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Hillary Clinton dumped her cat!  

post #1 of 58
10/21/07 at 11:47am
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2702804.ece


Well that settles it. I'm definitely not voting for her now....
post #2 of 58
10/21/07 at 12:01pm
Oh come on -- she did not "DUMP" her cat! The family GAVE the cat to a FRIEND!

That article is just some anti-Hillary shill slinging mud around. Let's not sink to that level, please.
post #3 of 58
10/21/07 at 12:11pm
Being on the campaign trail, the cat would have been left in the care of others anyway, I think it was the right choice to rehome him.

ETA: Sorry, thought she was Hilary's sec., not Bill's.

Summary: The cat is happy and in good hands, not dumped.
post #4 of 58
10/21/07 at 12:11pm
Betty Currie has had that cat for nearly seven years now. She spent a lot of time with Socks when she worked in the White House, grew attached to him and kept him when the Clinton's left the White House in Januray, 2001. Why do I know this? Because it was reported at the time. Can anyone tell me why the Murdoch Times has decided this is newsworthy in 2007?
post #5 of 58
10/21/07 at 12:13pm
I agree. The way the article is written sounds very one sided and the reason Socks was given away may never be known to us. It would have sounded just as bad if it were written about a Republican. Journalists are just trying to pull some heart strings where not appropriate.
post #6 of 58
10/21/07 at 12:50pm
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2702804.ece


Nice, real nice, NOT
post #7 of 58
10/21/07 at 1:02pm
Funny how it is okay that Hillary dumped her cat because people agree with her political persuasion.

I liked Romney until I heard about his treatment of his dog and I like his politics, but no way would I vote for him now.


To the people that don't think she is a cat dumper, please tell me what exactly one has to do to become a cat dumper or a dog dumper.

To me, when one has no more use for a pet and gets rid of them, they are a dumper.
Personally, I think taking on an animal is a life long commitment. Some people must not feel like that I guess.
post #8 of 58
10/21/07 at 1:04pm
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Originally Posted by CarolPetunia View Post
Oh come on -- she did not "DUMP" her cat! The family GAVE the cat to a FRIEND!

That article is just some anti-Hillary shill slinging mud around. Let's not sink to that level, please.

That is dumping in my book.
post #9 of 58
10/21/07 at 1:08pm
Don't assume I share her political persuasion, I do not, in fact, I follow no one's.
In her case, this was the right thing to do, she's never at home anyway, how fair is that to a pet, any pet?
post #10 of 58
10/21/07 at 1:11pm
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Originally Posted by Sablemerle View Post
Betty Currie has had that cat for nearly seven years now. She spent a lot of time with Socks when she worked in the White House, grew attached to him and kept him when the Clinton's left the White House in Januray, 2001. Why do I know this? Because it was reported at the time. Can anyone tell me why the Murdoch Times has decided this is newsworthy in 2007?
Doesn't sound like ANYONE in the Clinton family had an emotional attachment to poor Socks.
And didn't their dog run out in the street and get hit by a car and killed?

Great pet owners, those Clintons, maybe they can get together with the Romney's and compare notes.
post #11 of 58
10/21/07 at 1:15pm
My dog was hit by a car. I've known a lot of people's dogs to have gotten hit by cars, you only have to slip up once(like I did). That isn't justification for someone being a bad pet owner.
post #12 of 58
10/21/07 at 1:25pm
I didn't know they gave away "Socks"! Seven years ago she wasn't on the campaign trail so I would be interested in finding out why they decided to give him away after they left the White House. Could it be that he was just for publicity while they were in the White House? I guess anything is possible. After all politicians know how to play the game when it comes to public opinion.
post #13 of 58
10/21/07 at 1:27pm
I would imagine the Clinton's PR people urged them to get Socks and Buddy to promote that happy family image.
It wouldn't be the first time something of the sort happened.
post #14 of 58
10/21/07 at 1:33pm
I didn't think it was such a bad thing rehoming Socks. After all he did spend a lot of time with Betty.

The thing that upset me the most was hearing that they had had him declawed before moving to the white house. Apparently there was some concern about him destroying priceless antiques.

Don't know for sure if the story was true or just political spin. For all I know they could just be the kind who think it should be routinely done.

I never thought much about this (rules for cats in the white house) until I read about another president that was leaving his cat at home because it would have to be declawed and he did not want to to that.
post #15 of 58
10/21/07 at 1:41pm
I know it has not much to do with the topic, but my cat looks pretty similar to Socks, except his "moustache" is on the opposite side.

See for yourself.

