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Abyssinian question?

post #1 of 12
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This is kind of an irrelevant question because I never intend to show my cats, and they're always going to just be pets.. but I'm curious!

My Yuna has this little dark stripes on her legs. There really aren't very many, and they're not that visible.. I happen to think they're adorable, a real charm point and they make her even more special and exotic looking! Excuse the lack of correct terminology, but they look like little dark tiger stripes or something along those lines..

What I was wondering is, would something like this be considered a fault, as such, were I ever to show her? As far as the breed goes, does it make her imperfect and pet quality? Or is she SUPPOSED to have these markings?

Like I said, it doesn't really matter at all.. and I LOVE her random stripes. But, I want to learn more about the breeds of my kittens and I'm just curious!

Thanks!
post #2 of 12
Any kind of barrings or tabby markings on the legs are considered Faults or Penalties but does not disqualify the cat. And to most show standards, it would make the cat Pet quality and not breedable.

Oh and, no such thing as an imperfect Abyssinian...Abys are perfect just as they are irrespective of quality!
post #3 of 12
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Hehe, well *I* don't consider her imperfect... I think she's the most perfect little baby in the world!
But I'd heard that tabby markings and such were considered faults and I wondering if, by the perfectionist types, she'd be considered imperfect.

So basically, she could be shown if I wanted but it wouldn't be all that successful most likely! - Not an issue, like I said but, I'm curious.

You see, way in the future I'd love to breed cats. When I'm much more stable and have the time and energy and of course KNOWLEDGE to do such a thing. So, I want to learn as much as I can about the breeds I own early on.

Of course, my Shinya (Russian Blue) and Yuna (Abyssinian) will be sprayed when they're a little older so it REALLY doesn't matter whether they're breeding quality or not.. but it's helpful for learning!

And like I said, I LOVE Yuna's little markings.. I think they make her so much more unique! I've only had her for a few days now but, it's true what they say.. Abys are crazy little things!!!
post #4 of 12
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Originally Posted by die_to_xxx View Post
You see, way in the future I'd love to breed cats. When I'm much more stable and have the time and energy and of course KNOWLEDGE to do such a thing. So, I want to learn as much as I can about the breeds I own early on.
A good way to learn is getting a good quality show neuter. You get to learn all about the breed by listening to the judges and talking with other breeders.
post #5 of 12
04-05(L). JAPAN, OSAKA: Abeno Apollo Hall, 1-5-31 Abenosuji, Abeno-ku. Nishi Nihon Cat Club. 6AB, 2Spec. Judges: Hayata(AB), Maeda(AB), Imai(AB), Arai(AB), Akiyama(AB), Shimada(AB), Sada(LH/SH), Satoh(LH/SH). Entry limit 160.

FYI - all my show Abys have been judged by all the judges above except for Imai-san and Akiyama-san. Japan has some very wonderful Abyssinian breeders - indeed my foundation cats (Stevie and Reecie) came from Japan! This show is being held by Wakako Nagayama's Cat Club - there is a picture of her with me in my thread titled "this little girl".

Hayata san gave my very first "Best Kitten", Maeda san made Bulan 4th Best cat recently in Bangkok.

You can't go wrong when breeding Abyssinians in Japan. If you can, find a show that is judged by the Takano's. They are Japan's premier Aby breeders and very very helpful indeed!

In Diego's case recently about papers, it was Nagayama san that resolved some of his issues!
post #6 of 12
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Ooh, thankyou!

I'll have to go and take a look at a show I think.. get a really good feel for show quality breeds because I'm convinced that the cats sold in pet stores here are pedigree BUT not show quality... doesn't make them any less beautiful, it just means that if I were to breed one day, I'd have to be aware that a higher standard would be necessary.

I wonder if there are any shows in Tokyo (osaka is a pain to do on a day trip unless you can afford the shinkansen! )
post #7 of 12
There's a Tokyo based show in September...

08-09(L). JAPAN, TOKYO: Otaku Sangyo Plaza PIO 1-20-20 Minamikamata Ohta-ku. Happy Island Cat Club. (Additional sponsor: Liberty Cat Club Gunma). 7AB, 1Spec.

BUT, I believe the biggest CFA Japan cat show is usually held in December...

