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post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
Just a quick glance at Grain free % s



Orijen link
http://championpetfoods.com/orijen/p...tAnalysis.aspx

Guaranteed Analysis
Protein \t45.0%
Fat \t20.0%
Carbohydrate \t15.0%
Moisture \t10.0%
Fiber \t2.0%
Calcium (min.) \t1.6%
Calcium (max.) \t1.8%
Phosphorus (min.) \t1.3%
Phosphorus (max.) \t1.5%

Omega-6 \t3.8%
Omega-3 \t0.9%
Glucosamine (min.) \t500 mg/kg
Chondroitine (min.) \t150 mg/kg
Microorganisms \t80M cfu/kg

pH \t5.0
Ash (min.) \t7.0%
Ash (max.) \t7.5%

Botanical Analysis
Chicory


root \t350 mg/kg

Licorice root \t350 mg/kg
Fenugreek \t250 mg/kg
Marigold flowers \t200 mg/kg
Vitamin E \t400 IU/kg


AMINO ACIDS
Taurine \t0.25 mg/kg
T. Lysine \t2.0%
T. Threonine \t1.8%
T. Methionine \t1.3%
T. Isoleucine \t2.2%
T. Leucine \t2.4%
T. Valine \t2.5%
T. Arginine \t3.2%
T. Phen. \t1.7%
T. Histidine \t1.2%
T. Cystine \t0.7%

MINERALS
Sodium \t0.35%
Chloride \t0.5%
Potassium \t0.6%
Magnesium \t0.08%
Sulphur \t0.4%
Iron \t290 mg/kg
Zinc \t260 mg/kg
Copper \t25 mg/kg
Manganese \t24 mg/kg
Cobalt \t0.6 mg/kg
Iodine \t4 mg/kg
Selenium \t0.4 mg/kg
The short gastrointestinal system of cats is adapted to metabolize a diet high in protein and fats from meat, and not the carbohydrates and grains typical to conventional pet foods.

High protein, low carbohydrate ORIJEN replicates the original feline diet and naturally promotes peak conditioning in cats and kittens of all breeds..

A rich supply of essential fatty acids from fresh fish, sunflower and flax nutritionally supports a luxurious skin and hair coat.

Bridging the gap between good nutrition and total physical well-being, ORIJEN's botanical selection replicates the natural feline diet and helps soothe, nourish and tone the digestive tract, strengthen the liver and control insulin levels.


Evo
http://www.evopet.com/products/default.asp?id=1500


Taurine (min)\t\t0.2 %
Magnesium (max)\t\t0.1 %
Omega-3 Fatty Acids (min)\t\t0.4 %
Docosahexaenoic Acid (min)\t\t0.1 %

Total Microorganisms (min)\t\t90,000,000
CFU/lb

Calorie Content:
4,500 kcal/kg (136 g = 1 cup)
612 kcal/cup (4.80 oz = 1 cup)

Moisture \t7.5 %
Protein \t50.5 %
Fat \t22.2 %
Linoleic Acid \t4.0 %
Omega 3 \t0.44 %
Carbohydrates \t9.59 %
Fiber \t0.81 %
Ash \t9.4 %
Calcium \t2.45 %
Phosphorous \t1.58 %
Magnesium \t0.1 %

Sodium \t0.38 %
Potassium \t0.7 %
Chloride \t0.65 %
Iron \t205 mg/kg
Zinc \t200 mg/kg this is good but some others are higher
Lysine \t3.47 %
Methionine \t1.32 %

Taurine \t0.27 mg/kg


Serengetti
http://timberwolforganics.com/s.nl/i...&category=-102
DOes anyone have more info??
PROTEIN: 38% FAT: 18% FIBER: 2.5% MOISTURE: 9% ASH: 5% Kcal/kg: 3,980 OMEGA-6 FATTY ACIDS: 3.4% OMEGA-3 FATTY ACIDS: 1.2% CALCIUM: 1.4% PHOSPHOROUS: 1.1% VITAMIN A: 22,000 IU/KG VITAMIN D: 1,200 IU/KG VITAMIN E: 350 IU/KG COPPER: 16mg/KG Ingredients:


