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post #1 of 18
10/23/07 at 7:36pm
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Has anyone seen this show on CNN? Its all about endangered species, black market sales of them and changing ecosystems due to them being killed.

I must say I was happy being naive about this topic, because I am absolutely appalled at what goes on in some countries. I am traumatized. I can't even beleive people can do things like they are doing to animals..and endangered animals no less!

In one scene, there was a backroom in a restaurant in a country I will not name...and there were piles and piles and piles of turtles waiting to be killed and eaten Crawling all over eachother..thousands of them.

Birds in cages, half of them dead..waiting to be bought..Illegally.

They say 90% of animals smuggled for sales die before reaching their final desination...90%!!!

I can't beleive this world sometimes.
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post #2 of 18
10/23/07 at 7:39pm
that one no. But i have almost always watched wildlife shows.
and when i was in Indo the amount of jungle they cut down. with out replanting anything . just made me sick.
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post #3 of 18
10/23/07 at 7:58pm
It's a cruel world we live in.
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post #4 of 18
10/23/07 at 8:09pm
I can't watch stuff like that. It makes me sick to my stomach..

It's a sick world we live in..

~KK~
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post #5 of 18
10/23/07 at 8:10pm
I haven't seen this particular show, but I've seen others like it. It all stems from greed. people are greedy, and thus far we really haven't seen the effects of our greed. But one day we will, and by then it'll be too late.
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post #6 of 18
10/23/07 at 9:19pm
You'd be amazed the type of people who populate our planet. And it seems the uncaring & cruel are the people who reproduce the fastest.... They're ruining the planet for everyone, and that takes a truly selfish person. I can't hardly kill a spider, & they go out & kill tons of endangered animals regularly!
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post #7 of 18
10/23/07 at 9:41pm
The first part about the wolves was very interesting and I applaud Anderson Cooper and the others for making the documentay....but those poor tigers. ETA And the bears!!
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post #8 of 18
10/24/07 at 4:19am
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Ooops, I wondered if this would go in IMO..I just figured we are all against endangered species being killed
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post #9 of 18
10/24/07 at 5:09am
I haven't seen that particular show before, however as much as I Hate to admit this, if they were doing the black market trade and such their people and families would probably be starving. Then we would be crying that there are starving people in this world.

I don't think its right, but at the same time if it puts food in someones mouth, then how bad is it?

Another thing is that though humans are not helping the endangered species list, we do have to face the fact that our planet is constantly changing. If becoming "Extinct" was that horrible to the ecosystem, then why aren't dinosaurs and wooly mammouths still alive? Because the earth changed and it is constantly changing. It has before we even had the concept of "Global warming" and it will continue to do so. One day Humans will be extinct and another species with dominate the planet.
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post #10 of 18
10/24/07 at 8:00am
I would like to know what country the OP is talking about. I think countries that do that stuff should be outed.

I can't watch that stuff either. Those poor turtles and birds. It makes me way to angry at my fellow man.
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post #11 of 18
10/24/07 at 8:24am
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Originally Posted by lunasmom View Post
I don't think its right, but at the same time if it puts food in someones mouth, then how bad is it?
It is very bad...for instance, an example last night was when grey wolves were eradicated from Yellowstone park, the herbivores had no natural predators, so they were too many of them eating all the plants and trees..also there are thousands of bugs that eat the rotting carcasses of the dead bison/deer..etc..and when there are none dying, there is nothing to eat for them and for scavengers.

Anyway, I just don't think human have the right to EXTINCT a species for their own purposes. We are not a natural predator for these endangered species, and I thinks it disgusting how humans have to be in control of the fates of an entire species! It makes me sick.
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post #12 of 18
10/24/07 at 8:46am
A lot of times its the only thing people know how to do to feed their familes. Its terrible, but a LOT needs to change before this can stop. A lot of countries have a very high population of unemployed people, and poverty is widespread. Jobs are scarce, and people are exploiting the environment to survive, not always because they are "greedy". What needs to happen is there needs to be sources of income for these people that are sustainable in the long term, because the exploiting of the environment is only sustainable in the short term.
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post #13 of 18
10/24/07 at 9:11am
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Originally Posted by Sweet72947 View Post
A lot of times its the only thing people know how to do to feed their familes. Its terrible, but a LOT needs to change before this can stop. A lot of countries have a very high population of unemployed people, and poverty is widespread. Jobs are scarce, and people are exploiting the environment to survive, not always because they are "greedy". What needs to happen is there needs to be sources of income for these people that are sustainable in the long term, because the exploiting of the environment is only sustainable in the short term.
I don't really think poor people can afford $25000 endangered tigers to eat. I'm certain that it is cheaper for them to eat chicken. Its not about feeding people AT ALL IMO. People don't kill them to feed their family, they kill them to make a crapload of money.
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post #14 of 18
10/24/07 at 9:18am
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I don't really think poor people can afford $25000 endangered tigers to eat. I'm certain that it is cheaper for them to eat chicken. Its not about feeding people AT ALL IMO.
No, but they can SELL them for the money they need. Who said poor people were buying tigers to eat? I'm in a class this semester learning all about sustainability and things. Go research developing countries like I have been doing for this class and see what you learn. Developing countries are in a poor state these days. Rampant disease, extremely high rates of poverty, governmental corruption, crime everywhere, starvation. I'm not saying its right to poach animals and destroy forests, but when there's no other source of income and your choice is to starve or poach, what are you going to do.

And some people ARE just cruel and greedy, but I think most of them are just desperate.
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post #15 of 18
10/24/07 at 9:27am
The next time anybody here goes to eat at Red Lobster or any other seafood restaurant just keep in mind that everything that's being said here also applies to the oceans. Human demands for seafood are depopulating the oceans. That's the real reason you're seeing such exotic fish species on the menu these days. All the others have been overfished to near extinction and they have to keep coming up with different species of fish to go after to put on our plates.

Everybody here bemoaning the situation is part of the problem in some way or another, including me. There's just too many people on the planet.
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post #16 of 18
10/24/07 at 9:44am
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Originally Posted by Sweet72947 View Post
No, but they can SELL them for the money they need. Who said poor people were buying tigers to eat? I'm in a class this semester learning all about sustainability and things. Go research developing countries like I have been doing for this class and see what you learn. Developing countries are in a poor state these days. Rampant disease, extremely high rates of poverty, governmental corruption, crime everywhere, starvation. I'm not saying its right to poach animals and destroy forests, but when there's no other source of income and your choice is to starve or poach, what are you going to do.

And some people ARE just cruel and greedy, but I think most of them are just desperate.
I understand what your saying, don't get me wrong. I guess I just hate all of it..I hate that people even have to been in that situation to commit these crimes...and I hate the crimes. It all is so awful.
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post #17 of 18
10/26/07 at 8:04pm
If you think about it, you can't put all of the blame on the poachers...What about the cruel & ignorant customs & desires of a society that makes such things so valuable? Yes, we can agree that the poacher may be greedy, or he could only be trying to feed his family. We have to look closer to the top, who is creating the demand for such things at the expense of so many.
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post #18 of 18
10/26/07 at 10:19pm
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We have to look closer to the top, who is creating the demand for such things at the expense of so many.

If there was no market - then yup, there would be a whole lot less poaching....What is sad is that alot of the tiger bones and other parts are popular as male-enhancement aids... What a lousy reason to sacrifice tigers
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