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Does anyone want to talk about Sen. Craig?

post #1 of 21
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It looks like he may step down today.
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/...ap4071993.html

Anyone want to talk about it?
post #2 of 21
I have real mixed feelings about what happened to him. I heard some of the "interrogation" and it sure does sound like entrapment. But at the same time, he's a Senator and he had to (or should have) thought for 1/2 a second that ANY guilty plea would be picked up by the press. Better to fight it and maintain your innocence than try to brush it under the rug. I mean, most of us here know the law enough to know that when you ask for a lawyer they aren't supposed to question you any further. He should have known that.

As for him stepping down, well he has been convicted of a crime now, misdemeanor or not. That's not acceptable for a member of Congress.

Whether or not he's attracted to men is totally irrellevant to me.
post #3 of 21
As far as I am concerned, he plead guilty so he is guilty. He should step down. I am embarrassed that he is a member of the party I vote for.

What the heck is the deal that convicted criminals can be Senators and Congressman and hold any old office, but let someone be convicted of a felony when they are young and stupid and they are banned from voting for life? That just doesn't seem right to me.
post #4 of 21
Don't be embarrassed by the fact that he's a member of the party you voted for. The behavior of someone in one political party is no reflection on the people who vote for it.

Likewise, one party is not any more likely to be envolved in this kind of behavior than any other party, in spite what you may read.

Where it gets dangerous, tho, is when one party seems to spend a great deal of time and money trying to legislate other people's morality, when they are not practicing the same higher standard of morals....very sad on so many levels...
post #5 of 21
There are good and bad in BOTH parties. Whether or not he's gay doesn't bother me. I'm concerned with marriage issues and the effect it will have long term on everything that most people just don't see.

I thought it was very wrong when Clinton said that oral sex was NOT sex - it is and it gives the wrong impression - not only the fact that he committed adultry but that he denied that it was sex! And what would have happened if it was a man giving him oral instead of a woman - would people have reacted differently?
post #6 of 21
The one thing about him that I didnt understand is why plead guilty to a charge that you swear up and down you are 100% innocent of. Oh, that's right, as he put it "to make it all go away" Coming from someone who works in the Criminal Justice Field you never outrightly plead guilty to a crime you state you are innocent of simply to make it "poof, go away". Once you plead guilty it's now on your record. Dumb move if you ask me. Also, when I was listening to parts of the interrogation, I couldnt get over the Senator's arrogance/defensiveness. He even went so far as to make a comment where he said (paraphrasing here because I dont remember his exact words) "I dont do those kinds of disgusting things" (said with real arrogant/defensive tone in his voice). He got caught with his pants down (for lack of a better phrase) and he has the audacity to sit in judgment of others.
post #7 of 21
i just wonder, if looking for and asking for sex is wrong, in a public place.
Boy single bars are going to be in trouble.
post #8 of 21
The thing that got me was the same as Kerisha said....why would you swear up & down you are innocent, then plead guilty "just to make it go away"? He's a senator, don't tell me he doesn't realize that no one believes him!
post #9 of 21
Caught with his pants down!
post #10 of 21
I've been "semi-following" this case, and am confused. Since this obviously wasn't a pedophile/non-consenting minor case, why was the sting launched in the first place? What harm was actually being done?
post #11 of 21
I've actually wondered that as well, Tricia, and perhaps that's why the cop pushed so hard for him to plead guilty right there. Since when is touching feet, or even picking someone up in a public place a crime? I understand that indecent exposure is a crime, and I'm sure that actually committing sexual acts in public is against the law in many/most places, but just making gestures? It would be difficult to prove in court, I would think.
post #12 of 21
I heard he is "reconsidering" his decision to resign.
post #13 of 21
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Originally Posted by jcat View Post
I've been "semi-following" this case, and am confused. Since this obviously wasn't a pedophile/non-consenting minor case, why was the sting launched in the first place? What harm was actually being done?
Maybe they are getting him for breaking the man's bathroom rules.
1) no talking to another man, unless they are a friend
2) no looking at another man, unless you know them
3) no talking to another man how doing your business. even if you know them
4) no sticking your foot under the walls in the stalls(even if the guy next to you is your friend
post #14 of 21
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
Maybe they are getting him for breaking the man's bathroom rules.
1) no talking to another man, unless they are a friend
2) no looking at another man, unless you know them
3) no talking to another man how doing your business. even if you know them
4) no sticking your foot under the walls in the stalls(even if the guy next to you is your friend
Proper Men's Room Etiquette must be followed at all times. No chit chat or footsie in the men's room allowed!

Was the restroom already part of an ongoing sting operation before the former Senator arrived?
post #15 of 21
Hey may not resign now, as was said above:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20593999/?gt1=10357
post #16 of 21
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Originally Posted by Essayons89 View Post
Caught with his pants down!
Exactly what I thought when I heard the news. I don't like the guy at all.
post #17 of 21
Thread Starter 
Um, so he's not going to leave. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews

I'm going to follow this one. I wonder how it's going to turn out.
post #18 of 21
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Originally Posted by Essayons89 View Post

Was the restroom already part of an ongoing sting operation before the former Senator arrived?
Many places are targeting hookups like this. Some web sites were reporting that the Minneapolis airport was having these stings months before Craig was arrested.

I have more problems with the hypocrisy of Craig than what he did.
post #19 of 21
Is homosexuality still considered a crime in Minnesota? What about prostitution?
post #20 of 21
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Originally Posted by jcat View Post
Is homosexuality still considered a crime in Minnesota? What about prostitution?
Now, from what I understand about the way that type of encounter works no money changes hands. Both men are just there for the "moment".
post #21 of 21
It's a case of "lewd and lascivious" conduct, in a public place. As I recall, Sen. Craig plea-bargained it down to disorderly conduct.

If he didn't complete the act, I don't see the crime, here. As long as he didn't offer money, for a specific sex act, it isn't solicitation. Haven't we all been propositioned, from time to time?
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