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post #31 of 59
This doesn't surprise me AT ALL!
post #32 of 59
Poor child. I think the best thing anyone can for her is get her mother away from her for starters. Find her a decent role model and let them try to help her but keep that so-called mother away - far away.
post #33 of 59
To answer the question as to why people seem to feel more sorry for Lindsay than Paris, well, there are a number of answers to that.

Lindsay worked her whole life in this industry and earned her fame and fortune through work, ability, effort and ambition. Paris was born into fame because her parents are rich.

Lindsay has a clearly genuine addiction that she has had no success in controlling. She was a child star with a terrible mother and an alcoholic father, and all I can think is, Drew Barrymore, anyone? Same thing. Paris was also busted for DUI and then deliberately and knowingly broke the law by violating her parole. She doesn't have an addiction, other than being addicted to attention and the media and being a spoiled brat who thinks she can do whatever she wants.

Lindsay is famous because of the things she has achieved in her life, and she continues to work with some very respected and famous actors because her ability so far has outweighed her problems. Paris is famous because she let her boyfriend video them having sex and then has cashed in on that ever since.

They both had horrible role models as parents, though - I will give them that. But Lindsay's mother enables her daughter's addictions and problems by going out partying with her all the time and not being a mother. Jeez, talking about riding on the coat-tails of someone more famous and successful than you. That woman is a leech.

I think there are plenty of differences between Lindsay and Paris. And Paris isn't doing any good things - she's back to her partying just as everyone knew she would be.
post #34 of 59
errr, i dont even know who she is,
post #35 of 59
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errr, i dont even know who she is,
That's ok Bruce Hubby didn't either and I had to explain it to him. Not that he cared that much after I did explain it.

Addicts cannot return to the environment and the people which enable their problems But she returns to this Hollywood party atmosphere where the rumor is that her boyfriend dumped her because she was boring sober. It takes an amazingly strong person to overcome this. Drew Barrymore is an exception and was able to make rehab work.
post #36 of 59
I have no sympathy for her. Life is about making choices, and she's made bad ones. There's plenty of Hollywood celebs who have been able to make the right choice and not end up splashed all over the news for being arrested regularly.
post #37 of 59
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
Poor child. I think the best thing anyone can for her is get her mother away from her for starters. Find her a decent role model and let them try to help her but keep that so-called mother away - far away.
I agree that her mom is a lot of her problem!

I think she had no idea that she is truly "addicted". She's in denial. And unlike Paris, she's not a twit. Paris has done well creating her "dumb blonde" persona & that's all the credit I give her. Lindsey used to be a talented actress, I haven't seen any recent movies, but she does have talent. If she can get over her "evils" I think she can make a life for herself.
post #38 of 59
Addiction is an evil thing. It doesn't matter who you are, famous or not, once it grabs ahold of you it is HARD to get away from. I will pray that she gets the strength to fight it and that she can stop before something bad happens.

I don't think it is fair for anyone that hasn't been there to judge someone or say horrible things about them because something like this happens to them.

It IS their choice to start it but once you start doing drugs like coke or become an alcoholic it can be so hard to stop. Who are you to judge if you have never been in their shoes? Its not as simple as just stopping. Once you become an addict it can haunt you and be a life long battle.

I think with famous people (or rich people) it can be even harder. They have the money to get whatever they want and have so many people around them that just care about the money and won't tell them no or what they are doing is wrong.
post #39 of 59
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Originally Posted by Kaylacat View Post
Addiction is an evil thing. It doesn't matter who you are, famous or not, once it grabs ahold of you it is HARD to get away from. I will pray that she gets the strength to fight it and that she can stop before something bad happens.

I don't think it is fair for anyone that hasn't been there to judge someone or say horrible things about them because something like this happens to them.

It IS their choice to start it but once you start doing drugs like coke or become an alcoholic it can be so hard to stop. Who are you to judge if you have never been in their shoes? Its not as simple as just stopping. Once you become an addict it can haunt you and be a life long battle.

I think with famous people (or rich people) it can be even harder. They have the money to get whatever they want and have so many people around them that just care about the money and won't tell them no or what they are doing is wrong.

I agree with everything you just said 110%.
post #40 of 59
I agree that she needs help. However, I also think she needs to deal with the consequences like anyone else with a DUI would. It's not her first offense. Regular people would have had to pay a large fine, jail time, and loss of license for what she has done, not probation and rehab (even for a first offense). I'm waiting for the backlash....remember Paris Hilton last month? Sadly, I think she needs more of a wakeup call than rehab for it to sink in.....
post #41 of 59
That alcohol sensing anklet, only works if you're so drunk that you puke all over your own feet.

