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Can a purebred Siamese have white mitted feet?

post #1 of 29
Thread Starter 
Can a purebred Meezer have white mitted feet?
post #2 of 29
Hmmm, I think it's considered a fault in the show ring. White toes and/or feet shouldn't be seen BUT I am not sure if that means it's not a purebred cat or not. I think it's a sign of a different bloodline that doesn't carry points but thats just a guess.

Edited to add: I keep finding breeders who breed Snowshoe Siamese which I think is a class resulting from an Oriental x Siamese cross.
post #3 of 29
It is entirely possible to have a Siamese display white toes or mitted feet. It isn't desirable in the show ring, but there are many of the older bloodlines which carry the gene responsible for it.
post #4 of 29
Thread Starter 
OK. Well, she was surrendered to the local HS with her two babies....when she has babies she's aggressive. Well, yeah, her two babies....the lady breeds purebred Siamese cats. The babies are black & white....so we have a hard time believe momma is a purebred Meezer!

This is a pic of momma:


ETA: I've labeled her as a Siamese X...not sure what else I can do there on Petfinder!
post #5 of 29
ahhh that actually looks like a snowshoe possibley
post #6 of 29
What a cutie!
If you ever need help with her, the Siamese Rescue group will often foster meezer mixes.
post #7 of 29
That is most definitely not a Snowshow -- this is a Snowshoe:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowshoe_(cat)

As you can see from the photos on that link's page, the Snowshoe has very distinct coloring on the head, face and body that is decidedly different from a Siamese.

It is the white spotting factor gene that causes the mitted feet or white toes in Siamese.
post #8 of 29
Snowshoes look like a short haired bicolor Ragdoll (basically a tuxedo pattern), except the chin should be dark.
post #9 of 29
They "might". The Snowshoe cat is a purebred (siamese crossed with bicolor orignially). Is that all the white on the cat - just the feet?

More then likely there's a mix somewhere along the lines. But the picture does look like there's white on the chest. If so, then I agree it would be more of a shorthair ragdoll. If a Siamese was crossed with a bicolor Ragdoll you would get short coated pointed bicolor mixes. Maybe the lady had both breeds and crossed them (by accident or on purpose).
post #10 of 29
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
They "might". The Snowshoe cat is a purebred (siamese crossed with bicolor orignially). Is that all the white on the cat - just the feet?

More then likely there's a mix somewhere along the lines. But the picture does look like there's white on the chest. If so, then I agree it would be more of a shorthair ragdoll. If a Siamese was crossed with a bicolor Ragdoll you would get short coated pointed bicolor mixes. Maybe the lady had both breeds and crossed them (by accident or on purpose).
I have to agree with GoldeKitty on this one. The cat does look like a mix because the white is not only on the feet but also the chest. I do see how it's facial structure resembles a Siamese though. It does look like it has purebred in it's line. Calling it a Siamese mix seems appropriate in this case.
post #11 of 29
She's so pretty whatever she is
post #12 of 29
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Originally Posted by white cat lover View Post
OK. Well, she was surrendered to the local HS with her two babies....when she has babies she's aggressive. Well, yeah, her two babies....the lady breeds purebred Siamese cats. The babies are black & white....so we have a hard time believe momma is a purebred Meezer!

This is a pic of momma:


ETA: I've labeled her as a Siamese X...not sure what else I can do there on Petfinder!
She most likely isn't pure bred, but even if she was the babies would ONLY be pointed/blue eyed if the male she bred with was pointed/blue eyed or carrying the pointed gene. So even if she was pure and papered she would still deliver kittens that weren't pointed if the father wasn't (or wasn't carrying the gene)

I had a lady call me for stud service on my male, she know some one who got a kitten. I told her to bring vet records and papers on the cat. When I asked for them she said she wasn't given papers So I wouldn't even let her bring the cat in LOL! When I looked at her cat it looked just like her! I told her if she bought her as a ragdoll she was lied to. She finally admitted she was a siamese ragdoll mix. So mabey that is what that kitty is. That is what I would call her. I would call the kittens Solid siamese ragdoll mixes.
post #13 of 29
Thread Starter 
I think I'm gonna call the kittens DSH-Black & white....here are their pics.
The first kitten was most uncooperative for pics!



