallover View Post
The verses about the women meant ceremonially unclean, not sinfully unclean. And I remember hearing somewhere that this was actually a bit of a blessing for a woman, especially in an arranged marriage- she got a break from a husband she may or may not like, not to mention left alone (think cramps, bloating, etc.) during that lovely time of the month.

Good point.


And to the OP, all humans are hypocrites, what else is new?
post #18 of 439
10/25/07 at 7:47am
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
Lol! But...regardless of the interpretation and its consequences, even any implication that menstruating makes women unclean - ceremoniously or otherwise - is farcical. Which, to me, renders the `detestable-ness' of being gay pretty questionable (and ridiculous) as well.

But Bruce is right - it's not just Christianity that is full of hypocrisy. That is why I have such an issue with organised religion - not faith - just organised religion.

I've always felt pretty unclean during that time. Just a personal feeling.
post #19 of 439
10/25/07 at 9:25am
People will justify hatred and intolerance of people in whatever way is convenient. Slavery was defended by the bible, and many other things.

Whoever wrote Leviticus did so in a time that was more intolerant than our own, and its unsurprising that its in there. But you can't say "Oh, this part of Leviticus we should still follow, but not everything else".

So, we can eat pork, not perform a single animal sacrifice, go to church on your period, etc etc etc, but gay is still horrifying and wrong. IMO, if a person feels that way, it isn't because it's in the Bible, its because they're a bigot who happens to have a couple biblical passages hidden in an otherwise largely ignored book to defend their bigotry with.
post #20 of 439
10/25/07 at 9:33am
It looks like many versions of the Bible lump homosexuality in with all kinds of unrightousness.
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/6-9.htm
post #21 of 439
10/25/07 at 9:46am
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
People will justify hatred and intolerance of people in whatever way is convenient. Slavery was defended by the bible, and many other things.

Whoever wrote Leviticus did so in a time that was more intolerant than our own, and its unsurprising that its in there. But you can't say "Oh, this part of Leviticus we should still follow, but not everything else".

So, we can eat pork, not perform a single animal sacrifice, go to church on your period, etc etc etc, but gay is still horrifying and wrong. IMO, if a person feels that way, it isn't because it's in the Bible, its because they're a bigot who happens to have a couple biblical passages hidden in an otherwise largely ignored book to defend their bigotry with.
IMO, this is probably your best post ever.
post #22 of 439
10/25/07 at 10:07am
The reason you don't have animal sacrifices anymore is that Jesus became the ultimate sacrifice for everyone.

Many of the rules in the OT were because of sanitation problems more then anything else.
post #23 of 439
10/25/07 at 10:09am
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
Yes, but Leviticus also states that women are unclean because they menstruate. Hmmm, I don't put a lot of stock in old Leviticus.
Well if its unclean, why did god invent us to menstruate?

I don't get the bible, thats why I stay away from it
post #24 of 439
10/25/07 at 10:28am
I think the point that's still being missed here is that the Biblical proscriptions against homosexuality are against homosexual behavior, i.e. the practice of having sexual relations with the same gender, they are NOT against the person who is gay. The Bible considers homosexual behavior a sin, but it's only one of a whole list of sins. We know that people are born with homosexual orientation and that it's just part of them. Well, every one is born a sinner and sin is just a part of everyone, so the gay person isn't any more or less a sinner than any one else. But the point that the Bible makes, if you believe it and follow it, is that to be saved you need to feel a sense of guilt for your sin, and ask to be forgiven of your sin, and try not to sin any more. A gay person can remain a gay person, but if they're following the Bible, then they'd be a gay celibate. And what's wrong with choosing to be celibate, anyway? Sex is greatly overrated in this society. A person can live a fulfilling life without it.
post #25 of 439
10/25/07 at 10:32am
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Originally Posted by coaster View Post
A person can live a fulfilling life without it.
I can testify! [tmi?]
post #26 of 439
10/25/07 at 10:36am
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Originally Posted by coaster View Post
I think the point that's still being missed here is that the Biblical proscriptions against homosexuality are against homosexual behavior, i.e. the practice of having sexual relations with the same gender, they are NOT against the person who is gay. The Bible considers homosexual behavior a sin, but it's only one of a whole list of sins. We know that people are born with homosexual orientation and that it's just part of them. Well, every one is born a sinner and sin is just a part of everyone, so the gay person isn't any more or less a sinner than any one else. But the point that the Bible makes, if you believe it and follow it, is that to be saved you need to feel a sense of guilt for your sin, and ask to be forgiven of your sin, and try not to sin any more. A gay person can remain a gay person, but if they're following the Bible, then they'd be a gay celibate. And what's wrong with choosing to be celibate, anyway? Sex is greatly overrated in this society. A person can live a fulfilling life without it.
I'm going to take issue with the last part of your statement. Sex is one of the most fundamental drives that we have right up there with food and shelter. Asking people to live a life with out sex is kind of like asking someone to stop eating. It's just not going to happen.
post #27 of 439
10/25/07 at 10:39am
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Originally Posted by lookingglass View Post
I'm going to take issue with the last part of your statement. Sex is one of the most fundamental drives that we have right up there with food and shelter. Asking people to live a life with out sex is kind of like asking someone to stop eating. It's just not going to happen.
I agree with this to an extent....to me, telling a homosexual person to just not have sex is telling them that they are not allowed to physically express their love for the person in their life.

also, it might just seem this way to me, but why is adultery taken so lightly anymore? according to that link of translations provided by Rockcat, adultery is just as bad as homosexuality. People continue to do that though and very rarely get the persecution that gays do
post #28 of 439
10/25/07 at 10:42am
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Originally Posted by lookingglass View Post
Asking people to live a life with out sex is kind of like asking someone to stop eating.
LOL, that made me chuckle. You're not going to die from not having sex.
post #29 of 439
10/25/07 at 10:43am
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Originally Posted by lookingglass View Post
Sex is one of the most fundamental drives that we have right up there with food and shelter. .
It's a fundamental drive to procreate. We've already have more than enough procreation. The earth is overpopulated. I disagree that a relationship means having to have sex. Two people can have a loving and caring relationship without needing to have sex.
post #30 of 439
10/25/07 at 10:46am
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Originally Posted by catcaregiver View Post
LOL, that made me chuckle. You're not going to die from not having sex.
I disagree..

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Originally Posted by coaster View Post
Two people can have a loving and caring relationship without needing to have sex.
Yes, they can and its called a friendship
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