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post #31 of 58
Then, oh-so-surprising coming from... anyone on tv. Sorry, confusing antecendent to that 'they'.
post #32 of 58
If they don't ban him from the NFL I think they should give a player like Joey Porter one clear shot at him.
Joey used to play for the Steelers and if he gets riled up enough he has a bit of a mean streak and could take Vicks head off with one shot.
I'd pay good money to see that
post #33 of 58
Not to get off topic but I can't watch ESPN, too much hype and sensationalism and not enough substance.

Back to the topic at hand:
It's hard to say what Goodell will do. I have a difficult time reading the man when trying to guage what he will do in regards to discipline in general. Odell Thurman, a linebacker for the Bengals, was suspended for a second straight year without any explanation whatsoever but Joey Porter, a Miami Dolphins player, who assaulted another player off of the field only received a fine. In light that Vick has continuosly lied to the commisioner about his involvement in what went on then I retract my statement about doubting that he won't be banned.
post #34 of 58
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Originally Posted by Essayons89 View Post
Joey Porter, a Miami Dolphins player, who assaulted another player off of the field only received a fine.
I hadn't heard this about Joey...I'll have to ask Hubby if he did.
Frankly it doesn't surprise me.
I told you guys Joey had a mean streak!
post #35 of 58
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Originally Posted by Graciecat View Post
If they don't ban him from the NFL I think they should give a player like Joey Porter one clear shot at him.
Joey used to play for the Steelers and if he gets riled up enough he has a bit of a mean streak and could take Vicks head off with one shot.
I'd pay good money to see that

I know, that if i was a player on the other team, i would be dooling at the chance to get at him.

even if it cost me the rest of the year.
post #36 of 58
Michael Vick is a pure liar, and nothing else. He was oh so determined to `clear his name' until his buddies turned on him, and now he's oh so sorry, seeing the error of his ways, wants to `rebuild his life'. What a disgusting pig. Honestly, the words I want to say would get me banned from this site for life - speaking of which, I would put good money on it that there is no way Vick will be banned from the NFL for life for this. No way, he'll be back and all this will be forgotten in a matter of years - even if he does go to prison.

My only hope now is that he doesn't regress, that his business doesn't go even more underground so they're harder to catch (because believe me this is not an end to what he has set up in dog fighting - even if he lays low for a while), and that the judge, who seems to be as outraged as everyone else, puts him in prison for a LOT longer than 18 months.

But I doubt it will happen that way - he'll end up just getting a token punishment, a fine that he won't even notice, and his career back in no time, I'm sure. It makes me sick to my stomach. I'd like to get my hands on him myself, I really would, and I'm not into violence. I tell ya, I'd get into it pretty quick if he was within my reach.
post #37 of 58
Ok i just had this conversation with a couple of the guards here.
i was told,,

You white people jsut dont understand, us black people hate dogs, comes form when you chased us as slaves. we just getting some pay back. its a black thing.

so i would say in some circles the racial thing may be starting to be played.
post #38 of 58
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
Ok i just had this conversation with a couple of the guards here.
i was told,,

You white people jsut dont understand, us black people hate dogs, comes form when you chased us as slaves. we just getting some pay back. its a black thing.

so i would say in some circles the racial thing may be starting to be played.
Think they may have been yanking your chain. I have never heard of such a thing, Black or otherwise.
post #39 of 58
http://www.atlantafalcons.com/News/A...hael_Vick.aspx


I have a feeling that the Falcons want nothing more to do with him and would have already cut him. Even if he doesn't get a lifetime ban, I know he'll never be a Falcon again. The Falcons call Goodell and asks him what they can do when there's any kind of news. Each time Goodell has told them not to take any action. Teams have cut players for much less. They will also probably ask for at least part of his signing bonus back (a team has to pay signing bonus for up to two years depending on how long the player still had in their contract). Vick is no longer listed on their Roster or depth chart or anywhere else on their site except for their statement. So, the question is "What team would actually pick him up?"
post #40 of 58
From what I understand, if Vick is banned from the NFL it won't be because of the dog fighting charges. It would be because of the gambling that took place on his property.
post #41 of 58
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
Ok i just had this conversation with a couple of the guards here.
i was told,,

You white people jsut dont understand, us black people hate dogs, comes form when you chased us as slaves. we just getting some pay back. its a black thing.

so i would say in some circles the racial thing may be starting to be played.
I've heard this ridiculous notion and it doesn't wash. I know LOTS of black people, who own and love their dogs.

