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post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
Well.... they're just a year away now.
What do you think? Will you watch?

Do you think human rights should come into play when choosing a venue for the Olympic games?

Personally, I will not be watching these Olympics. In fact, I might very well find ways of protesting the games.
The Chinese government's human rights record is horrible (and not getting better with the games coming) and its continued occupation of Tibet is completely unjustified and an affront to the independence of Tibetan people.

My only hope is that the Olympics will bring attention to these issues. Unfortunately, the media will most likely treat this issue as a footnote to the more "important" story of sport and pointless patriotism.
post #2 of 19
I don't think that the Olympics should be politicized, as when Jimmy Carter prohibited the US from participating, in the 1980 Moscow Olympics. (For the younger members, this was in protest of the Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan). The only thing that this did, was deny a number of young athletes their one and only chance, to compete in the Olympics.
post #3 of 19
I am furious about this. I cannot believe that China was awarded the Olympic Games after their human rights and animal rights abuses over the centuries. I agree with Kate that the Games themselves should probably not be politicised, but I also feel that a reward of this magnitude to a country with an appalling history should not be granted.

As to whether or not I will watch, well, it's a bit tough on the athletes if nobody watches, but it really does conflict with my moral standpoint on this. That's a hard one.
post #4 of 19
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
I am furious about this. I cannot believe that China was awarded the Olympic Games after their human rights and animal rights abuses over the centuries. I agree with Kate that the Games themselves should probably not be politicised, but I also feel that a reward of this magnitude to a country with an appalling history should not be granted.

As to whether or not I will watch, well, it's a bit tough on the athletes if nobody watches, but it really does conflict with my moral standpoint on this. That's a hard one.
I have never been in such VEHEMENT agreement with you on ANYTHING, as this subject. I don't even want to get started.
It makes me vomit.
post #5 of 19
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Originally Posted by katl8e View Post
I don't think that the Olympics should be politicized, as when Jimmy Carter prohibited the US from participating, in the 1980 Moscow Olympics. (For the younger members, this was in protest of the Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan). The only thing that this did, was deny a number of young athletes their one and only chance, to compete in the Olympics.
that is about the best answer.
if you really want to protest china, then dont buy there goods.
post #6 of 19
I might watch, but who knows where i will be in a year. All i can say is, what a waste of energy and fireworks!! It's still a year away!! Celebrate then, not now. I know i know, it's the biggest thing to happen to them in ages
post #7 of 19
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
that is about the best answer.
if you really want to protest china, then dont buy there goods.
That is SO true, Bruce. It does make it a little tough when just about everything I buy is made there

But you're right. I don't think you can stand up against a country's history morally and then keep continuing to take advantage of the products they supply you with.

I don't eat meat, I don't wear animal products, I don't use products that are tested on animals, I try to be environmentally friendly, I only drink fair trade coffee and buy fair trade rice and other staples, and yet I do continue to buy things that are made in China. I have to stop - Max and I have been saying that for a long time, now.
post #8 of 19
I have yet to see a product (except food and some electronics) that doesn't have the "made in china" sticker on it. So much is made in China because its so cheap. Does anybody know any brands that don't make stuff in China?

And I agree, its horrible that China has the Games.
post #9 of 19
Just caught this link on another site:

http://www.wsoctv.com/sports/13859489/detail.html
post #10 of 19
I see clothes that say, "Made in India", "Made in Bangladesh", etc.

Come on people, be honest, We buy Chinese products because they are CHEAP and we WANT cheap. We buy these products knowing full well their human rights abuses and the child labor horrors and their despicable treatment of animals.

It is all of our faults.
post #11 of 19
This thread amuses me greatly.

The Olympics is the ONE and only thing that transcends boundaries and politics.

Don't like China? Who cares? The Olympics is a celebration of human abilities - enjoy what HUMANS can achieve - forget politics for a couple of weeks why can't you...

To switch off your TV is YOUR choice...

To not buy goods is also YOUR choice - even if it's cheaper. If you choose to switch of your TV just because the Olympics are in China, you can also CHOOSE not to buy cheap goods from China.

So, to me, it's a matter or celebrating human effort and NOT about politics.
post #12 of 19
Human rights abuses on a grand scheme is NOT politics to me.

The Olympics do NOT transcend anything to me.
post #13 of 19
I agree with Adilah, while the human rights violations are terrible, that does not stop them from participating in the Olympics and therefore should not eliminate them from hosting the Games.

