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post #1 of 27
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It seems that Scientists are now creating human-animal hybrid embryos.

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Regulators have agreed in principle to allow human-animal embryos to be created and used for research.

But scientists wanting to use hybrids will still need to make individual applications, the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6978384.stm

http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/...s.html?ref=rss

The Catholic Church feels that embroys injected with human DNA should be given "Human Status"

http://www.catholic.org/internationa...y.php?id=24515

I'm all for scientific study, but I feel that scientists are opening Pandora's Box with some of the research they are doing. Aside from the moral aspects, there are other potential concerns and problems.

The world is filled with crazy people and some of these scientific techniques falling into the wrong hands could be very dangerous. We may well see dinosaurs roaming the earth again if this keeps up.

Already the movie "The Island of Dr. Morreau" doesn't seem so far fetched.

I'm beginning to lose faith in humanity
post #2 of 27
Yea I read that one yesterday and contemplated posting it here.

Its an outrage really. Sure its for all of the diseases we hav, but new and even more horrible ones will mutate and become resillient (sp?) to any new treatments.
post #3 of 27
I'm all for scientific research as well; but that is getting just a tad bit creepy.
post #4 of 27
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
I'm all for scientific research as well; but that is getting just a tad bit creepy.
It has a yuck factor, but hear me out on this one. For human dogboy to exist this is what would have to happen: the 14 day old embryo would have to jump out of the petri dish, onto a near by woman, some how make it up her vagina into her uterus, implant, not spontaneously abort, and be carried full term.

Let the moral outrage begin! That is so possible!

Honestly folks, if this step in science creates an end to the need for human donors for organ transplants, the end to life altering spinal cord injures by regrowing tissue, or perhaps a cure for cancer I'm willing to take my chances.
post #5 of 27
The article says the hybrid embryos would be just used for research and then be destroyed after 14 days. And I agree that research leading to the production of organs for transplant is beneficial to humanity. I'm concerned that this is one of those "first step on a slippery slope" things. There's a great potential for abuse. Someone at sometime is going to try implanting one of these things to see what happens.
post #6 of 27
hummm human animal hybrids... YIKES
post #7 of 27
I just wonder what all they have already done that hasn't been made public.
post #8 of 27
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Originally Posted by coaster View Post
The article says the hybrid embryos would be just used for research and then be destroyed after 14 days. And I agree that research leading to the production of organs for transplant is beneficial to humanity. I'm concerned that this is one of those "first step on a slippery slope" things. There's a great potential for abuse. Someone at sometime is going to try implanting one of these things to see what happens.
The same argument was made when human testing on the Small Pox vaccine started.
post #9 of 27
Scientist have really gone way too far and they say this is for the sake of humanity? Embryos will be destroyed in the process of combining human and animal embryos; destroying human embroys is destroying human life. It is the same with human embryonic research, destroying human embroys for the sake of giving life to another is so completely wrong. Two wrongs don't make it right. Remember the commandment "Thou shall not kill"?

To quote the Vatican:
The Vatican also weighed in on the debate, describing it as a "monstrous act directed against human dignity".

On the lighter side, will an animal/human child wake up some day and start 'mooing'? Will 'it' start walking like an animal? How about the birth certificate-who will be listed as 'it's' mother or father-Daisy the Cow?

ETA: Going to make sure if any of my DK's marry, we check and make sure the girlfriend/boyfriend's blood-line is HUMAN; I don't want any grandchildren with animal genes messing up my bloodline.
post #10 of 27
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Originally Posted by ddcats View Post
Scientist have really gone way too far and they say this is for the sake of humanity? Embryos will be destroyed in the process of combining human and animal embryos; destroying human embroys is destroying human life. It is the same with human embryonic research, destroying human embroys for the sake of giving life to another is so completely wrong. Two wrongs don't make it right. Remember the commandment "Thou shall not kill"?

To quote the Vatican:
The Vatican also weighed in on the debate, describing it as a "monstrous act directed against human dignity".

On the lighter side, will an animal/human child wake up some day and start 'mooing'? Will 'it' start walking like an animal? How about the birth certificate-who will be listed as 'it's' mother or father-Daisy the Cow?

ETA: Going to make sure if any of my DK's marry, we check and make sure the girlfriend/boyfriend's blood-line is HUMAN; I don't want any grandchildren with animal genes messing up my bloodline.
Okay. I understand that you think that science has gone to far, but if the cure for cancer comes out of this research would you use it?
post #11 of 27
If the cure for cancer came out of this particular research, destroying human embroys to compensate the life of another, no I would not.

If the cure for cancer came out of an ethical research that does not destroy humans, I would.

If in the meantime, I did have cancer, and there is no cure except the first cure listed above, then I would rather die with dignity; knowing that I died without destroying another human in the process.

ETA: There probably is a cure for cancer using ethical methods; the animal/human method that mad scientists are using is just another reason for them to get funding for their mad science experiments. And if there is a cure for cancer; it probably will not be here soon, all the drug companies will lose big money.
post #12 of 27
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Originally Posted by ddcats View Post
If the cure for cancer came out of this particular research, destroying human embroys to compensate the life of another, no I would not.

If the cure for cancer came out of an ethical research that does not destroy humans, I would.

If in the meantime, I did have cancer, and there is no cure except the first cure listed above, then I would rather die with dignity; knowing that I died without destroying another human in the process.
See, you've made your decision.

I, however, would jump at the chance at spending 10 more years with my family and friends if I use a cure derived from these methods. That's what it's going to boil down to. We aren't going to stop this research we are just going to have to make decisions based on the outcomes.
post #13 of 27
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See, you've made your decision.

