Feline - Calcium Oxalate scare using Friskies

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I had a scare with one of my 6 year old domestic short hairs resently. he was having problems urinating .. you can amagine what he must have felt like . I found him straining to urinate in the sink , and on my bed which is very unusual for him , i knew something was not right , he could not relieve himself. Took him into the vet hospital and they had to rush him to the emergency table , had to knock him out and put a tube down his throat with anesthesia to work on this urinary blockage problem, his penis was so inflamed they could not insert a tube up it to relieve the blockage , was a very tense moment , i was watching the whole thing. We believe the blockage was at the end of the urinary track near his penis. finally she was able to get the urine to flow and relieve the bladder. later we viewed the urine samples under microscope and sure enough it was calcium oxalate crystals. very tense but then to learn this event is life threatening due to urine backing up into his kidney makes me worry. are the cat companies to blame on this one? i believe so .. because Friskies wet food has been my main food for them since i've had them since birth. And we are not out of the woods yet .. $330 later for a vet fee and this blockage can re occure! I hate to think that this could of happened when i was out for many hours .. can you amagine his pain waiting !, and he could have had the urine back up into his kidney and cause death .. not cool! I was lucky to catch it quickly and i live next to a vet hospital that was open.


Purina - Friskies manufacture and many commercial cat food producers have products with high acidic levels

heres why

In older times (20 years or so ago), cats virtually never developed calcium oxalate bladder stones. Cat bladder stones could reliably be assumed to be made of struvite (a matrix of ammonium-magnesium-phosphate). In those days, feline lower urinary tract symptoms were generally caused by struvite crystals in urine (or at least this was the assumption). Also in those days, feline lower urinary tract symptoms were extremely common. The pet food industry responded by acidifying cat foods to prevent the development of crystals. In a way it worked. Feline lower urinary tract symptoms declined. Male cats with struvite urinary blockages became far less common. The trade off was that calcium oxalate bladder stones began to develop. Acidifying the body leads to an acid urine pH and more calcium loss into the urine, both factors in the development of a calcium oxalate stone. Currently most bladder stones formed by cats are calcium oxalate stones.

ref. http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body...er_stones.html

so the key is not to have an acidic urine to keep these calcium oxalate crystals from forming stones is to try to get it balanced around 6.6 ph . (first written as 7.0 ph which was incorrect)

so now i have to feed them (he has a brother from same liter, both black)
a special diet formulated for this urinary problem.

not cool . plus Gar could be dead right now it was that serious.
 

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MOST vet say PH is healthy between 6-6.5 .. 7 is very high and actually would PROMOTE possible oxalate formation

Many foods are "formulated" for UTI health but ONLY a HANDFUL are certified for UTI health... With Oxalate crystals they are father up in the Urinary tract and often need special food ... Heredity and food play big parts ...

Do you know how to do a search on this site???

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Welcome to TCS!


I do agree you should do a search on the Health & Nutrition(this) forum. If you need help w/ a search, drop me a PM.
Go ahead & search calicium oxalate crystals.....many have experienced them as well as blockages in a male cat.

They are frighteningly common in cats. So, most of us here on TCS have educated outselves & found "the right food" for our kitties. What works well for my cats might not for yours, so it is a hard decision!
 

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Originally Posted by sharky

MOST vet say PH is healthy between 6-6.5 .. 7 is very high and actually would PROMOTE possible oxalate formation

Many foods are "formulated" for UTI health but ONLY a HANDFUL are certified for UTI health... With Oxalate crystals they are father up in the Urinary tract and often need special food ... Heredity and food play big parts ...

Do you know how to do a search on this site???

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Sharky, correct me if I am wrong (I am new to this FLUTD thing), but I thought that Struvite crystals form at low acidity higher than 6.5 and that Oxalate crystals form at high acidity (lower than 6).

When Kota's ph was 7.0 we were concerned about Struvite crystals and when it was 5.0 we were worried about Oxalate.

Which I think is what the original poster was posting about. I saw the same thing in the research that I did. That Struvite crystals used to be more prevalant than Oxalate crystals. Then manufacturers started lowering the magnesium and ash in their products to help prevent the struvite crystals. But this has swung the trend the other way, raising acidity and lowering the ph to the point that Oxalate crystals are now as much a problem as Struvite.

Am I wrong here?
 

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The only foods Purina tests for pH levels are Pro Plan for Urinary Health (canned and dry), Purina One for Urinary Health (dry), and Friskies Special Diet (Canned and dry). Those foods are formulated for a 6.3 target pH. Per the company, those are the ONLY regular foods they test (I assume they test prescription diets, I have never dealt with Purina Rx diets though).

If you were feeding regular old Friskies dry, lots of cats have urinary problems on it.
 

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Originally Posted by Kittys Mom

Sharky, correct me if I am wrong (I am new to this FLUTD thing), but I thought that Struvite crystals form at low acidity higher than 6.5 and that Oxalate crystals form at high acidity (lower than 6).

When Kota's ph was 7.0 we were concerned about Struvite crystals and when it was 5.0 we were worried about Oxalate.

Which I think is what the original poster was posting about. I saw the same thing in the research that I did. That Struvite crystals used to be more prevalant than Oxalate crystals. Then manufacturers started lowering the magnesium and ash in their products to help prevent the struvite crystals. But this has swung the trend the other way, raising acidity and lowering the ph to the point that Oxalate crystals are now as much a problem as Struvite.

Am I wrong here?
I beleive you may be correct .look at this link http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/sho...alate+crystals.. I am hoping that is what the OP meant but
.. Yes Oxalate used to be nearly unheard of but now while not common are seen more than yestur year... I will recheck see I was getting my info from my vet and mentioned a ph of 8 and she said are there crystals and should me the oxalate diet
 
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