Wellness CORE
http://oldmotherhubbard.com/wellness..._dry_core.html

Crude Protein
\t

Not Less Than
\t

50.0%

Crude Fat
\t
Not Less Than
\t
18.0%

Crude Fiber
\t
Not More Than
\t
3.0%


Moisture
\t
Not More Than
\t
11.0%
Calcium \t
Not More Than
\t1.8%
Phosphorus \tNot More Than \t1.45%


Magnesium
\t
Not More Than
\t
0.10%

Vitamin E \tNot Less Than \t400 IU/kg

Taurine
\t
Not Less Than
\t
0.3%
Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C)* \tNot Less Than \t200 mg/kg

Omega 6 Fatty Acid*
\t
Not Less Than
\t
3.50 %

Omega 3 Fatty Acid*
\t
Not Less Than
\t

0.80 %
Total Micro-Organisms* \tNot Less Than \t90,000,000 CFU/l

Add other if you can
post #2 of 12
Nature's Variety Raw Instinct Grain-Free Nutrition For Cats:

GUARANTEED ANALYSIS
Crude Protein (Min.) 50.0%
Crude Fat (Min.) 22.0%
Crude Fiber (Max.) 2.8%
Moisture (Max.) 10.0%

CALORIES
491 / Cup

OTHER NUTRITIONAL DATA
Calcium (Min.) 2.985%
Phosphorus (Min.) 1.654%
Vitamin E (Min.) 212.1 IU/Kg
Vitamin C (Min.) 50 Mg/Kg
Omega-6 Fatty Acids (Min.) 3.69%
Omega-3 Fatty Acids (Min.) 0.684%%

VITAMINS
Carotene Mg/Kg 11.29
Vitamin A Iu/Kg 21753
Vitamin D Iu/Kg 1591
Vitamin E Iu/Kg 212.1
Vitamin K Mg/Kg 1.096
Ascorbic Acid Mg/Kg 50
Thiamine Mg/Kg 13.56
Riboflavin Mg/Kg 7.77
Pantothenic Acid Mg/Kg 12.37
Biotin Mg/Kg 0.91
Folic Acid Mg/Kg 0.9
Choline Mg/Kg 4187
Vitamin B12 Mg/Kg 0.23
Vitamin B6 Mg/Kg 4.423
Niacin Mg/Kg 52.4
Iodine Mg/Kg 3.99

MINERALS
Sodium 0.438%
Potassium 0.818%
Chloride 0.584%
Magnesium 0.129%
Sulfur 0.478%
Manganese mg/kg 26.35
Iron mg/kg 334.1
Copper mg/kg 31.98
Zinc mg/kg 289
Selenium mg/kg 0.763

AMINO ACIDS
Methionine-Cystine 1.752%
Methionine 1.238%
Cystine 0.515%
Lysine 2.168%
Tryptophan 0.541%
Threonine 2.453%
Isoleucine 2.098%
Histidine 1.201%
Valine 2.385%
Leucine 4.135%
Arginine 3.02%
Phenylalanine-Tyrosine 2.202%
Taurine 0.203%

Sharky, it's really hard to do a side-by-side when everything is in one long column, LOL!

Note: For the Serengeti, that is the "full" analysis, from what I can find online.
post #3 of 12
Not to be difficult but what is this meant to convey? It looks like it is just information from the manufactors sites.

Does the color coding mean anything? If so, what???
post #4 of 12
The only other one off the top of my head is Natures Variety Raw Instinct (two flavours)

Chicken Meal Formula
Instinct Grain-Free Kibble Diet for Cats


* Grain-free
* Over 90% of the protein is from chicken meal & salmon fish meal
* Exclusive freeze dried raw Bio-Coating
* Complete and balanced for all life stages
* Guaranteed to improve skin and coat!



Healthy, Natural Ingredients
Chicken Meal, Chicken Fat (preserved with Mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid), Tapioca, Pumpkinseeds, Salmon Meal, Alfalfa Meal, Montmorillonite Clay, Chicken Liver Flavor, Chicken Liver, Dried Kelp, DL-Methionine, Vitamins (Choline Chloride, Vitamin E Supplement, Ascorbic Acid, Biotin, Niacin Supplement, Vitamin A Acetate, D-Calcium Pantothenate, Riboavin Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Ethylenediamine Dihydriodide, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Beta Carotene, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid), Sea Salt, Minerals (Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Sodium Selenite), Taurine, Dried Enterococcus faecium Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus acidophilus Fermentation Product, Inulin, Flaxseed Oil, Apples, Chicken Eggs, Cottage Cheese, Cranberries, Freeze Dried Chicken, Freeze Dried Turkey, Freeze Dried Turkey Liver, Freeze Dried Turkey Hearts, Carrots, Ground Chicken Bone, Butternut Squash, Ground Flaxseeds, Broccoli, Lettuce, Spinach, Salmon Oil, Apple Cider Vinegar, Parsley, Honey, Blueberries, Rosemary Extract, Alfalfa Sprouts, Olive Oil, Persimmons, Duck Eggs, Pheasant Eggs, Quail Eggs, Sage, Clove.