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Originally Posted by lookingglass View Post
From what I understand, if Vick is banned from the NFL it won't be because of the dog fighting charges. It would be because of the gambling that took place on his property.
From what I've heard, on the news, the gambling is an automatic LIFETIME ban.

Maybe Vick and O.J. Simpson can partner up and look for the "real killers" on those Florida golf courses.
post #42 of 58
It's not all hype about the race card, though I sure wish it was.

http://www.cbs46.com/news/13938060/detail.html
post #43 of 58
Anytime a black person is on trial this publicly (or doing anything else publicly, just look at Barack Obama) their race comes into play, that's true of any minority. I can't imagine why anybody would think he's innocent after he's plead guilty, that's sort of... ridiculous. It probably has more to do with frustration with the justice system in general, which is certainly valid.

But that doesn't prove that there will be any violence or rioting or other backlash, really that article says most people feel betrayed after they supported him and he claimed his innocence. Unlike, say, the riots in Cinci a few years ago after cops shot a black teenager for-- supposedly-- no reason.

I don't get why his race matters anyway, he'd be a grade-A if he were rainbow striped. *sigh*
post #44 of 58
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
Ok i just had this conversation with a couple of the guards here.
i was told,,

You white people jsut dont understand, us black people hate dogs, comes form when you chased us as slaves. we just getting some pay back. its a black thing.
.
This is not true at all.

However, if it were, there is a HUGE difference between standing by and hating something (if he hated them so much he would probably not have wanted anything to do with dogs) verses killing and fighting and actively taking a part with the dogs.
That is taking it way too far and shows a disgusting and cruel person.
These are two totally separate things, the emotion of hate and the action of hate (which I don’t think was hate on his part, but hate or not it was just a soulless person enjoying watching life be destroyed in front of him -hopefully now his own will be destroyed-). He sickens me, just disgusts me and I hope he gets jail time and never gets to play sports again for money. Lots of people don't "like" and some indivifuals hate dogs, but don't kill or fight them. Seriously, that excuse is very weak. The dogs are innocent, bred for their cruel enjoyment to die and fight and live horrible lives, now that is slavery. Geez.
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so i would say in some circles the racial thing may be starting to be played.
Of course race will be played. However, that is nothing new in the American justice system with high profile cases.
post #45 of 58
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I don't get why his race matters anyway, he'd be a grade-A if he were rainbow striped. *sigh*
I totally agree with that. Not to totally hijack this thread, but I do get tired of being told that we (whites) are supposed to be color blind (that's a good thing) but the minorities are the ones playing the race card when one of their own does something horrible. How are we making progress in being color blind when someone like Vick's race is brought up by those of the same race?
post #46 of 58
I am frankly tired of the race card being pulled anytime something comes up of any non-white. Al Sharpton has kept his mouth shut regarding Vick. He has been an advocate against animal abuse for a long time. He said before Vick plead guilty to just simply let him have his day in court. Most of us would feel the same no matter what race he was. What he did is wrong and illegal. Social perceptions do not over rule law! Many from that community also wonder why someone who has $130 million would be reduced to such acts! I mean he went to college and got a good education. Time to stand up to these supposed role models. They only encourage double standards, not try and create respect for themselves.

Michael Vick will get whats coming to him. It sounds as if the NFL will make a decision regarding his future VERY soon!
post #47 of 58
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It must be driving the Reverend Al Sharpton NUTS to keep quiet about this.
I fear we will see him just spontaneously combust shortly due to the extreme pressure.
post #48 of 58
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It must be driving the Reverend Al Sharpton NUTS to keep quiet about this.
I fear we will see him just spontaneously combust shortly due to the extreme pressure.
We wouldn't be that lucky.
post #49 of 58
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
It must be driving the Reverend Al Sharpton NUTS to keep quiet about this.
I fear we will see him just spontaneously combust shortly due to the extreme pressure.

He's keeping his mouth shut about it because he would be contadicting himself since he's spoken out against animal cruely. He has actually helped launch a public campaign against dog fighting. He was a majorly against the mistreatment of chickens founded by KFC. When he was asked about Vick when I saw it anyway, it was by Bill O'Reilly and you just know he wouldn't have gotten away with any advoacy on Vick's part. LOL
post #50 of 58
I have never heard that whites are supposed to be color blind. That's not a good thing to be. By seeing no color, we are also not recognizing everything the person is. My nieces, who are of color, will grow up differently than I did because of that fact. Ignoring, or being blind to that difference, would be denying their experiences.

