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post #31 of 45
Yeah! I say let's stop fighting Bush's fruitless War, and start using OUR taxes to provide something for THE PEOPLE of the United States. At the VERY LEAST, let's insure the children. Bush is SO selfish and heartless, it makes me SICK!
post #32 of 45
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Originally Posted by lookingglass View Post
You also pay for health insurance in Florida. That's one of the worst states to try to buy independent health care coverage in the country. I feel for you so much, and I'm sorry it's so hard for you.
Thanks.
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Originally Posted by jcat
As a taxpayer, aren't you entitled to expect some return from your government? Our government is spending $500,000 a minute on a war that is causing around 60,000 Iraqis to seek refuge in another country every month (oh, and big deal, the U.S. took in the huge total of 535 Iraqis last year), while millions of Americans (at least 37 million, according to various sources, but more, according to others) have no health insurance whatsoever, and public hospitals are going bankrupt?
Exactly Right!!!
post #33 of 45
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Originally Posted by jcat View Post
As a taxpayer, aren't you entitled to expect some return from your government? Our government is spending $500,000 a minute on a war that is causing around 60,000 Iraqis to seek refuge in another country every month (oh, and big deal, the U.S. took in the huge total of 535 Iraqis last year), while millions of Americans (at least 37 million, according to various sources, but more, according to others) have no health insurance whatsoever, and public hospitals are going bankrupt?

YOu get return from your government every single day. We live in the best country in the world, we are free to do what we want. Everything is a gift.
We just don't appreciate what we have.
I believe entitlement is a poison.
We eat food we don't have to worry about, we drive on good roads, we have enough to eat. We are so blessed, we should count those blessings and quit our incessent whining IMO
post #34 of 45
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YOu get return from your government every single day. We live in the best country in the world, we are free to do what we want. Everything is a gift.
We just don't appreciate what we have.
I believe entitlement is a poison.
We eat food we don't have to worry about, we drive on good roads, we have enough to eat. We are so blessed, we should count those blessings and quit our incessent whining IMO
Try living poor, and say the same thing. Poor people don't get a lot out of living in this country. They can't afford medical care for themselves or their children, while Bush is wasting money right and left on a War that should be stopped, and personally, I think it's his PRIDE that keeps us in the war.

NOT EVERYONE has enough to eat. NOT EVERYONE has a roof over their heads. NOT EVERYONE feels blessed. Like I said, trying living poor.

I thought the government was for and by the people, not just the rich, well off or even comfortable. We the people have NO SAY about how are taxes are spent, obviously.
post #35 of 45
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
YOu get return from your government every single day. We live in the best country in the world, we are free to do what we want. Everything is a gift.
We just don't appreciate what we have.
I believe entitlement is a poison.
We eat food we don't have to worry about, we drive on good roads, we have enough to eat. We are so blessed, we should count those blessings and quit our incessent whining IMO
How do you know that? On what basis do you make comparisons? Sorry, Cindy, but I've spent most of my adult life either living for long periods, or making extended visits in/to other Western democracies, so your sweeping statements about how great the U.S. is disturb me. Do we actually eat food we don't have to worry about? Cf. the spinach/pet food recalls. Are U.S. traffic fatality statistics much better than those in other industrialized countries? Anybody living in another "Western" industrialized country, like Canada, the U.K., Australia, Germany; France, Sweden, Denmark, Holland, Iceland, Austria, etc., etc., will probably find your comments highly offensive.
post #36 of 45
I believe I am allowed to feel that my country is the best, just like anyone that lives in Germany can feel their country is the best and I certainly would not be offended by that.

This "Offended" stuff is out of control IMO. Everyone is offended by something.

I stand by my opinions, I don't feel anyone owes me anything. I don't believe I am entitled to anything. I believe there is help in this country for anyone who really wants help.
post #37 of 45
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Smokers are going to pay for it. As a smoker I don't really mind. It's not increasing your taxes, that is, unless you smoke.
I've kept out of this discussion because I know that my opinion on children's entitlement programs are unpopular, so I won't get into that.

But this whole "smokers pay for children's health insurance" makes zero fiscal sense to me. Zero. Why? One of the reasons that is always given when they want to raise tobacco taxes is that it will fund Quit programs and make it less attractive to smoke (in other words, make it fiscally difficult and force more people to quit). When they raised the taxes by almost $1.00/pack, my husband and I quit. They are also making it more and more difficult to find places where it's legal to smoke - no public buildings, cars are being restricted, even outdoors is being restricted. Basically, they are piece mealing a new prohibition - tobacco itself will still be legal, it just won't be legal to use it anywhere.

