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post #31 of 48
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Holding up two automatic weapons and screaming obscenities about people, including suggesting they should do sexual acts for you/the guns isn't violent?

Anyway, I did like Ted Nugent until recently, when I found out about stuff like this and the NRA meeting, etc.

What exactly was it meant like? The same as Ozzy Osbourne biting the heads off bats? It's a similar level or ridiculous do-anything-for-a-reaction, if that's all it was. I don't think so.

Expressing violence (as I've said, I don't think it was an actual death threat, but vitriolic and violent nonetheless) is not and should not be an acceptable way to voice your politics, even moreso in a venue like that.

Anyway, Neil Young saying 'kiss my ' is comparable I suppose, but all things political lie on a continuum and they aren't in the same spot.
post #32 of 48
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
the bottom line is now that someone is coming out and saying over the top radical stuff about liberals, Some people just dont like it.
I've already said I would feel the same way if he were telling Bush to suck on his machine gun. Sorry, but I don't feel violence is ever warranted except for maybe a defensive war.

Seeing as how I'm the only one who has said anything negative about his actions, I'll have to assume you are talking about me and invite you to actually read the thread.
post #33 of 48
and how many times, even here on teh cat site,
have someone said,, I cant wait for bush to die, or cheny to drop dead from a massive heart attack? lots. Along with some other famous people and there many statments.

We have the same choice, dont listen to him, dont buy his music(does anyone even pay attention to his music anymore), hmm i dont know if he is still doing his radio show or not.

lol by the way i know what your saying, but i did not take ted rant that way.
post #34 of 48
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and how many times, even here on teh cat site,
have someone said,, I cant wait for bush to die, or cheny to drop dead from a massive heart attack? lots. Along with some other famous people and there many statments.

We have the same choice, dont listen to him, dont buy his music(does anyone even pay attention to his music anymore), hmm i dont know if he is still doing his radio show or not.

lol by the way i know what your saying, but i did not take ted rant that way.
That's true... I have to say my sentiment was in starting this thread that this guy was completely out of line (as I would feel about someone on my side acting this way) and I never in a million years imagined he would be defended for this.

I suppose it's just a pipe dream to imagine that politics could ever be civil.
post #35 of 48
Just as a point of semantics/logistics, I am pretty sure they weren't "automatic" weapons, because as far as I know Ted doesn't have a license to own them. They looked like AK-47s to me from the grainy video, which are semi-automatics (and not very accurate).

Julie, I think the Ted's rhetoric was clouded by the fact that he was holding guns in your eyes. They were just a prop to him, I'm sure they were unloaded if even real working firearms. Maybe I'm around them so much that I didn't see just holding up firearms as promoting violence, but since you're not and because of your background with them you do. I also know good and well what Ted's stance on firearms is, and how he uses them - which is NOT in any way against another person unless in self-defense.
post #36 of 48
IMO, holding UP a weapon and POINTING IT at someone are two completely different things. If Nugent had AIMED the guns at someone, I would consider that a threat = violence.

But holding a weapon up in the air does not equal violence to me. Intent and context are important to keep in mind.

The answer to:
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about how this sort of thing is okay
is simply this: FREE SPEECH makes it okay.

And you have the right to be offended. And you have the right and the ability to pay attention to something else.

Why burn energy getting all offended and "up in arms" - hey, wait, how appropos!

Nevermind, you have the right to continue to expend your energy on this if you so wish. Enjoy your frustration at the amount of support that the others are giving to a man publicly exercising his right to Free Speech. Because HE is offended about something important to him.

It's all circular...

I'll be over here in the corner....listening to "Cat Scratch Fever."
post #37 of 48
I too have heard, read and seen some pretty low and disguesting comments about Bush and his admin.
post #38 of 48
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Originally Posted by lookingglass View Post
Ahhhh.... I love the Nuge. He's good for a crazy "What the HECK was that?!" moment.

