Want to breed my Siamese girl, but need advice...

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I certainly wouldn't call an Applehead Siamese a fault. They aren't accepted in shows, which is a shame, but they do have a breed standard, and some fit the breed standard more than others. There are also a lot of people who prefer Appleheads to the modern Siamese. If people decided that Applehead Siamese arent'to be bred, then we wouldn't have them anymore, and that would be sad.
Applehead Siamese are an established breed, and there is nothing wrong with them at all.
 
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Yeah, I like Appleheads a lot better, too. They need to be accepted as a breed before the trend of creating ever-more-extreme body types goes too far overboard!

Hey, why not foster a pregnant cat? You could get the experience of raising kittens again, and your own cat could get spayed (and live longer). They're right--you won't make money breeding Siamese, anyway; and unless you want to be a serious hobby breeder, you're better off fostering, if it's kittens you're after. (Most shelters with foster programs help you with vet costs, too.)

I've never fostered kittens, but there are plenty of people here who have. Check it out; with your experience, I'm sure you'd like it.
 
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Originally Posted by HopeHacker

I certainly wouldn't call an Applehead Siamese a fault. They aren't accepted in shows, which is a shame, but they do have a breed standard, and some fit the breed standard more than others. There are also a lot of people who prefer Appleheads to the modern Siamese. If people decided that Applehead Siamese arent'to be bred, then we wouldn't have them anymore, and that would be sad.
Applehead Siamese are an established breed, and there is nothing wrong with them at all.
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It's my understanding (from a modern Siamese website) that Appleheads and/or Traditional Siamese are very rare in the UK and those that want one have a very difficult time getting one. I don't know if this is due to them not being "show-worthy" but it's a shame they aren't around so much anymore.

That makes me happy to live in North America because although the modern Siamese are sleek and beautiful, I still prefer my applehead Bijou.
 
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Originally Posted by Yosemite

It's my understanding (from a modern Siamese website) that Appleheads and/or Traditional Siamese are very rare in the UK and those that want one have a very difficult time getting one. I don't know if this is due to them not being "show-worthy" but it's a shame they aren't around so much anymore.
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I was talking about traditional siamese with someone a few days ago and found quite a few breeders on the internet when I started looking. There is an old style siamese cat club which usually has a stand at the big cat shows. I dont' know whether what we call the traditional siamese is the same as what Americans call the applehead siamese though.

http://www.oldstylesiamese.co.uk/page10/index.html

I like the look of these siamese - would these be considered traditional/applehead siamese? I gather from my internet wanderings that there are considered 3 types of Siamese over here - the modern, the traditional and the classic, the latter being somewhere inbetween the other traditional and the modern.

http://www.lintamacats.co.uk/
 
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I would call them classic/traditional Siamese from the pictures. The round head (apple head) IMO were the pet quality. While the temple cats were not as extreme as today's show Siamese, they were probably the "classic" type - more extreme then the ones running on the streets.

Still say some of the first imports were NOT the classic temple cats, but pointed cats found on the streets at the time.
 
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If the breeder placed all the other cats with breeding rights and not yours then there was a reason. Alter your cat and love your cat for being your special baby. Not for making other babies.

The best idea would be to talk to your breeder first and learn more about why the breeder placed the kitten with you as non-breeding. If you really want to breed then find a cat that is breeding and show quality and a mentor to help you learn what that means and everything about the bettering your breed of choice. Good luck and let us know.
 
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A lot of breeders who place non-breeding kittens will have them altered before handing them to the new owners. I'm surprised that this breeder didn't do that!
 
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urbantigers thought perhaps the person is in the UK, which would explain why the kitten wasn't desexed 1st as it seems hard to find vets to do it under 6 months over there.
 
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Forgot about that...hopefully UK will catch up and more vets will start doing them younger. After all, kittens as young as 4 months old can breed!
 
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Originally Posted by missymotus

urbantigers thought perhaps the person is in the UK, which would explain why the kitten wasn't desexed 1st as it seems hard to find vets to do it under 6 months over there.
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Yes, that is true. There is the odd vet who will do paediatric neutering, and some that will neuter between 4-6 months (I've never had a problem getting my boys done at 5 months) but most will insist on 6 months so few breeders neuter kittens before they go to their new homes.
 
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You guys do realize you've scared off the OP, right?...
 
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Just wanted to chime in with the people who insisted that traditional/applehead Siamese are not "faults". If/when I actually buy a Siamese, I'm not buying a wedgie show Siamese. I think they're nice and all, but I like the traditional Siamese cats.

I also love the Oriental shorthairs, because I think those big-eared freaky looking wedgie kitties are gorgeous, but I don't think for a second that traditional Siamese are some kind of fault. Preferences in the show ring have changed, but that doesn't make traditional Siamese any less worthwhile than the "newfangled" kitties winning $0.30 cent ribbons. I get my ideals from the dog show world, where conformation titles and ribbons are worthless on a dog that can't actually do anything. Cat shows are 100% subjective. As long as you're breeding healthy cats, you're way ahead of the game. As neither show Siamese or traditional Siamese actually do anything, I don't really see how anyone can claim one is better than the other, as long as they're both healthy.
 
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Originally Posted by JenC511

Just wanted to chime in with the people who insisted that traditional/applehead Siamese are not "faults". If/when I actually buy a Siamese, I'm not buying a wedgie show Siamese. I think they're nice and all, but I like the traditional Siamese cats.

I also love the Oriental shorthairs, because I think those big-eared freaky looking wedgie kitties are gorgeous, but I don't think for a second that traditional Siamese are some kind of fault. Preferences in the show ring have changed, but that doesn't make traditional Siamese any less worthwhile than the "newfangled" kitties winning $0.30 cent ribbons. I get my ideals from the dog show world, where conformation titles and ribbons are worthless on a dog that can't actually do anything. Cat shows are 100% subjective. As long as you're breeding healthy cats, you're way ahead of the game. As neither show Siamese or traditional Siamese actually do anything, I don't really see how anyone can claim one is better than the other, as long as they're both healthy.
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I totally agree, I feel the same about the Siamese and the Persians.
I like the modern look of both breeds, but I prefer the traditional look of both.
 
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Since we lost the OP some time ago and this has just turned into a discussion thread, I'll close it now.
 
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