What I find most interesting, and I really should have waited to say anything, is how we can all come together in defense of the abused animals. Yet the mere mention of "race" begins to separate us. Just like the powers-that-be intended a couple hundred years ago.

Just because one person, or even a group of people, believes one thing does not mean all people we place into a group believe it. Are all animal lovers the same as PETA? What about christian religions - are they all the same?

Please think before making collective statements such as "Blacks feel this way" or "African-Americans feel that way". To me, that's like saying "All men are like this" or "All women are that way".

Thanks
post #51 of 58
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
Anytime a black person is on trial this publicly (or doing anything else publicly, just look at Barack Obama) their race comes into play, that's true of any minority. I can't imagine why anybody would think he's innocent after he's plead guilty, that's sort of... ridiculous. It probably has more to do with frustration with the justice system in general, which is certainly valid.

But that doesn't prove that there will be any violence or rioting or other backlash, really that article says most people feel betrayed after they supported him and he claimed his innocence. Unlike, say, the riots in Cinci a few years ago after cops shot a black teenager for-- supposedly-- no reason.

I don't get why his race matters anyway, he'd be a grade-A if he were rainbow striped. *sigh*
Yep, I feel the same way, I don't care what color he is, I don't care nothing about that. He is a scumbag. And he is a liar.
post #52 of 58
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
Anytime a black person is on trial this publicly (or doing anything else publicly, just look at Barack Obama) their race comes into play,
Yep, cause some people have just been condention to scream it, no matter what, how there is always, be those that feel to disagree with that , would make them a racist. Its all a gulit trip. that some people keep falling for.

The some rules apply if you white, black, yellow, purple. So far i have not seen vick say anything along these lines. People should expect to be treated the same, but that is not really what they want. They are looking for a advantage.

Hey playing the race card got OJ off.
post #53 of 58
Well, on my gut level I agree 100% -- and as far as the whole thing being forgotten is concerned, WE WON'T FORGET, will we?
post #54 of 58
I have to say that I don't think I can watch or hear much more about this. I am a little depressed at the moment to begin with, and last night I read up all the latest on this and then I started looking at pit bull websites and dog fighting websites (exposing dog fighting, I should say) and just saw all these awful photos and read the most heartbreaking stories. Three photos in particular have stuck in my mind and I know they'll be with me forever.

Max came in from work and found me sobbing on the lounge, we were supposed to be going out and I couldn't stop crying. I had a sleepless night and I can't get those images out of my head. I got up so miserable this morning and it's all I can do to concentrate on work. It's so sickening, so horrifying, the cruelty, the violence, the abuse, the neglect - and so deliberate, and that's what I can't cope with. People banding together and planning out the cruellest and most vicious way to treat a dog that they can imagine. I can't understand it, I can't bear that it goes on and on and on and we'll never be able to stop it.

All I hope is that this trial will awaken more people to the horror of dog fighting, and that hopefully given that new legislation has already been passed, it will soon become a crime that attracts a hefty prison sentence, massive fines and widespread media coverage
post #55 of 58
I empathize, and I hear ya -- but if you can, try to remember that this IS how people get educated, how better laws get enacted, and how horrible crimes like this get more and more unpopular. The media and some twisted people have made it "cool" among some people to do this. We have to make it "uncool", and the only way we can do that is by banding together and being vocal and getting the message out there. If there is any way to memorialize the ones who didn't make it, and pay tribute to them, this is the way.

As an activist who's dealt with this and far worse for a long, long time, I know from experience how depressing it all is. But we must not give up. In places where there have been no animal activists or protection societies, they are growing in numbers. Laws ARE being passed that protect those we love. Yes, it's little, and it's late -- but it's something, and we are not going to sit in apathy or profound depression and let it continue unabated.

Keep your head up. Feeling what you are feeling is a GOOD thing. Compassionate people SHOULD feel this way about these atrocities.
post #56 of 58
Wow - thanks I really did need to hear that.
post #57 of 58
We're all they have. Our voices and our actions go to defend those who have no voice in this society,or in most.
post #58 of 58
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Originally Posted by LSULOVER View Post
Yep, I feel the same way, I don't care what color he is, I don't care nothing about that. He is a scumbag. And he is a liar.


Well said. I'm of the same opinion.
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