He's actually very intelligent if you get him on a one on one level. If you get him in front of a crowd he turns into a large five year old that sets things on fire.
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Originally Posted by GingersMom View Post
If you are a Nugent fan, you understand him well enough to know what to expect from him.

It has to do with CONTEXT.


What we're debating here is our amendment of "Freedom of Speech"
W/o that, I think the USA would have LOTS of issues!
Matter of fact, all of us at TCS would be in a TON of trouble.
We speak our minds freely on different subjects and agree to disagree on many of them.
I think what he did was him just speaking his mind. If he had said the same thing standing behind a podium, wearing a suit and tie would anyone be upset? Probably not. It's the way he did it which is....well.... The Nugent Way!
post #39 of 48
Personally, I don't think what the Dixie Chicks said about Bush even comes close to him saying for H. Clinton or Barak Obama to bite his gun. I realize he didn't MEAN that they should die, but I'm not so sure some radical fan might not think he meant to kill them. The Dixie Chick just said she was ashamed to Bush was from her home state Texas. I would be too, if I were from Texas. Goodness, he's made me almost ashamed to be an American. However, I would never joke about killing him. I don't wish death on him. I might wish he and Cheney were kicked out of office, but I don't want them to die. As long as they're breathing, they have a chance to see the "LIGHT'.

By the way, I saw Ted Nugent in concert, not because I wanted to see HIM, but because he was an opening act for Kiss. I will say, I enjoyed and got a big kick out of his show, but he is a crazy man. My favourite part was when he put on a tail and started prancing around the stage like a horse. He said some political stuff which I felt was out of place for a Kiss concert, but I wasn't offended, although my friend who was with me was. My friend who is Mexican American, didn't like it when Ted Nugent said, "If you can't speak English, GET OUT" Of course my friend speaks perfect English, it's his native tongue, and he has no accent at all, but he WAS offended by what the Nuge had to say. I do think Nugent should have left out the Political statements at those shows where he was opening for Kiss, and totally non political band.

ETA: Most people who bad mouth Bush, already KNOW what kind of a President he is, and are upset about what he's done to this country. No one knows what Hillary or Barak will be like as Presidents, so it's a bit early to start badmouthing them.
post #40 of 48
Seems to me sometimes when people say truly offensive things the first thing other people do is jump up and down about freedom of speech. What about plain good manners and decency?
post #41 of 48
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ETA: Most people who bad mouth Bush, already KNOW what kind of a President he is, and are upset about what he's done to this country. No one knows what Hillary or Barak will be like as Presidents, so it's a bit early to start badmouthing them.
No, we don't know what they would be like as President, but we do know for sure what their stance is on gun control. Their voting records and rhetoric is very clear on that.

As for good manners and decency? I actually don't think it's good manners for any celebrity to get up on a stage and rant and rave about their politics, but it is their right to do so. Yes, that actually does include Ted even though I do agree with him on the gun control issue. I also don't think it's anywhere near decent to make a movie about assassinating a current, sitting president, but it was done.

What about tolerance and respect? I remember all too clearly being RAILED on for being upset with what the Dixie Chicks and Linda Ronstadt said, and even for saying that radio stations had every right to stop playing their music.
post #42 of 48
I personally don't know what Linda Ronstadt said, but I do know she's a staunch Democrat. IMO, I hate it when performers get up on stage and talk Politics, especially when we're there to be entertained, and that goes for Barbra Striesand as well as anyone else.