Instinct Chicken Meal Formula for Cats is formulated to meet the nutritional levels established by the AAFCO Cat Food Nutrient Profile for All Life Stages.

Feeding Guide and Instructions
Sudden changes in diet can sometimes result in digestive disturbances. Do not overfeed regardless of the pet’s acceptance and eagerness. Overfeeding is the most common cause of digestive upset. Always introduce any new diet over a period of days mixing with the present diet. Keep fresh water available at all times and offer plenty of exercise.

For more detailed feeding information based on your pet's weight and activity level, please visit our Interactive Feeding Guideline.

Sizes Available
4.4 lb
12.1 lb



Guaranteed Analysis
Crude Protein (min) 50.0%
Crude Fat (min) 22.0%
Crude Fiber (max) 2.8%
Moisture (max) 10.0%

Calories
491 per cup

Other Nutritional Data
Calcium (min): 2.985%
Phosphorus (min): 1.654%
Vitamin E (min): 212.1 IU/kg
Vitamin C* (min): 50 mg/kg
Omega 6 Fatty Acids* (min): 3.69%
Omega 3 Fatty Acids* (min): 0.684%
*Not recognized as an essential nutrient by the AAFCO Cat Food Nutrient Profiles.

Vitamins
Carotene: 11.29 mg/kg
Vitamin A: 21753 IU/kg
Vitamin D: 1591 IU/kg
Vitamin E: 212.1 IU/kg
Vitamin K: 1.096 mg/kg
Ascorbic Acid: 50 mg/kg
Thiamine: 13.56 mg/kg
Riboflavin: 7.77 mg/kg
Pantothenic Acid: 12.37 mg/kg
Biotin: 0.91 mg/kg
Folic Acid: 0.9 mg/kg
Choline: 4187 mg/kg
Vitamin B12 0.23 mg/kg
Vitamin B6 4.423 mg/kg
Niacin: 52.4 mg/kg
Iodine: 3.99 mg/kg

Minerals
Sodium: 0.438%
Potassium: 0.818%
Chloride: 0.584%
Magnesium: 0.129%
Sulfur: 0.478%
Manganese: 26.35 mg/kg
Iron: 334.1 mg/kg
Copper: 31.98 mg/kg
Zinc: 289 mg/kg
Selenium: 0.763 mg/kg

Amino Acids
Methionine-Cystine: 1.752%
Methionine: 1.238%
Cystine: 0.515%
Lysine: 2.168%
Tryptophan: 0.541%
Threonine: 2.453%
Isoleucine: 2.098%
Histidine: 1.201%
Valine: 2.385%
Leucine: 4.135%
Arginine: 3.02%
Phenylalanine-Tyrosine: 2.202%
Taurine: 0.203%


_______________________________________________________________________

Rabbit Meal Formula
Instinct Grain-Free Kibble Diet for Cats


* Grain-free
* Over 90% of the protein is from rabbit, chicken, salmon & herring meals
* Exclusive freeze dried raw Bio-Coating
* Complete and balanced for all life stages
* Guaranteed to improve skin and coat!



Healthy, Natural Ingredients
Rabbit Meal, Chicken Meal, Salmon Meal, Herring Meal, Tapioca, Chicken Fat (naturally preserved with Mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid), Pumpkinseeds, Sun-Cured Alfalfa Meal, Tomato Pomace, Montmorillonite Clay, Sunflower Oil, Natural Chicken Flavor, Brewers Yeast, DLMethionine, Vitamins (Choline Chloride, Vitamin E Supplement, Ascorbic Acid, Niacin Supplement, D-Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin A Acetate, Thiamine Mononitrate, Biotin, Riboflavin Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Carotene, Folic Acid, Iodine Supplement), Sea Salt, Potassium Chloride, Peas, Cranberries, Blueberries, Minerals (Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Sodium Selenite), Taurine, Inulin, Freeze Dried Rabbit, Freeze Dried Rabbit Liver, Dried Enterococcus faecium Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus acidophilus Fermentation Product, Rosemary Extract, Freeze Dried Rabbit Lung, Dried Kelp, Freeze Dried Rabbit Hearts, Freeze Dried Ground Rabbit Bone.