Socks


Stinky
post #16 of 58
10/21/07 at 2:20pm
To compare Mitt Romney putting his dog in his carrier, lashing it to the top of his car and driving upteen miles to a vacation spot to the
Clinton's rehoming thier cat is like comparing apples and oranges IMO.

Dumping to me is driving your pet to the country where I used to live and throwing out of the car and driving away. Being compassionate enough to give your animal to a person who has bonded with it is giving it the home it deserves. If we were all perfect people with perfect lives there would never be rehoming but I prefer not to throw stones. This can happen for many reason and as long as you find a good home that is fine in my book. I can't predict the future and I hope it will never happen to me but I will do what is right for the animal not public opinion.

I am just leery of the rational for bringing this up now when it was reported so many year ago.
post #17 of 58
10/21/07 at 2:31pm
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Originally Posted by CheshireCat View Post
I didn't think it was such a bad thing rehoming Socks. After all he did spend a lot of time with Betty.

The thing that upset me the most was hearing that they had had him declawed before moving to the white house. Apparently there was some concern about him destroying priceless antiques.

Don't know for sure if the story was true or just political spin. For all I know they could just be the kind who think it should be routinely done.

I never thought much about this (rules for cats in the white house) until I read about another president that was leaving his cat at home because it would have to be declawed and he did not want to to that.

Yes, there is a rule about president's cats being declawed before they will allow them in the White House. The current president and his wife Laura were uninformed of this rule until it was brought to their attention by his parents George H.W. and Barbara. There's a lot of priceless furniture from passed presidents...Lincoln, Kennedy, etc. They were saddened to have to leave them in Texas with his parents. However, they adopted a cat already declawed named India from a Humane Society in Texas, and he currently lives with them in the White House. Their clawed cats live on the ranch in Crawford now with the rest of their animals. They moved all their animals there as they spend a great deal of time there.

You don't know the full story of why The Clintons gave up Socks. It does seem as if Socks had a special bond with the secretary though...Bill and Hilary still had a lot of tension between them at that time. It was also a time when Bill and Hilary were trying to decide where to settle after the White House. Chelsea was grown up and gone to college....I'm not making excuses, but there could be a number of reasons as to why....

Like the poster said above, they didn't "dump" the cat on the side of the road or take him to a high-kill shelter or have him un-necessarily PTS....he went to a friend of theirs who bonded with him.
post #18 of 58
10/21/07 at 2:48pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Funny how it is okay that Hillary dumped her cat because people agree with her political persuasion.
I don't think that whether someone agrees with what she did means that someone agrees with her political views. These are two completely seperate issues and the reason why this is being dragged up in the first place. Journalists are trying to MAKE this a political issue when we really should be concentrating on current issues and not something that happened in the past.
To me, dumping means abandoning and leaving your pet helpless with no way of being able to care for itself. I would rather have her rehome it with someone who cares than just throwing him out or putting him to sleep.
I really am getting tired of every little thing being dragged up and turned into a political issue when it's not especially when more important events are happening in the world that really need our attention.
post #19 of 58
10/21/07 at 2:55pm
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Originally Posted by sofiecusion View Post
Yes, there is a rule about president's cats being declawed before they will allow them in the White House.
Thanks for that info. As I said, I don't dislike either of them for giving Socks away. But I am so strongly opposed to declawing I will not vote for her.

True, I don't know that it was her decision alone, but she was a party to it.
post #20 of 58
10/21/07 at 3:13pm
My definition of being a cat or dog dumper is one who, dumps their animal when it is no longer convenient to keep them. So, yes Hillary and her family ARE cat dumpers IMO. Add to the fact that they DECLAWED the poor thing.

I thought having an animal is a life long commitment.

I will also throw a kudo to President Bush for NOT being an animal dumper OR someone that would have a cat declawed.

And yes, Romney SUCKS for what he did to his dog during the transport to a new home. Sucks BAD
post #21 of 58
10/21/07 at 3:21pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
And yes, Romney SUCKS for what he did to his dog during the transport to a new home. Sucks BAD
I agree about Romney. I hadn't even heard about this! That poor dog! That's just someone who lacks common sense.
post #22 of 58
10/21/07 at 3:40pm
It just ocurred to me, what the heck will I do if it ends up being Hillary VS Romney for President?
post #23 of 58
10/21/07 at 3:49pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
It just ocurred to me, what the heck will I do if it ends up being Hillary VS Romney for President?
Good question...
post #24 of 58
10/21/07 at 3:54pm
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Originally Posted by Duchess15 View Post
...I really am getting tired of every little thing being dragged up and turned into a political issue when it's especially when more important events are happening in the world that really need our attention.