I, however, would jump at the chance at spending 10 more years with my family and friends if I use a cure derived from these methods. That's what it's going to boil down to. We aren't going to stop this research we are just going to have to make decisions based on the outcomes.
Your right, there is no stopping 'science'. And in the end we will all make our own decisions. We all will have to live with or die with the decisions that we made.
post #14 of 27
First of all, these 'embryos' are not tiny little humans. They're destroyed way before you could tell what species it would be in the first place, probably the only way it would work at all. I'm astounded they've been able to get the embryos to take at all, but we all know there's no way they would last long enough to even begin to be resembling anything.

Humans are animals. There's nothing special about this. The differentiation between species is that they cannot breed together, and somehow we are cheating that for two weeks, but beyond that it violates no natural laws. Would it have happened naturally? Who knows, but reports of bestiality aren't exactly non-existent yet somehow there are no mutant half human half farm animals walking around (and I am not saying this to be crude).

Ethics are very important. The thing is, millions of potential embryos are already discarded. Why not do something that could help people with them? Yes, it is now possible for couples to adopt said zygotes, but for the most part, they're destroyed. Even on a pretty common basis from our own bodies, many women have had miscarriages without ever noticing.
post #15 of 27
I think this research should continue if it results in finding cures for some horrible chronic diseases and conditions. And how do we know if this research isn't part of a divine plan to allow humans to help themselves????? But I also don't think any of these human/animal embryos should ever be allowed to reach maturity, because that would be completely unethical, and we would be tampering with something we have no business interfering with at all.
post #16 of 27
I've said it before and i'll say it again- people REALLY need to stop trying to play God! This is rediculious.
post #17 of 27
Wth kind of research comes from human/animal crossbreeding??!?!

We don't mate with animals, we have them as pets or food. What is going to come of this and what is the point?!?!?!
post #18 of 27
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
First of all, these 'embryos' are not tiny little humans. They're destroyed way before you could tell what species it would be in the first place, probably the only way it would work at all. I'm astounded they've been able to get the embryos to take at all, but we all know there's no way they would last long enough to even begin to be resembling anything.
Soo...because you cannot see their tiny fingers or ears or some sort of body part, you say they are not alive?

I'm not for this crude crossbreeding but whether they are destroyed at 14 days or 24 days etcetc, they are still living creatures, even if they rely on a placenta and carrier.

The scientists should not be doing this in the first place. Even if they were not destroyed (god i hate that word) i dont think they would come to full term.

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post #19 of 27
I know they're wanting to do this because getting human eggs is too expensive for the numbers they need.

I.e they need lots of stemcells and human cells is easy to get so it's the eggs that are the bottle neck. Using cows eggs or whatever they're using gets around that.

I don't really have a problem with it. Then again I work at a university with a very active biology research department and several of my friends have been working at cloning things and doing genetic research (mostly in plants actually, but still)

Also how they do it usually is they just use the egg as housing really. They go in and remove the cow DNA and nucleus, put in a human nucleus instead and do something to make the cell start dividing and voila! human stem cells.
post #20 of 27
Just because we can doesn't mean we should.

The question that needs answering IMO is, does the end justify the means?

I don't think people should be cloned and I think that is what this will all lead to.
post #21 of 27
Didn't you see Star Wars?? We won't need a draft if we can clone an army
post #22 of 27
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Originally Posted by Dragoriana View Post
I'm not for this crude crossbreeding but whether they are destroyed at 14 days or 24 days etcetc, they are still living creatures, even if they rely on a placenta and carrier.
There's no 'potential life' argument to be had here. There is nothing viable about these embryos.
post #23 of 27
Now that's what i call tempering with nature
post #24 of 27


The strange, half-human creatures in the image above are neither real nor a hoax; they are elements of a sculpture by Australian artist Patricia Piccinini entitled "The Young Family," which, in turn, is part of a larger installation called "We Are Family," described by Jane Silversmith of the Australian Council for the Arts as an exploration of "the changing relationship between what is considered natural and what is considered artificial."
"Piccinini's works animate the promise and the perils of the runaway scientific developments that pervade our time," Silversmith continues. "Her art embodies our dreams -- dreams of perfect children, of perfect health, of life disease-free, and articulates the value of difference and uncertainty in human life."
Characterized variously as "sow-like," "half-human, half-dog" and "trans-species," Piccinini's silicone creatures are unsettling, even disturbing, to look at, because they blur the boundary between human and animal in such a lifelike way. It is a timely theme, given continual advances in embryonic stem cell research that may eventually enable scientists to grow human organs in the bodies of other species, and vice-versa. Recalling a mythological beast described by the ancient Greeks as part-lion, part-goat and part-dragon, the subjects of such trans-species experimentation have been appropriately dubbed "chimeras."

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_half_human.htm
post #25 of 27
That's not nice at all
post #26 of 27
It isn't nice, it is evil.
post #27 of 27
Bottom line. People have to die. I lost my parents to cancer, and my grandmother has alzheimers. When we are born, we start to die. That is the way of life. Why mess with the natural order of things and do very unnatural things to get cures?

This whole thing just scares me. Human's are becoming too smart for their own good. We've already ruined the planet in one century. Some may argue that if we're given the knowledge we should use it. I don't agree with that.

I believe, some poor woman will be paid enough by some government to carry one of these embrios to full term...just to see what happens. For science. Just to see what happens. If it hasn't been done already.
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