And this boy, Siamese/DSH X or Snowshoe/DSH X? (Gotta label them something "pretty" so he stands a chance of being adopted before he goes to a farm)
post #14 of 29
Snowshoe X for the later.. and Mom is VERY likely a snowshoe since she threw a bi color:_)

How old is the boy... I have a REALY BIG soft spot for Snowshoes

* think s how far it is to come get someone*
post #15 of 29
That last kitty looks very Snowshoe, and boy he's pretty (I know, boys shouldn't be thought of as pretty).
post #16 of 29
Thread Starter 
While we are on the topic....does this kitty look closest to purebred Meezer? (They said he was) And yes, we've got an abundance of "fake" Siamese kitties!



And what would cause this, genetically?


Both eyes were blue as a kitten when they should've changed, then her one changed later than normal
post #17 of 29
oh my gosh Natalie!!! I want to adopt all of them!! there are so gorgeous!!
post #18 of 29
Ok Nat, send that odd-eye calico to me now
post #19 of 29
Thread Starter 
Just an FYI-We do out of state adoptions, you do have to drive to come get them! (And we currently have a 2 - for - 1 cat adoption special as we've run out of space for the kitties!)

post #20 of 29
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Originally Posted by Arlyn View Post
Ok Nat, send that odd-eye calico to me now
No no no no no!!!! I want the odd-eyed calico!!!

The odd eyes happen from the white spotting gene, I believe.

The original cat looks like a Ragdoll DSH cross to me...do other breeds have the very prominent white belly stripe like Ragdolls?
post #21 of 29
Thread Starter 
Someone told me to list the odd-eyed calico as a Siamese/Calico mix.

And FYI-The odd eyed calico was born May 1st in a foster home. She & her 2 brothers have been up for adoption since then...and no interest!
post #22 of 29
How far is Minnesota from NYC. They are gorgeous!!
post #23 of 29
HUMM 2 for 1 ... figures out hum fly or drive
post #24 of 29
I would not list her as a siamese mix, the blue eye has nothing to do with the pointed gene in this case.
It's the white spotting gene as stated above.
It is, however, rare to find an odd-eye DSH that isn't predominantly white.
post #25 of 29
Oooooh, I want all of them! :< They are SO cute!
I adore odd-eyed cats, it's such an amazing trait. If I had one I'd just stare into their eyes forever!

I know that the Japanese Bobtails are often seen with beautiful calico markings and odd-eyes.

As for the other meezer, he is definitely a MEEZER but I'm not sure if he'd be pure or not. The only odd thing I notice is a very pale 'bib' on him. Otherwise he looks like a slightly older Meezer gentleman.

Gah, you guys have such amazing cats!

Odd Eyed cat picture:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Cat_odd-eye.jpg
SO pretty *_*
post #26 of 29
Wow, you have some gorgeous cats in at the moment, such a shame there are so many of them, and that you are strugglign to find placements.
post #27 of 29
Send the odd-eye calico to me (change her to a boy tho)..... I had an odd-eye black/white bicolor that was outstanding in the show ring. Her first show at 8 months old she finalled in EVERY ring and took 2 or 3 Best HHPs!



Anyway - the one, I'd call a Snowshoe mix

The Odd-Eye - would be Odd-Eye Calico DSH. Can you word it like that for Petfinders?
post #28 of 29
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
Send the odd-eye calico to me (change her to a boy tho)..... I had an odd-eye black/white bicolor that was outstanding in the show ring. Her first show at 8 months old she finalled in EVERY ring and took 2 or 3 Best HHPs!
LOL - you and your boys! Sorry - if you take the calico, you have to take the kitty with the kitty estrogen!

P.S. I love my boys too!
post #29 of 29
Well............ I HAVE a female. She is Miss Priss - don't need another one. The boys are more lovable

That's ok, I'm holding out for my future chocolate-silver or cinnamon-silver or cinnamon Ocicat boy (Charlie's brother)
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