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post #1 of 18
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A man shot a police officer in 1966 and paralyzed him. He spent 20 years in jail and was released. Last month the man he shot died from an infection caused by the shooting. He's now being charged for murder.

I really don't know how to feel about this. Anyone else have an opinion.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/19/us...8mhaPDE+C51aBg
post #2 of 18
Dang, he already spent 20 years in jail!!

I say he shouldn't go back..that is ridiculous. There must be some sort of statute or limitations in cases like these..
post #3 of 18
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Originally Posted by Trouts mom View Post
Dang, he already spent 20 years in jail!!

I say he shouldn't go back..that is ridiculous. There must be some sort of statute or limitations in cases like these..
Not for murder. If that's what he's being charged with.
post #4 of 18
It's going to be a tough prosecution. They'll have to prove that the death was DIRECTLY attributable to the paralysis, caused by the shooting. There are SO many things, that can kill paralytics: pneumonia, kidney failure, gangrene, emboli. These things also kill ostensibly healthy people, too.
post #5 of 18
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Originally Posted by katl8e View Post
It's going to be a tough prosecution. They'll have to prove that the death was DIRECTLY attributable to the paralysis, caused by the shooting. There are SO many things, that can kill paralytics: pneumonia, kidney failure, gangrene, emboli. These things also kill ostensibly healthy people, too.
It's a tough case. On the one hand, I think, "41 years? It's tough to really believe there's cause for an indictment." On the other, suppose we were talking about Hitler and his minions, Pinochet, Milosevic, et.al.? Of course, none of them were ever actually sentenced.
post #6 of 18
Spending 20 years in prison is much more than most people get for MURDER>

Geeze, the dude is 71, let him die in peace.

This is revenge, pure and simple.
post #7 of 18
Hmm i don't know really?

Theres a woman on my bus who just lost her husband in June through cancer. The doctors at the time of his diagnosis asked if he'd fallen, or had a knock to the face at anytime?. As it happend 6 months previous he worked as a life guard at the city swimming pool and was punched in the face by a swimmer who wouldn't get out the pool when he asked him.

The doctors confirmed that the shock of what had happend brought the onset of the cancer on, so the police became involved, he was arrested and stood trial.

He was fined £250 to be paid to his widow, which she told them to give to cancer reasearch because the figure given was an insult and he basically murdered her husband, which i know i would feel the same way
post #8 of 18
He should be charged with murder.

The cop he shot was paralyzed as a result of that guys actions.

A person who is paralyzed has a compromised immune system and has a harder time battling infections than those with a healthy immune system.

Had the cop been healthy, chances are if he had gotten this infection to begin with, and he may not have, he would have been able to fight it off.

Because of his compromised immune system that was a result of his paralysis which was brought on at the hands of the guy who shot him, he died.

He could have died as a result of the bullet injury 20 years ago, or he could have died as a result of that injury a year or even 20 years later. Either way he died as a result of the bullet injury.
post #9 of 18
I think this is double jeopardy. Yes, maybe the shooting was the cause of the death in a round-about way. But you cannot be charged and convicted of Attempted Murder, and then convicted of the same Murder. By definition, Attempted Murder means the person didn't die, and it was just an attempt.

If he had shot a security guard, this wouldn't even be brought up. There are harsher penalties for harming a police officer - even if you don't know they are a cop at the time. I have no problem with that at all. I do have a problem with this new case being brought against him only because the person he shot was a cop. This man already served 20 years of his life in prison for his crime, for his action. How can he be convicted of a different crime for the same action?
post #10 of 18
I vote for double jeopardy, too. It's the same crime that he was convicted of and served time for. You can't be charged twice for the same crime. I think the fact that the man died long, long after (and it's not even clear if it's due to the original act) can't be considered a new crime.
post #11 of 18
Its not double jeopardy though because he is being charged for a different crime.

However, seen as though he was convicted of attempted murder, and had a rather long sentance I find it hard to believe that a jury will now convict him of murder and send him back to jail.

The guy has paid his price - I think this is a case of cops looking after cops (Please don't take this too harshly)

Ok, now after reading the article there is NO way they can convict him - The cop has been involved in two car accidents and falls from his wheelchair! They cannot say without doubt that the shooting 41 years ago atrributed without a break in medical evidence to cause his death.

I think this is revenge - Pure and simple.
post #12 of 18
The officer regained his ability to walk, and then injured his back two more times, causing the paralysis. Even if he died as a result of a spinal injury, the last two times he injured his spine were the cause of his paralysis. HE RECOVERED FROM THE SHOOTING!
post #13 of 18
I don't know; he wasn't even charged with attempted murder the first time, just aggravated assault. If they couldn't prove that he was trying to kill the officer 40 years ago, why are they trying to prove that he did kill him now?

Also, the article mentions three other injuries and hepatitis. He died of a UTI, not a bullet wound.
post #14 of 18
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Hmm i don't know really?

Theres a woman on my bus who just lost her husband in June through cancer. The doctors at the time of his diagnosis asked if he'd fallen, or had a knock to the face at anytime?. As it happend 6 months previous he worked as a life guard at the city swimming pool and was punched in the face by a swimmer who wouldn't get out the pool when he asked him.

The doctors confirmed that the shock of what had happend brought the onset of the cancer on, so the police became involved, he was arrested and stood trial.

He was fined £250 to be paid to his widow, which she told them to give to cancer reasearch because the figure given was an insult and he basically murdered her husband, which i know i would feel the same way
I don't understand how striking someone can cause cancer.
post #15 of 18
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I don't understand how striking someone can cause cancer.
It doesn't... there must be something missing in the story?
post #16 of 18
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I don't understand how striking someone can cause cancer.
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
It doesn't... there must be something missing in the story?
It was the punch in the face that sent a shock to his system apparantly.

I'm only saying what the "proffesionals" told his widow, and there must have been some truth in it for him to be charged?.
post #17 of 18
He ruined the police officer's life by shooting him in the first place.

That being said, I don't think they will be able to put the causation of death on him, and it will be dropped.

I am from Phila. and Lynn Abraham is tough on crime, and doesn't put up with nonesense, and I am surprised she is doing this because it appears to be a waste of time, but then again, I am not a prosecutor.

As far as the Old man shooter goes, I think he desrves it, and I wish everyone who goes around shooting people would get the same treatment. I am sick of criiminals taking over our world, and I am sick of the easy access to guns that makes things like this more likely to happen.
post #18 of 18
Surely this is all preliminary and a lot of tests have to be done. But, I do think it is ridiculous. I am sure the guy has paid his due and feels enough remorse for what he has done. Sounds fishy that the guy dies from an infection and bloody murder is screamed.
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