What a stupid idea that was.
post #42 of 59
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
To answer the question as to why people seem to feel more sorry for Lindsay than Paris, well, there are a number of answers to that.

Lindsay worked her whole life in this industry and earned her fame and fortune through work, ability, effort and ambition. Paris was born into fame because her parents are rich.

Lindsay has a clearly genuine addiction that she has had no success in controlling. She was a child star with a terrible mother and an alcoholic father, and all I can think is, Drew Barrymore, anyone? Same thing. Paris was also busted for DUI and then deliberately and knowingly broke the law by violating her parole. She doesn't have an addiction, other than being addicted to attention and the media and being a spoiled brat who thinks she can do whatever she wants.

Lindsay is famous because of the things she has achieved in her life, and she continues to work with some very respected and famous actors because her ability so far has outweighed her problems. Paris is famous because she let her boyfriend video them having sex and then has cashed in on that ever since.

They both had horrible role models as parents, though - I will give them that. But Lindsay's mother enables her daughter's addictions and problems by going out partying with her all the time and not being a mother. Jeez, talking about riding on the coat-tails of someone more famous and successful than you. That woman is a leech.

I think there are plenty of differences between Lindsay and Paris. And Paris isn't doing any good things - she's back to her partying just as everyone knew she would be.
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Originally Posted by Kaylacat View Post
Addiction is an evil thing. It doesn't matter who you are, famous or not, once it grabs ahold of you it is HARD to get away from. I will pray that she gets the strength to fight it and that she can stop before something bad happens.

I don't think it is fair for anyone that hasn't been there to judge someone or say horrible things about them because something like this happens to them.

It IS their choice to start it but once you start doing drugs like coke or become an alcoholic it can be so hard to stop. Who are you to judge if you have never been in their shoes? Its not as simple as just stopping. Once you become an addict it can haunt you and be a life long battle.

I think with famous people (or rich people) it can be even harder. They have the money to get whatever they want and have so many people around them that just care about the money and won't tell them no or what they are doing is wrong.
EXCELLENT posts, both of you.

I guess I feel bad for her because I was addicted to cocaine for about 2 years straight, about 22 years ago. I know that demon by its first name, and I KNOW the lure of that particular drug.

Truly, only addicts in REAL recovery can put themselves in the shoes of someone like Lindsay and understand what it is like to not be ABLE to do anything except make the same mistakes over and over again.

One of you commented that she hasn't learned anything, and that is because cocaine is a chemical that changes the pleasure center of your brain. I forget the brain chemical name, but when you use coke, your brain stops making it naturally and instead relies upon and CRAVES the drug to make it FOR you.

Getting off this drug is not a "simple" choice, it is work and effort and determination, and at the present time, she is lost in her addiction and has none of that.

It takes over a year for a person to fully go through and come out the other side of cocaine withdrawal, it takes that long for your brain to figure out that it needs to start making that brain chemical all on its own again.

A week long stay, a month long stay, these are not enough to really, truly become "clean."

As of this morning, she is claiming that the drugs in her pocket wren't hers. Yeah...and my cats turn into werecats at the full moon.

Honestly, I think this girl needs some jail time, and not Paris jail time, either. It's time that Lohan is forced to face some cold, hard reality.

Coke ruins lives. I really hope that she gets strong enough to not let it ruin hers any further.

And that's all I have to say about that.
post #43 of 59
Lindsey may very well be a "real" addict. I hope she gets the help she needs, as I do anyone else who is in her situation. Bottom line though, IMO, is not that she was doing drugs and drinking. It's that she was drinking AND DRIVING. Her addiction does not excuse that.
post #44 of 59
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Lindsey may very well be a "real" addict. I hope she gets the help she needs, as I do anyone else who is in her situation. Bottom line though, IMO, is not that she was doing drugs and drinking. It's that she was drinking AND DRIVING. Her addiction does not excuse that.
Not one bit - that's another reason I think she needs jail time. You do the crime, you do the time. No more free celebrity passes just because they are famous. That's just so wrong.
post #45 of 59
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
To answer the question as to why people seem to feel more sorry for Lindsay than Paris, well, there are a number of answers to that.

Lindsay worked her whole life in this industry and earned her fame and fortune through work, ability, effort and ambition. Paris was born into fame because her parents are rich.

