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http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_264172034.html


This just seems wrong to me.
post #2 of 15
really we need to stop pretending to be a country. We are not anymore.
For those in NC look on the back of your new DL. see what it says.

http://truthalliance.net/News/Articl...e-created.aspx
post #3 of 15
I think this could help to an extent, however licensed citizens should be protected at the same time. We all know insurance doesn't always pay and can't protect lives. If this is to happen, it should be a temporary license, for those in the process of citizenship, and they have to be thoroughly tested, written and driving of course!
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Why do I get the sneaking suspicion that this was lobbied heavily to the governor of NY by the insurance industry, hoping that they'd sell a little more car insurance?

Am I just being cynical again?
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I don't know... we already have millions of illegal immigrants driving, and I'd rather they have car insurance and have passed a driving test than not. This is a public safety issue, is it not?

Unfortunately driver's licenses are used for all kinds of things they never were meant to be used for. But it doesn't really help illegal immigrants get anything they couldn't get before.
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Thread Starter 
But just because they have a driver's license doesn't mean they will obtain car insurance.
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I work with insurance verification in the state of NY, so I can give a little background on how it works. To have a NY drivers licence doesn't mean that you have to have NY insurance. However, if you have a car, and if you have NY plates on that car, you'd better have NY insurance. Period.

Police will tow you, throw you in jail, come to your home and demand your plates, and suspend your drivers licence if you don't have it.
post #8 of 15
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
really we need to stop pretending to be a country. We are not anymore.
For those in NC look on the back of your new DL. see what it says.

http://truthalliance.net/News/Articl...e-created.aspx

Bruce, I'm not sure I understand what your objections are to the hologram.

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"The goal of the North American hologram," Howell explained, "is to get one common element that law enforcement throughout the continent can look at on all driver's licenses and tell that the driver's license is an official document."
Wouldn't it make life easier if there was some sort of "standard" of information on the licenses, e.g., vehicle classes? I don't mean take away states' rights, or national sovereignty, but the same abbreviations, layouts, etc. could be used on all licenses issued on the same (sub-)continent.

My husband has a gray German driver's license, which looks quite different from my pink European driver's license, and contains different codes, etc.. Our nephew's European driver's license, issued less than two year's ago, is in credit-card format, and the codes aren't the ones used on the European license I was issued well over two decades ago.

This can cause a great deal of confusion, especially in eastern European countries (where we all drive) new to the EU. My husband and I both drive in the U.S.. The last time we were both there, we witnessed an altercation in a parking lot, and had to give statements to the police. Our passports were back at my mom's house, and we used our drivers' licenses for identification. The cops really couldn't understand why they looked so different, although they were both issued in Germany, and why my husband's was solely in German, while mine was multilingual. A "standardized EU license" would have been a big help, and I imagine that a standard North American one would be, too.

It would also help people who move abroad. Over the years here, I've translated a lot of documents, including licenses and divorce decrees, for fellow Americans living here and applying for residence permits, marriage licenses, driver's licenses, etc..

I still remember one GI who had a driver's license from a Southern state - I think Georgia or Alabama - and I was completely shocked that there was a line for "race". Being from the North, I'd never seen such a thing. I hope that's no longer the practice today, but if it is, a standardized license could do away with such unnecessary indications.
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Originally Posted by jcat View Post
Bruce, I'm not sure I understand what your objections are to the hologram.
simple really, its all part of making the Union of canada, mexcio, america.
removing the US as free nation. How i have no problems with some of the ties with canada.
I do when it comes to mexcio, drug cartels have brought off most of there goverment,
kidnapping people for money is common business. This is what we are letting in.

the reason the goverment does nothing but put up a small show when it comes to stopping illegal immigrants,but i guess they are not really illegal.since we are one country now.

i remember reading this book some time ago, thinking it was joke.

http://www.amazon.com/Late-Great-U-S...0509318&sr=8-1

but i have started to change my mind. As i see alot of the stuff in it taking place.
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
simple really, its all part of making the Union of canada, mexcio, america.
removing the US as free nation. How i have no problems with some of the ties with canada.
I do when it comes to mexcio, drug cartels have brought off most of there goverment,
kidnapping people for money is common business. This is what we are letting in.

the reason the goverment does nothing but put up a small show when it comes to stopping illegal immigrants,but i guess they are not really illegal.since we are one country now.

i remember reading this book some time ago, thinking it was joke.

http://www.amazon.com/Late-Great-U-S...0509318&sr=8-1

but i have started to change my mind. As i see alot of the stuff in it taking place.
I totally agree.
post #11 of 15
Hmm... I was thinking of international licenses when I read that story. How come international licenses work between Europe and places like Japan, but not the US? I.e. a US licensed driver can't apply for an international driver's license, and has to go through special procedures to obtain one, while someone from the UK can get an international driver's license and drive freely anywhere in Europe and Japan.

Can't something like an international driver's license be put in place between Mexico, US and Canada?
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A NATIONAL ID has been coming since early this year. I'd imagine its only a matter of time before it becomes larger.

http://www.news.com/FAQ-How-Real-ID-...3-5697111.html

http://www.news.com/National-ID-card...html?tag=st.rn

I know the state of NV has had to make a plan to amp up their hiring process and increase space in the next 6 (If I remember correctly) years in order to comply with the new standards. I found that article but you have to be a subscriber to read it again, and I'm not.

I think that it can help with a lot of different things, such as fraud or underage drinking if everything was similar. But at the same time it seems dangerous.

"Supporters claim it is not a national ID because it is voluntary," Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, one of the eight Republicans to object to the measure, said during the floor debate this week. "However, any state that opts out will automatically make nonpersons out of its citizens. They will not be able to fly or to take a train."

That does not sound very voluntary to me. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
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If you notice, those links are from 2 years ago. The idea has been around awhile, as has the opposition to it.

Robert Heinlein said it best, when a place requires a national id, it's time to leave- they're about to self-destruct.
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Originally Posted by Brittany View Post
A NATIONAL ID has been coming since early this year. I'd imagine its only a matter of time before it becomes larger.

http://www.news.com/FAQ-How-Real-ID-...3-5697111.html

http://www.news.com/National-ID-card...html?tag=st.rn

I know the state of NV has had to make a plan to amp up their hiring process and increase space in the next 6 (If I remember correctly) years in order to comply with the new standards. I found that article but you have to be a subscriber to read it again, and I'm not.

I think that it can help with a lot of different things, such as fraud or underage drinking if everything was similar. But at the same time it seems dangerous.

"Supporters claim it is not a national ID because it is voluntary," Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, one of the eight Republicans to object to the measure, said during the floor debate this week. "However, any state that opts out will automatically make nonpersons out of its citizens. They will not be able to fly or to take a train."

That does not sound very voluntary to me. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
This topic specifies American citizens, as you said "national ID".......Doesn't really apply to original thread, except for reasons it wont pass in the long run!
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This topic specifies American citizens, as you said "national ID".......Doesn't really apply to original thread, except for reasons it wont pass in the long run!
I just meant that this has been going on for a long time, a movement toward grouping larger and larger areas together. While I can see the usefulness of having a standard ID for this whole area, I also don't believe it will pass. I don't think it has ENOUGH useful benefits, other than being easier to read...
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