Instinct Rabbit Meal Formula for Cats is formulated to meet the nutritional levels established by the AAFCO Cat Food Nutrient Profile for All Life Stages.

Feeding Guide and Instructions
Sudden changes in diet can sometimes result in digestive disturbances. Do not overfeed regardless of the pet’s acceptance and eagerness. Overfeeding is the most common cause of digestive upset. Always introduce any new diet over a period of days mixing with the present diet. Keep fresh water available at all times and offer plenty of exercise.

For more detailed feeding information based on your pet's weight and activity level, please visit our Interactive Feeding Guideline.

Sizes Available
4.4 lb
12.1 lb



Guaranteed Analysis
Crude Protein (min) 40.0%
Crude Fat (min) 20.0%
Crude Fiber (max) 2.4%
Moisture (max) 10.0%

Calories
474 per cup

Other Nutritional Data
Calcium (min): 1.079%
Phosphorus (min): 0.630%
Vitamin E (min): 206.3 IU/kg
Vitamin C* (min): 50 mg/kg
Omega 6 Fatty Acids* (min): 3.56%
Omega 3 Fatty Acids* (min): 1.10%
*Not recognized as an essential nutrient by the AAFCO Cat Food Nutrient Profiles.
post #5 of 12
Thread Starter 
LOL>.. LOl... thank you at Gingers mom



Difficult no I was trying to put it all together so folks can see all at once... Color code .. is simple green is good ... yellow is borderline and red is out of bounds .... I was doing UTI safe for minerals common to UTI issues ... the others are things like probiotics at a number that actually would help .... or if a vitamin is at a great level
post #6 of 12
So would you do the color coding with the Raw INstinct, please? (I only feed the chicken flavor, wondering if I should try the rabbit?)
post #7 of 12
Thread Starter 
Of course

The only other one off the top of my head is Natures Variety Raw Instinct (two flavours)

Chicken Meal Formula
Instinct Grain-Free Kibble Diet for Cats

* Grain-free
* Over 90% of the protein is from chicken meal & salmon fish meal
* Exclusive freeze dried raw Bio-Coating
* Complete and balanced for all life stages
* Guaranteed to improve skin and coat!



Healthy, Natural Ingredients
Chicken Meal, Chicken Fat (preserved with Mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid), Tapioca, Pumpkinseeds, Salmon Meal, Alfalfa Meal, Montmorillonite Clay, Chicken Liver Flavor, Chicken Liver, Dried Kelp, DL-Methionine, Vitamins (Choline Chloride, Vitamin E Supplement, Ascorbic Acid, Biotin, Niacin Supplement, Vitamin A Acetate, D-Calcium Pantothenate, Riboavin Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Ethylenediamine Dihydriodide, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Beta Carotene, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid), Sea Salt, Minerals (Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Sodium Selenite), Taurine, Dried Enterococcus faecium Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus acidophilus Fermentation Product, Inulin, Flaxseed Oil, Apples, Chicken Eggs, Cottage Cheese, Cranberries, Freeze Dried Chicken, Freeze Dried Turkey, Freeze Dried Turkey Liver, Freeze Dried Turkey Hearts, Carrots, Ground Chicken Bone, Butternut Squash, Ground Flaxseeds, Broccoli, Lettuce, Spinach, Salmon Oil, Apple Cider Vinegar, Parsley, Honey, Blueberries, Rosemary Extract, Alfalfa Sprouts, Olive Oil, Persimmons, Duck Eggs, Pheasant Eggs, Quail Eggs, Sage, Clove.

Instinct Chicken Meal Formula for Cats is formulated to meet the nutritional levels established by the AAFCO Cat Food Nutrient Profile for All Life Stages.

Feeding Guide and Instructions
Sudden changes in diet can sometimes result in digestive disturbances. Do not overfeed regardless of the pet’s acceptance and eagerness. Overfeeding is the most common cause of digestive upset. Always introduce any new diet over a period of days mixing with the present diet. Keep fresh water available at all times and offer plenty of exercise.