Lindsay has a clearly genuine addiction that she has had no success in controlling. She was a child star with a terrible mother and an alcoholic father, and all I can think is, Drew Barrymore, anyone? Same thing. Paris was also busted for DUI and then deliberately and knowingly broke the law by violating her parole. She doesn't have an addiction, other than being addicted to attention and the media and being a spoiled brat who thinks she can do whatever she wants.

Lindsay is famous because of the things she has achieved in her life, and she continues to work with some very respected and famous actors because her ability so far has outweighed her problems. Paris is famous because she let her boyfriend video them having sex and then has cashed in on that ever since.

They both had horrible role models as parents, though - I will give them that. But Lindsay's mother enables her daughter's addictions and problems by going out partying with her all the time and not being a mother. Jeez, talking about riding on the coat-tails of someone more famous and successful than you. That woman is a leech.

I think there are plenty of differences between Lindsay and Paris. And Paris isn't doing any good things - she's back to her partying just as everyone knew she would be.
You should have read my link, that is not true. She is trying. Paris, I mean.

So, if you were poor and worked hard you are more deserving of tolerance and compassion. Ok.

Lilo drove on a suspended license too.

I see no difference between them except Lindsey's offenses are worse IMO.
Now the courts will be forced to give Lilo jail time because of Paris or they will be accused of playing favorites. It is all so stupid.
post #46 of 59
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You should have read my link, that is not true. She is trying. Paris, I mean.
Perhaps I should have. I see and read plenty about Paris every day, though, that seems to negate one link. But you're right, I'll read it.

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So, if you were poor and worked hard you are more deserving of tolerance and compassion. Ok.
Yes, absolutely! Not if you are poor - but if you have worked hard for your success you are more deserving of genuine support, tolerance and compassion. My word, yes.

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Lilo drove on a suspended license too.
For which she should be punished, which I have not argued. If that means jail time, then so be it.

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I see no difference between them except Lindsey's offenses are worse IMO.
Now the courts will be forced to give Lilo jail time because of Paris or they will be accused of playing favorites. It is all so stupid.
I think that Lindsay's offences are equally as bad, too. However you asked why people are sympathetic towards her and not Paris, and I think you've had ample answer here.
post #47 of 59
And geez....The link under the one of Paris attending a "Night by the Ocean CHARITY GALA" and shelling out some money on a surfing lesson describes how she just bought another chihuahua from an upscale Beverly Hills store cuz she missed her pets while in jail???Wha??? geez.

Sorry, I just have to laugh a little that this is the GOOD work she is doing...we should all be so lucky as to be able to do something so GOOD!

And yes, I am more compassionate as well towards someone who puts real effort into their dreams in the face of real challenge and obstacles rather than towards someone who just ends up there due the last name of her rich parents.
post #48 of 59
I was talking with J about Lilo today, and we both came to the same sad conclusion: we've seen this story before. Chris Farley, John Belushi, River Phoenix, Janis Joplin, Shannon Hoon -- the list seems almost endless. It happens time and again (for the non-famous, as well as the famous, of course -- but we only really hear about the celebrities because the downward spiral of Joe Shmoe is much less interesting and the gory photos of his death don't sell nearly as well). We've seen the story before, and it doesn't end well. I think Lindsay has talent and potential, and I hope she gets help for her addiction(s) and that she learns to deal with the consequences of her actions. Failing that, I hope that when her story reaches its inevitable conclusion (given its current theme), the only person she takes out is herself.
post #49 of 59
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Originally Posted by Mirinae View Post
I was talking with J about Lilo today, and we both came to the same sad conclusion: we've seen this story before. Chris Farley, John Belushi, River Phoenix, Janis Joplin, Shannon Hoon -- the list seems almost endless. It happens time and again (for the non-famous, as well as the famous, of course -- but we only really hear about the celebrities because the downward spiral of Joe Shmoe is much less interesting and the gory photos of his death don't sell nearly as well). We've seen the story before, and it doesn't end well. I think Lindsay has talent and potential, and I hope she gets help for her addiction(s) and that she learns to deal with the consequences of her actions. Failing that, I hope that when her story reaches its inevitable conclusion (given its current theme), the only person she takes out is herself.
That's a good post.
post #50 of 59
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Originally Posted by Natalie_ca View Post
There is no "rock bottom" for a celebrity in this day and age. Salaries are outrageously high, and contracts are almost always negotiated with a royalties clause that provides them with a bottomless income for years down the road. There will always be money for rent, money for a fancy car, money to party and money for drugs.