Anyhoo, here's the link - you can work out which shows to attend...

http://www.cfa.org/exhibitors/show-schedule.html
post #8 of 12
Thread Starter 
Ooh..I found this one too in August..

25(L). JAPAN, TOKYO: Tokyoto Ohtaku Sangyo Plaza "PIO", 1-20-20 Minami-Kamata, Ohta-ku. Japan Shaded Fancier's. CH/Kit-4AB, 2Spec; PR-6AB. Judges: Sada(AB), Hayata(AB), Shimada(AB), Komota(AB), Koizumi(LH/SH-CH/Kit; AB-PR), Akiyama(LH/SH-CH/Kit; AB-PR). Entry limit 160. Info: Teruko Arai, 2-18-3 Shirane Asahi-ku, Yokohama, Japan 241-0005. 81-45-953-3489


Who knows where that is..
I can find out easy enough though!! Thanks a lot! I'll keep my eyes on that site.
post #9 of 12
I wa wondering in my head as I read this, Do breeders sometimes mess up, with Aby's and Somali's do they sometimes give away a show or breeder quality kitten as a pet only to realise they've sent away a good future show, stud or queen?


Our Somali had all the qualities of a show quality cat expect one flaw, the belly, he has clean white on the neck and chin, clear eye bars an outstranding temperment and a nice black based tail, hes a ruddy. He does have a SLIGHT stripping- spotting on the belly?
post #10 of 12
Its not that they "mess up" per say; but you never know what will happen to a kitten as they grow. Some may be borderline on show/pet; others can change from 2 months old pet to a 4 month old possible show.

For the most part, you can tell a pet from a show prospect if you know the lines and how they develop.

We lucked out with Charlie We just wanted a pet Ocicat at the time. Nancy is a top breeder and she can tell which are show and which are pet; but coat/color/pattern can change. Took her till they were 3 months old to decide what kitten to keep in 2 of her litters. Originally Charlie was a pet Oci as his spotting was not as broken or defined very well by the time he was 3 months old. No problem cause we just wanted a loving, special Oci.

However, we get down there to pick him up (at 4 months old) and she tells us that his spotting had broken up nicely in some of the areas that were questionable and he was a nice show alter prospect if we wanted to try and show him. (she also changed the contract to read we could show him).

So we said "what the heck, let's see what happens".. and took him to his first kitten show about a month later - where he finaled in 2 rings ! So far he's gotten finals in every show we've been at. In ACFA he's got half his finals for Grand Championship (in first adult show) and in CFA he got a final in the Premier class as an Open (not counted towards Grand). He will go to the next show and hopefully get a final or two that will count towards his Grand.

So you never know. If you think your kitten might be good enough for showing in championship, contact the breeder and ask them to re-evaluate him and see if he's willing to let you show him and see what happens.
post #11 of 12
Thread Starter 
Well, I could be wrong but it sounds like the slight stripping is probably what made him pet quality.

My Russian Blue seems pretty perfect, from what I can tell.. except she has these little dents above her eye area. They were definitely her charm point as a kitten and I thought they were adorable... they've become less pronounced now and hardly noticable, but I can see how that made her pet quality.

Hopefully someone with more knowledge will give you a better reply!
post #12 of 12
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Originally Posted by Panther pride View Post
I was wondering in my head as I read this, Do breeders sometimes mess up, with Aby's and Somali's do they sometimes give away a show or breeder quality kitten as a pet only to realise they've sent away a good future show, stud or queen?

Our Somali had all the qualities of a show quality cat expect one flaw, the belly, he has clean white on the neck and chin, clear eye bars an outstanding temperament and a nice black based tail, hes a ruddy. He does have a SLIGHT stripping- spotting on the belly?
The spotting/marking of white anywhere except for the chin, throat and nose area disqualifies an Abyssinian or Somali for show.

And yes, breeders do sometimes make a mistake. One of the main reasons I, personally, do not sell my kittens until 16 weeks. I still consider myself a "newbie" in the arena even though I do qualify for breed council status. However, as in GK's case with Charlie, the new owner may have all the luck when purchasing a pet and ending up with Show In this case, both Nancy and GK are lucky - GK got more than what she wanted and Nancy got a show home as well
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