For more detailed feeding information based on your pet's weight and activity level, please visit our Interactive Feeding Guideline.

Sizes Available
4.4 lb
12.1 lb



Guaranteed Analysis
Crude Protein (min) 50.0%
Crude Fat (min) 22.0%
Crude Fiber (max) 2.8%
Moisture (max) 10.0%

Calories
491 per cup

Other Nutritional Data
Calcium (min): 2.985%
Phosphorus (min): 1.654%

Vitamin E (min): 212.1 IU/kg
Vitamin C* (min): 50 mg/kg
Omega 6 Fatty Acids* (min): 3.69%
Omega 3 Fatty Acids* (min): 0.684%

*Not recognized as an essential nutrient by the AAFCO Cat Food Nutrient Profiles.

Vitamins
Carotene: 11.29 mg/kg
Vitamin A: 21753 IU/kg
Vitamin D: 1591 IU/kg
Vitamin E: 212.1 IU/kg
Vitamin K: 1.096 mg/kg
Ascorbic Acid: 50 mg/kg
Thiamine: 13.56 mg/kg
Riboflavin: 7.77 mg/kg
Pantothenic Acid: 12.37 mg/kg
Biotin: 0.91 mg/kg
Folic Acid: 0.9 mg/kg
Choline: 4187 mg/kg
Vitamin B12 0.23 mg/kg
Vitamin B6 4.423 mg/kg
Niacin: 52.4 mg/kg
Iodine: 3.99 mg/kg

Minerals
Sodium: 0.438%
Potassium: 0.818%
Chloride: 0.584%
Magnesium: 0.129%
Sulfur: 0.478%
Manganese: 26.35 mg/kg
Iron: 334.1 mg/kg
Copper: 31.98 mg/kg
Zinc: 289 mg/kg
Selenium: 0.763 mg/kg

Amino Acids
Methionine-Cystine: 1.752%
Methionine: 1.238%
Cystine: 0.515%
Lysine: 2.168%
Tryptophan: 0.541%
Threonine: 2.453%
Isoleucine: 2.098%
Histidine: 1.201%
Valine: 2.385%
Leucine: 4.135%
Arginine: 3.02%
Phenylalanine-Tyrosine: 2.202%
Taurine: 0.203%
post #8 of 12
So, if I am seeing correctly (I have some red color blindness) then you discern that Raw Instict has too much of certain things, like fiber?

I'm not seeing enough of a difference to be able to tell which colors are which - they all look the same to me, just not black...
post #9 of 12
Thread Starter 
Calcium phos and mag are red the others green fiber is good about 3%
post #10 of 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by sharky View Post
Calcium phos and mag are red the others green fiber is good about 3%
Thanks - just so I understand this, those aren't bad levels in general, but if you have a UTI prone cat, then these three would be considered too high, is that correct?

Here's another question, anyone that knows can answer: my three are all 2 years old or younger. If a cat is prone to UTIs, at what age would you start seeing problems?

I know that with Ferris I have to keep an eye on him for crystals, as he is a fish eater and is a boy and therefore has a more narrow urethra. I chose Raw Instinct due to the grain-free and the probiotics in it, and because Ginger LOVED it, I kept buying it. I love the high protein content, and feel that Penny will benefit from it as well.

Just wondering if that same food could eventually become a problem for Ferris.
post #11 of 12
Thread Starter 
IMHO they are WAY to high.. for UTI health in healthy not prone cats I try to keep Ca+ to 1.0% and Phos to the same ... mag to .09... Kandie didnt have a UTI till she turned 16 ish ... so it can happen at any time... Just be watchful

Ps what colors would be easier for you to see???
post #12 of 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by sharky View Post
IMHO they are WAY to high.. for UTI health in healthy not prone cats I try to keep Ca+ to 1.0% and Phos to the same ... mag to .09... Kandie didnt have a UTI till she turned 16 ish ... so it can happen at any time... Just be watchful

Ps what colors would be easier for you to see???
Well, since I blend the Raw Instinct with Serengeti and Royal Canin, I guess they are only getting about 40% of Raw Instinct in total, so hopefully the total is balanced enough that there should be no issues at all.

I can see bold really well, lol, and blue...the red/green/yellow all appear to be pretty close to each other - just pale and hard to read.

I use the "Green Eyes" skin, which is easiest on my eyes, so it might be a skins issue as well.
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