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post #1 of 10
10/21/07 at 7:57am
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Turkey has been attacked by the PKK again, with the terrorists striking one of their convoys in the middle of the night, and mining their roads.

12 Turkish troops killed in rebel attack

The US government is insisting that Pakistan do something to stop the incursions of insurgents over the border into Afghanistan...and feels completely justified in doing so, and has no interest in working anything out with the insurgents.

The Turks are insisting that the US and Iraq do something to stop the incursions of the PKK over the border. Our government is telling the Turks that they need to sit down with the Kurds and Iraq and work something out. ??????

"Do as I say, not as I do???"

Our own government considers the PKK to be a terrorist organization. Turkey is our NATO ally. We should either be doing something to stop terrorism (isn't that why we're there?), or, just give Turkey an "incursion zone", say 25 miles, where they can go in, find and deal with the terrorists, and go home.
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post #2 of 10
10/21/07 at 5:09pm
I know lets go gas them oh wait that been done already.

last i checked the US was talking to them also.
But hey there are kurds in turkey also.and could have been the ones on turkey side of border.
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post #3 of 10
10/21/07 at 5:36pm
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
I know lets go gas them oh wait that been done already.

last i checked the US was talking to them also.
But hey there are kurds in turkey also.and could have been the ones on turkey side of border.
If they where, they had no problems with fleeing to the Iraq side of the border when they were being pursued by the Turks.
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post #4 of 10
10/21/07 at 6:07pm
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..... , just give Turkey an "incursion zone", say 25 miles, where they can go in, find and deal with the terrorists, and go home.
That would be a disaster. Us giving them the green flag to invade Iraq, a sovereign country .... now THAT would really look good to the rest of the world. Plus once they're in there, they'll never get out. And how do we know that their motive is really just to deal with the Kurds? Might they be using that as an excuse to seize the oil fields in northern Iraq at a time when it's not being defended?

The Kurds in northern Iraq love the United States. They've never had it so good. They've practically got their own country there. This is the first time they haven't been repressed by one government or another. Turkey has been repressing (and probably practicing genocide) or their Kurdish population. Turkey has also been becoming more and more Islamist in their government. It's only a matter of the next election or two until they repudiate their secular state, and their ties with the west. They are not to be trusted. And yet we're dependent on them for their logistical support of our Iraq war.

The U.S. has a long history of choosing the wrong side and of supporting some pretty nasty tyrants and governments, just because it suits our needs at the time. And they have a habit of coming back to bite us. I think supporting Turkey in their desire to go into Iraq is very bad medicine. We'd do well to sit on the fence on this one.

Actually, we'd probably make some very good friends if we sided with the Kurds. But, hey, what can they do for us?
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post #5 of 10
10/21/07 at 6:38pm
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The Kurds in northern Iraq love the United States. They've never had it so good. They've practically got their own country there. This is the first time they haven't been repressed by one government or another.
And thats one of the things that bother me. We've been played that way before. Beirut, Lebanon, 1983. The Christian militia thought that the American Marines was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Swooped in there and had the entire PLO shipped out in just a couple of weeks, then went on our merry way. At which point the Christian militia decided to enter the camps and rape and slaughter somewhere between 800 and 3000 muslims, nobody knows how many really. So, we had to go back. Then, the Christian militia was rubbing our presence in the Muslims face, telling them stuff about how they and the "Christian American Army" was going to grind them into dust and sweep away their very existence. So, shortly after I left, the Muslims bombed the marine barracks there. So, I had to go back yet again. Yes, it was the Muslim extremists that bombed the barracks, and I despise them for it. I also despise the Christians for making them think they had too.

And now the Kurds are wanting to play us too, hitting and running and hiding under our wings.
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post #6 of 10
10/21/07 at 6:55pm
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
If they where, they had no problems with fleeing to the Iraq side of the border when they were being pursued by the Turks.

the ones onthe turkish side of the border want to be part of the kurds that are in iraq. so yea they very well could be.
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post #7 of 10
10/21/07 at 7:10pm
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And thats one of the things that bother me....And now the Kurds are wanting to play us too,...
Probably, yes. And that's why we have to avoid taking sides on this one. We have to make it clear we frown on both of them unless they stay on their own side of the border.

But the feeling I get is we're making the same mistakes all over again and we're going to give Turkey a wink and a nod. Sadaam....Noriega....Somoza....Stalin.....
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post #8 of 10
10/26/07 at 12:53pm
I honestly do not know how attacking Turkey is going to help their case for their own Kurdish nation. They are only making things worse for it. I think the troops in that area really need to stop these guys. They are starting trouble.
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post #9 of 10
10/26/07 at 10:35pm
In 1997, a bi-partisan group of congressmen wrote to President Clinton to pressure Turkey to release the first Kurdish woman to be elected to represent the Kurds in the Turkish Parliment - she was imprisoned for trying the "diplomatic" way to resolve the issue. What the Kurds want is to have their homeland of Kurdistan reestablished; it was divvied up by Europe in 1923. The Turks continue to violate the human rights of the Kurdish people - Free Speech TV has shown the PKK (now the KDK or something like that) freedom fighters - some of the freedom fighters are girls who have been attrociously raped, and therefore ruined (in their culture, for life) and have nothing to lose by becoming militants since they haven't much future anyway.
Here's a link to the letter to former President Clinton:
http://kurdistan.org/153.html
I think that as long as people are oppressed, they will fight for their freedom, no matter the cost. After all, our own USA was started by rebels
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post #10 of 10
10/27/07 at 6:51am
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...What the Kurds want is to have their homeland of Kurdistan reestablished; it was divvied up by Europe in 1923.
Wasn't it part of the Ottoman Empire? I don't think the Kurds ever had their own homeland.
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