While I may not necessarily agree with them getting the Games personally, there is already way too much politics involved in the Olympics to push more into it, and while I buy Chinese products etc, it would be hypocritical of me to not enjoy the games because of where they are hosted

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According to the Olympic Charter, established by Pierre de Coubertin, the goal of the Olympic Movement is to contribute to building a peaceful and better world by educating youth through sport practised without discrimination of any kind and in the Olympic spirit, which requires mutual understanding with a spirit of friendship, solidarity and fair play.
No where does it say that the Olympics should be about politics, it says without discrimination of any kind, and while it could be argued that China has discriminated against the Tibetans etc, no country can say that they don't have something in their past or present that was discrimination, whether it be class hierarchy discrimination, racial or otherwise.
post #14 of 19
in this case i have to agree with those that are not happy with China getting the right to host the Olympics. Granted ,the Olympics are about sportsmanship, etc, but the country that hosts the Games benefits TREMENDOUSLY from the tourism.

Why do i have the feeling that the Chinese people will be the ones to get the short end of the stick when it comes to making these travelers comfortable? I even heard on TV last nmight that to combat the horrible pollution they are closing factories, and if I'm not mistaken that means lost jobs, as well as limiting car traffic, by 1 million cars how the heck is that supposed to work out? I also am sorta confused that if the air quality is so bad, so bad to the point of athletes worrying about it, why WAS China awarded these games?
post #15 of 19
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Originally Posted by Abymummy View Post
This thread amuses me greatly.

The Olympics is the ONE and only thing that transcends boundaries and politics.

Don't like China? Who cares? The Olympics is a celebration of human abilities - enjoy what HUMANS can achieve - forget politics for a couple of weeks why can't you...
Sure, forget politics sometimes - I agree. Forget human rights? Forget humanity itself? Ignore appalling violations of the freedom and safety of humans and animals? Never.

The Olympics is about the celebration of human effort. So it is astonishingly hypocritical on a collossal scale to allow a country that has celebrated nothing but human oppression to be the host for such an event.

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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Human rights abuses on a grand scheme is NOT politics to me.
Well said
post #16 of 19
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
The Olympics is about the celebration of human effort. So it is astonishingly hypocritical on a collossal scale to allow a country that has celebrated nothing but human oppression to be the host for such an event.
would not be hypocritiacl to boycott the celebration of the human effort?
if people wish to not to watch because of where it is, then so be it.

but they may also be missing out on a chanace to learn something of a place they dont know,and have some misplaced ideas. lol from many posts i have noticed there are many of those about asia.

Now the best way to voice your dislike is not to make attempt to deny people who spent there whole life trying to get to olympics,

but to voice your dislike of some of china actions, to your goverment,and to refuse not to by stuff from china, and witht he number of unsafe items from food to tires now showing up here, it would be a good thing to demand your goverment take action to insure safe items.
post #17 of 19
That's why I said in an earlier post, it's a really hard decision for me. It's not the athletes' faults, and they deserve to be watched and celebrated for their effort, sacrifice and expertise. I LOVE the Olympics. But perhaps also, if enough people are as incensed about it as many here seem to be - myself included - then in future the athletes will not have to suffer or be punished because a better decision on the host country will be made in the first place.

And anyone who says the Olympics are not political is kidding themselves. The amount of bribery, corruption and other underhanded activity in the IOC is beyond a joke. China probably bought the Olympics, like many countries before her.
post #18 of 19
Thread Starter 
Ok, I know it might be harsh to boycott the sporting events themselves.

However, based the way the Olympic games are usually presented, we know that the eyes of the world will be on the host country... with lots of reports about its culture, its economy and so on. I am not saying that there is nothing good about China (far from it) but the negative aspects should be highlighted as well.

If protests can bring some shame to the Chinese government by pointing out its appalling human rights record and its occupation of Tibet, I'm all for it.
If it ends up "ruining" a sporting event for the sake of human rights, then so be it. I have nothing against people enjoying sports, but human rights should come first.

Come to think of it, the Olympic games in China COULD be a good thing if there is enough protest around it to bring international attention to human rights in China.
post #19 of 19
In addition to the air quality being bad enough to concern athletes in outdoor events there is also a problem with their food. They use so many hormones in their animals used for meat it could actually be enough to cause positive test results. They are supposed to be growing lifestock specifically for the athletes.
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