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post #31 of 40
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Originally Posted by sharky View Post

As one making raw and cooked food for my animals ... I have :censored: of a time making it balenced and only thru my vet s help is it simplier... the books are great guides BUT I have FOUND many flaws in them ... like the "pet cookbooks" where the recipe called for two cups of MILK...
I work with my vet too I also use books as guides, not the ultimate and only source of my information
post #32 of 40
Healthy dog one minute and liver damage the next...


http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0...recalls63.html

I could see one pet - but all three?

Yes, so many people are pulled in by those commercials...I think the general public is getting smarter, I hope.
post #33 of 40
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Originally Posted by ddcats View Post
Healthy dog one minute and liver damage the next...


http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0...recalls63.html

I could see one pet - but all three?

Yes, so many people are pulled in by those commercials...I think the general public is getting smarter, I hope.
HUMM...

Hard to think it didnt play a role or was it the water?? or a bug..

Or like in my case the likely culprit was a commonly given prevenative that caused cushings like symtoms SIX YRS LATER ... I am dealing with liver issues in my pup from something I THOUGHT was helping her ...PM if you want more info ...

Nope I deal with animals on the weekend the folks arent getting smarter but they are getting more willing to listen and then think
post #34 of 40
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Originally Posted by valanhb View Post
Rocket science? No. But since my father is a (now retired) animal health and nutrition specialist who worked primarily with formulating diets for livestock and exotic livestock, I can attest that it most definitely IS a science. And it is a science that they are continuing to make advancements on as they understand the nutritional needs of animals in varying locations and situations - just as they are continuing to progress the nutritional science in humans.
Lol, yea. You need a masters and tons of O-Chem to be a real dietitian (once again, nutritionists can be anybody and are unlicensed) and still have to keep taking tests and classes your whole career. The interaction of medications and different vitamins and foods with your body is astounding.

The thing is, with animals it's even more important. People can tell you when they're sick, animals can't. I really think a lot of our pets are sick their whole lives from crappy food but they can't tell us If only there was a Morgan Spurlock dog.
post #35 of 40
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Originally Posted by JuJubee View Post
I think it's a joke! What animals need fruits and vegetables in their diet?
Er, all herbivores, for a start. And all omnivores, including humans. Obligate carnivores such as cats can do without, but dogs certainly need fruits and vegetables in their diet. In the wild, wolves and dogs eat up to 35% of their total diet in fruits, vegetables and grains.
post #36 of 40
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
You need a masters and tons of O-Chem to be a real dietitian (once again, nutritionists can be anybody and are unlicensed) and still have to keep taking tests and classes your whole career.
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You don’t see people getting masters degrees to feed their children or their families. What about before there were masters degree’s available? How did we humans manage to feed ourselves and our animals? That is a rhetorical question.

I do think those in the health care professional field that make a career out of assisting other humans with specific diets in hospitals should have rigorous and complete training in order to treat patients. But I still don't think it as near as hard to feed ourselves or our pets as some would like the masses to believe.

Actually, the health rate in the US has seen much better days; the average life expectancy of Americans today is slipping as was recently published. It isn't for lack of dieticians, masters degree's, doctor's, nurses, reading materials, or nutritionists either.
American typical nutrition and health are not working at present, even with all of our knowledge; our lifespan keeps declining despite all our diets and health care professionals.

Nutrition is such a huge topic; and I will agree 100% that no one really knows for sure what is what, studies have been done, yes, yet professionals vary greatly in opinion, as you have already stated. One doctor and/or nutritionist can say one thing and have some research to back it up; another can say another thing and support their claim in some way or form as well.

People all around the world eat different diets, some with more health and longevity than others (which is the real goal for food and a proper diet, long healthy lives) for instance, Japan and Italy.

Personally, common sense appeals to me most, natural foods like veggies, whole grains, and fresh fruit are probably better than eating man made plastic, refined, trans fatty acids, genetically altered, and fried foods. As an athlete, I actually felt better when I ate leaner whole foods and didn’t consume soda. I could tell a huge difference.

Same approach IMO for dogs and cats. Just a common sense guess on my part aided by study of the printed text and observation in my own animals over the years. Common sense and a look at nature and history provides me with enough information to make my decision to feed better foods and work with vets that stay up to date on animal nutrition, instead of mindlessly recommending a food they get perks on when they sell. My vet recommends the higher quality foods. My vet helped teached me about animal health and holistic approaches for some cases.

At present the food industry is not regulated, as we recently found out for certain in the recalls. http://www.littlebigcat.com/index.ph...foodregulation
Regulation is often voluntary and industry based.
I know a dog that died in that recall, was confirmed by the vet after death. There were also hundreds more...
post #37 of 40
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I think it IS getting better for grocery store brands but much...MUCH too slowly. Humans are such moral ceatures nowadays that they often put their values and what "they think is good" onto a being that is TOTALLY different in diet. So in a sense even the hoslistic brands may have plants and things in them that COULD be harmful to a dg or cat but not to us, but even so they probably are not nearly as bad as whats in MOST pet food.

IMO I think $ and the lust ( the pet food corps have to put it in their pockets and the things they do for this extra $) isnt really what you call being or thinking like a modern 'Human' ( not the $ counting,budgeting, managing itself that VERY advanced forerain work, its the greed and desire to cheat, sceme or steal it from others or hide the real truth from the consumers eyes) Love, compassion, repect, happniess in what you have already, and the ablty to listion and inspire others to listion and love are what in my eyes make a mordern human

There was a time long ago whe humans had no morals whatsoever. The older and wiser I get the more I see that humans attutude about $ when it comes to making things that are vital for pets, humans,ect is the revert link betwen the now and that past. $ can sometmes get in the way of common sense.


I think pet food has come a LONG way and will continue to do so.
post #38 of 40
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Originally Posted by Panther pride View Post
I think it IS getting better for grocery store brands but much...MUCH too slowly..
On one hand the grocery store brands are slowly waking up and coming out with "healthier" lines of bagged cereal product, but the ingredients are pretty much the same. I am at least happy to see the small change; I hope that signifies more positive change in the industry in the future.
post #39 of 40
Commericals don't really bother me. I don't know anyone who picked their food from a commercial. Everyone I know has asked my Mom, who in turn asks me.

Like sharky I've been reading labels since I was a teenager picking FF for our housecats and dry food for the barn cats. Back then I just knew to look for named meat as the first few ingredients.

My current crew just seem to prefer the junkier canned but I still think FF and Friskies are step up from 9 Lives and Whiskas ingredients-wise. They eat good quality dry though.
post #40 of 40
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Originally Posted by Panther pride View Post
Like Fancy feast/ purnia/ Imas/ When you see the TV commercials what do you want to do to the tv,, you know they lie. You know alot of the stuff in there is bad for them. But sadly some of you may have to buy them due to $ and convenince


Explain your feelings and what you would want to be changed about this Industery.
I don't see how pet food commercials are any different than other commercials. It's the advertising industry's job to try to fool us and it's our job to research products and make the right choice for our families. I take the ads with a grain of salt and admire the cats acting in them.
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