So with less and less of the population paying for more and more, where is the money going to come from? And when there isn't enough money from the tobacco tax, even when it gets up to $10/pack (with 1/8 of the people still buying it), do you think the S-CHIP will be phased out due to lack of funding? Hell no! It will have to be rolled into other tax-funded programs.

I 100% agree with Jana and Bruce on this. Just throwing more money into a broken system doesn't make sense, and that's pretty much all the gov't wants to do. Don't fix the problem, just keep paying it more.
post #38 of 45
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
It is when you expect someone else to pay for it.
Have you bothered to watch Sicko yet? Nearly every civilized country in the world "entitles" their citizens with health insurance. I think you are misrepresenting the words implications.

The entire issue, to me, is all about doing what is right. It's all about caring for those that are not as well off as you are. It's all about compassion. It's about the fundamental reasons why many of us on this site care for our critters.

What so ever you do to the least of my brothers, you do unto me. Some smart guy said that.
post #39 of 45
Why is it that so many people seem think that it is the job of the goverment to give them everything? Dont you get it? the more you control you give the goverment the less freedom you have?

As for the movie Sicko, tell me why did moore leave out that large number of people that come down to the US for treatments? cause its the truth, and moore does not deal in that.

just throwing money at the problem is not fixing the issue, The issue is the high cost of getting medical treatment in this country. How many good paying american jobs have left America due to one part being medical coverage. The GM strike, GM was saying it could no longer afford to pay for all the medical costs(i know that was just one point)

Sure it may feel good to say, look here is 80 tillion dollars, but that really does not fix one of the major issue right now.

and why would you want to trust the goverment with more money?
post #40 of 45
Bush upped the spending for education 40% and what good has it done. People still say he has done nothing for education. Bush can't make people be good parents.

When a countries people start feeling "entitled", it is all downhill after that, IMO.

Compassion and entitlement are two totally different things.
post #41 of 45
I do think Children are entitled to a fair chance to live healthy and to grow up. You never know what one of those children he's denying healthcare to, might do with their lives. I don't care if the childs parent is poor, unemployed, homeless or whatever. I child is innocent, and is entitled.
post #42 of 45
He isn't denying any kid's anything, why would you say a deliberate falsehood?
He vetoed EXPANDED benefits.
I believe entitlement is non productive.
I believe children should be taken care of by their parents. Parents should WORK to make a living for their children, or don't have children.
post #43 of 45
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
He isn't denying any kid's anything, why would you say a deliberate falsehood?
He vetoed EXPANDED benefits.
I believe entitlement is non productive.
I believe children should be taken care of by their parents. Parents should WORK to make a living for their children, or don't have children.
I agree with you that parents should work to support their children. I agree a hundred percent. However, if the parent won't work or can't work, it's not the child's fault. Should a child be prevented from getting good health care because of it's parents? The child can't go out and work. The child is dependent upon it's parent to support it, and if the parent is unable to do so, then that child should be entitled to decent health care until it can be properly cared for.

There are some parents who would happily work, but can't get a job, or there are parents who are working, but can't get a decent paying job. It's very hard these days with the economy the way it is for a lot of people to make a living wage. There are also a lot of employers out there who won't give health insurance to their employees. Some companies like Walmart for example usually only hire their employee's part time, in order to avoid paying health insurance to their employee's, or giving them any benefits at all.

You sound like you're very comfortable and secure in your life, but there are a lot of people, ME included who are barely getting by. I have a hernia that is so severe, it has almost made me a cripple, and I have insurance. However, the Co-pay is more than I can afford, and that doesn't even count the cost of the surgery. I don't have children, so this wouldn't have made a difference in my own life, but I would hate to see a child suffer the way I am forced to, because of lack of money. A lot of people are living like I do..just barely keeping a roof over their heads, and they work at least 40 plus hours a week like I do, and can't afford to stay home from work when they're sick and in pain, like I can't. When you're desperately trying to keep a roof over your head, and trying to keep enough food in your belly to stay alive, then you just plain don't have the money for health care. A lot of people right here in America are doing the best that they can just to stay alive. Admittedly, they probably shouldn't have children, when they're as poor as I am, but some of these people, just like me, were once making decent money, and couldn't understand what it's like to be poor and desperate in this land of plenty.
post #44 of 45
But kids of the poor ARE covered, why are you saying they aren't?

And don't even get me started on parents that won't work.
post #45 of 45
I think the world would be a better place without the "Bush" gene pool in it. They're war mongerers and completely useless in a position of power!
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