Well said. And it just flabbergasts me how the propaganda machine can whip us into such a self-righteous frenzy over one president's sexual indiscretion... but the next president can come along and manufacture false "intelligence" to manipulate Congress into the wrong war; mismanage that war so abyssmally that thousands of Americans (and hundreds of thousands of others) die for exactly nothing; eviscerate our Bill of Rights; pull the rug out from under the the elderly, the very young, minorities, and the poor; spy on Americans without even a semblance of due process; sink to the level of the very worst "outlaw" nations by torturing prisoners; and on and on and on... and yet somehow it takes us six years to finally find our outrage against this president's misbegotten regime.

The difference is the highly advanced "dirty tricks" methodology employed by the right wing (and currently personified by the Bush family's attack dog, Karl Rove). It's extremely effective. And if they don't rise above it soon, they're going to force the opposition to stoop to it in self-defense. And at that point, there's nobody holding us back from the slippery slope of All Lies, All The Time.

So as petty as this little article is, it represents an extremely dangerous trend that shows no sign of relenting. Our only hope is if people like us learn to recognize this "Hillary dumped her cat" sort of tripe for the dirty trick it is.
post #25 of 58
10/21/07 at 4:35pm
IMO I don't care. A cat that was given to another person for one reason or another isn't going to sway too heavily on the decision of where my vote will go.

there are far too many other issues at hand that my vote is concerned about. Not what happened to a cat.

(PS, I am glad to see Socks as being OK and alive and healthy)
post #26 of 58
10/21/07 at 4:46pm
The Clinton's letting their secretary take their cat 7 years ago really doesn't affect how good she'd be as a President. It amazes me it'd be dragged through the mud now.
post #27 of 58
10/21/07 at 4:56pm
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Originally Posted by CarolPetunia View Post
Well said. And it just flabbergasts me how the propaganda machine can whip us into such a self-righteous frenzy over one president's sexual indiscretion... but the next president can come along and manufacture false "intelligence" to manipulate Congress into the wrong war; mismanage that war so abyssmally that thousands of Americans (and hundreds of thousands of others) die for exactly nothing; eviscerate our Bill of Rights; pull the rug out from under the the elderly, the very young, minorities, and the poor; spy on Americans without even a semblance of due process; sink to the level of the very worst "outlaw" nations by torturing prisoners; and on and on and on... and yet somehow it takes us six years to finally find our outrage against this president's misbegotten regime.

The difference is the highly advanced "dirty tricks" methodology employed by the right wing (and currently personified by the Bush family's attack dog, Karl Rove). It's extremely effective. And if they don't rise above it soon, they're going to force the opposition to stoop to it in self-defense. And at that point, there's nobody holding us back from the slippery slope of All Lies, All The Time.

So as petty as this little article is, it represents an extremely dangerous trend that shows no sign of relenting. Our only hope is if people like us learn to recognize this "Hillary dumped her cat" sort of tripe for the dirty trick it is.
oh oh, off topic.
Yeah, I didn't hear any left wingers complaining when the news came out about Romney's crummy transport of his dog. They both suck IMO.
So, you think it is okay to dump a cat when it is no longer important to your life and okay to declaw a cat to move into the White House? I don't

And when you run for President, like it or not, every little thing in your life comes under the microscope. The candidates know that going in, such is life, if they don't like it, don't run for office.
post #28 of 58
10/21/07 at 4:57pm
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Originally Posted by lunasmom View Post
IMO I don't care. A cat that was given to another person for one reason or another isn't going to sway too heavily on the decision of where my vote will go.

there are far too many other issues at hand that my vote is concerned about. Not what happened to a cat.

(PS, I am glad to see Socks as being OK and alive and healthy)
Hey, if one can't be responsible for an animal, how can they be responsible for a country?

Yep, Socks is okay alive with amputated toes and dumped by it's former owner when no longer needed.
post #29 of 58
10/21/07 at 5:11pm
yep sounds like a pet dumper to me. Now if she had dumped bill i would maybe get a little respect for her.
post #30 of 58
10/21/07 at 5:38pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Funny how it is okay that Hillary dumped her cat because people agree with her political persuasion.

I liked Romney until I heard about his treatment of his dog and I like his politics, but no way would I vote for him now.


To the people that don't think she is a cat dumper, please tell me what exactly one has to do to become a cat dumper or a dog dumper.

To me, when one has no more use for a pet and gets rid of them, they are a dumper.
Personally, I think taking on an animal is a life long commitment. Some people must not feel like that I guess.
I really, really, really wish you would quit saying stuff I agree with. Its lots more fun to argue with you
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