Rock bottom to the average joe is losing their job, their faimly, their home and ending up on the street and on welfare. I don't see that happening to any celebrity, do you?
Why does someone's "rock bottom" have to be financial? I think someone's "rock bottom" can be physical or emotional/mental. Just because someone is wealthy doesn't mean they don't have as much pain as the rest of us. I remember when Katie Couric's husband died of cancer, and people would say things like, "Well at least she has enough money so she doesn't have to worry..." (I paraphrase). I found that horrifying.
post #51 of 59
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That alcohol sensing anklet, only works if you're so drunk that you puke all over your own feet.

What a stupid idea that was.
No, it works the same way as a breathalyzer. It measures alcohol evaporation through your skin-- and is in many cases mandated by courts. The main problem with it is that it only works when you're near the sensor thing, usually in your house. http://www.alcoholmonitoring.com/ Though that's great if you're on house arrest!
post #52 of 59
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
No, it works the same way as a breathalyzer. It measures alcohol evaporation through your skin-- and is in many cases mandated by courts. The main problem with it is that it only works when you're near the sensor thing, usually in your house. http://www.alcoholmonitoring.com/ Though that's great if you're on house arrest!
Upon perusing the site, it doesn't state that you have to be near the monitor? It states that the sampling is taken every 30 minutes or however long you set it for, and that information is transferred to the monitoring system..It wouldn't make sense if you had to be in your house for it to be effective?

Are you thinking about house arrest anklets that go off when you leave the perimeter of your residence?
post #53 of 59
Let me clarify a little, it stores the info all the time, but can only report it to the modem (and thus the company, and from there the cops) if you are near it once a day. So, when the person wearing it goes out, the results aren't being sent, and if they stay gone long enough, the results never will get sent.

If it is a voluntary thing, like Lindsay's, then it's possible to get around it. Most people who have to wear them are also on house arrest or in some kind of supervision.

I think my main point was, if she had been good up to the night of her most recent arrest, and then went out and got trashed, nobody would have known immediately-- people seem to think that because the cops didn't surround her the second she took a sip the anklets don't work.
post #54 of 59
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
http://www.people.com/people/article...047831,00.html

Paris is trying to do some good now, at least.
Ok, I just read this. So, showing up to a charity gala is doing good in the world, is it? Spending $17,500 (she gets paid up to a million dollars to turn up to events like these) on a surfing lesson is, wow, well, excuse me. Her philanthropy overwhelms. That would be like me giving 30c to a McDonald's McHappy Day event.

What a turnaround. Some great publicity for Paris, for sure - but sorry, I'm not sure exactly who has benefited from her making an appearance
post #55 of 59
It might help if celebs that go into rehab actually took it seriously instead of treating it as a publicity exercise. If you have a genuine problem with drugs or alcohol or whatever, you don't go into some rehab centre for 10 days then come out 'cured' and get straight back into the party scene. It seems that whenever a celeb is found out to have a problem with drink or drugs or has been in trouble with the law, they head straight off to rehab in an attempt to turn public opinion in their favour and gain sympathy instead derision. I very much doubt whether most of them really do acknowledge they have a problem and are genuinely prepared to deal with it.
post #56 of 59
And that's exactly the same for most addicts - they're not known for going `oh, ok then, well, yep I've got a problem, lets go get it fixed!'. It's a long process of denial, resistance, acceptance, help and finally (hopefully) cure. It just seems to easy for these guys - they think it's a joke when it's actually the most serious thing that will affect their lives.

I mean, look at Britney. Although she could just be crazy - not too sure on that one
post #57 of 59
There was a psychologist on the news, the other day and he was saying that some of those high-dollar rehab places make it too "convenient", for celebrities. They are allowed out, to attend various functions, rather than buckling down and concentrating on getting straight. During her rehab period, LL went to parties. As soon as she got out, she headed for Vegas.

The "people, places, things" principle applies here. Part of recovery is avoiding the people, places and things that enable and/or encourage the self-destructive behavior.
post #58 of 59
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
Let me clarify a little, it stores the info all the time, but can only report it to the modem (and thus the company, and from there the cops) if you are near it once a day. So, when the person wearing it goes out, the results aren't being sent, and if they stay gone long enough, the results never will get sent.
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Ahhhhh..Ok, gotcha.
post #59 of 59
That is good to know. I was wondering how that dumb thing worked too.
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