I think they have every right to support what ever candidate and political party they choose to, but when they spew their politics at a music or rock concert, I think it's very rude and thoughtless of them. People pay to listen to music and to get away from the realities of life for a few hours. Most people who are going to a show, just want to have fun. If Ted, Barbra or the Dixie Chicks want to spew their politics, they should pay to put an ad on TV and say whatever they want. However, it's very inconsiderate of them to talk their politics when I've paid good money to be entertained.
post #43 of 48
What's even worse is when you got people like Susan Sarandon who gets upset because she told not to do that at something like the Oscars. Atleast the others you mentioned (Ted, Linda and Dixie Chicks) did it at their own concert. I really hate when someone wants to use someone elses platform. The sponsers of the Oscars didn't produce the program so that you can spew your politics.
post #44 of 48
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What about tolerance and respect? I remember all too clearly being RAILED on for being upset with what the Dixie Chicks and Linda Ronstadt said, and even for saying that radio stations had every right to stop playing their music.
Well, exactly. Why were you upset at the Dixie Chicks and not Nugent? Could it be because their politics differs to yours? It's easier to find excuses for those with whom we essentially agree.
post #45 of 48
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
Seems to me sometimes when people say truly offensive things the first thing other people do is jump up and down about freedom of speech. What about plain good manners and decency?
err, performers? you know, tv, movie people?,what passes for hero;s now..
they are not knowen for there manners , decency, morals etc. any wayTeds been involed with politics, for some time now.

The world was much place before started letting them hang out with the normal people.

Any way someone of the same people that are saying it was wrong for Ted to say these thing are the same people who said freedom of speech for the Anti bush stuff. lol they just dont like it,when some one says some crazy stuff on the far right. But that is there way, of doing things, we can bash the presdent, we can make movies of killing him, But when someone from the other side says stuff,they get worked up. lol i find them amusing to say the least.

However i would like to say we do already know what type of presdent hilary or Barak will be, socialist, border line communist, they done everything but state it in there speechs and in there voting, They are scary people.
post #46 of 48
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However i would like to say we do already know what type of presdent hilary or Barak will be, socialist, border line communist, they done everything but state it in there speechs and in there voting, They are scary people.
Nothing can be scarier than what we've been subjected to in the past 2 Presidential terms.

Anyway, I'm not saying Nugent or even Barbra, the Dixie Chicks or Linda Ronstadt don't have a right to what they want to say, or their political belief's. I just feel they need to pay for their agenda by taking out Political ads either on TV or in the newspaper, not force me as someone who pays to go hear them perform, to listen to their political stance. Musically speaking, I am more likely to see Ted Nugent than the others, because I'm a rock fan, but even though I'm more Liberal, I wouldn't want to pay my hard earned money to see Barbra Streisand perform and have her start talking Politics either. I go to a concert to be entertained, to rock out, and get away from all of the miserable stuff that is going on in the world, if only for a few hours.
post #47 of 48
The Dixie Chicks did something one step further. They bad talked the President, during a time of war, in another country. That last part is the thing that really sank the boat. And they have (or I guess had) a fan base that is pretty conservative. It was a bit on the naive and just plan stupid side for them not to know they would piss off the people who support them. And yes, you have the right to throw out all your Nugent albums (or CD's) and never go to one of his concerts again. Just like the Dixie Chicks fans had every right to do the same thing.
post #48 of 48
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Originally Posted by HopeHacker View Post
Nothing can be scarier than what we've been subjected to in the past 2 Presidential terms.

Anyway, I'm not saying Nugent or even Barbra, the Dixie Chicks or Linda Ronstadt don't have a right to what they want to say, or their political belief's. I just feel they need to pay for their agenda by taking out Political ads either on TV or in the newspaper, not force me as someone who pays to go hear them perform, to listen to their political stance. Musically speaking, I am more likely to see Ted Nugent than the others, because I'm a rock fan, but even though I'm more Liberal, I wouldn't want to pay my hard earned money to see Barbra Streisand perform and have her start talking Politics either. I go to a concert to be entertained, to rock out, and get away from all of the miserable stuff that is going on in the world, if only for a few hours.
Oh your very wrong, about it it cant be worse. If you listen to whats being said, it will get far worse. At least from those 2. if hilary gets the tax rate she wants, i will lose my house. I for one, am at my limit in what i can afford with what i pay in taxes. THe tax increase is going to hit whats left ofthe middle class, which they seem to think are rich people.

i do agree, during the days i went to shows, i go to be entertained, not to hear there views. I normaly will change the channels when some music, movie star comes on and starte talking the views.
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