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post #31 of 49
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Originally Posted by Cinder View Post
It's not like calico2222 is asking whether she should have shot the cat. It's also not like she has any remorse for shooting it, because she's admittedly glad it's dead. (yes, I know, DH did the shooting)

Shooting an animal can be a first resort, or a last. It probably is the quickest, cheapest and definitely the most permanent course of action. It's just not a method that everyone resorts to. Maybe it's the title of the post itself...We had to kill a cat today. Whether they actually had to or not is questionable, at least to some.

I'm not sure anyone is arguing. If calico222 did not want to discuss it, what was the point of posting? Is everyone supposed to say, "Oh yeah, you did the right thing," whether they believe it or not. If you don't want to know what others think, why ask?

Whether the cat's behavior would have changed or not if neutered is only a matter of speculation, but that holds true for both opinions. No one can say with any certainty either way.

And saying that it's okay because he went to a better place, well...I'm not even going there.
I very much agree with you. Very sad story. Rest in peace poor kitty. May your next life be much better.
post #32 of 49
I can understand why you're glad he's gone. Sounds like he was a feline terrorist. Sometimes this kind of decision is necessary.
post #33 of 49
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Originally Posted by Cinder View Post
It's not like calico2222 is asking whether she should have shot the cat. It's also not like she has any remorse for shooting it, because she's admittedly glad it's dead. (yes, I know, DH did the shooting)

Shooting an animal can be a first resort, or a last. It probably is the quickest, cheapest and definitely the most permanent course of action. It's just not a method that everyone resorts to. Maybe it's the title of the post itself...We had to kill a cat today. Whether they actually had to or not is questionable, at least to some.

I'm not sure anyone is arguing. If calico222 did not want to discuss it, what was the point of posting? Is everyone supposed to say, "Oh yeah, you did the right thing," whether they believe it or not. If you don't want to know what others think, why ask?

Whether the cat's behavior would have changed or not if neutered is only a matter of speculation, but that holds true for both opinions. No one can say with any certainty either way.

And saying that it's okay because he went to a better place, well...I'm not even going there.
Sorry, I was offline for most of the day, that is why I haven't replied recently. Maybe my subject line was a bit harsh, but it is what we had to do to protect the rest of the cats. Going back to your previous post...no, I did not see the attacks last night, but I have witnessed them in the last few weeks, and so has DH and MIL. One happened in the barn while we were feeding the goats. He was attacking a female, not a tom. He chased her in, cornered her and attacked her. He wasn't trying to mate, he was trying to kill. And, I don't care what anyone says, no normal cat that has food available every night, would try to stalk baby goats.

And, as for taking him to the vet and get him neutered and have tests run...the vet bill for taking care of his victims has us almost broke. We have at least 10 cats that have been in to see the vet, or have been prescribed medicine to try to patch them up. Our barn looks like a WWII vet hospital.

I didn't start this thread to start an argument. Obviously, it was bothering me enough to post it. I wasn't asking everyone to tell me it was ok. You have some very valid points. I love cats. If we could have trapped him, we would have. But that was not an option because of the other cats. I wish we could have done things differently, but we couldn't.
post #34 of 49
did ya'll save his body? i hope so... please send it off to a lab to be tested to rule out rabies. that is NOT normal behavior for a cat to stalk farm animals like that which are much larger.

Was he avoiding water (do ya'll have troughs or pools in that area?). Please get the kitties who were harmed on antibiotics to help prevent infection. Also- keep them seperate from all of ther animals and keep them caged if possible for 10 days to watch them for any odd behavior. Be very careful when handling them as you do not know if the cat who bit them was rabid or not yet. I am soo sorry that this happened. Ya'll did make the right choice though-that animal definitely sounds like he had something wrong with him and needed to be pts. I am sorry you had such a rough day love
post #35 of 49
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Originally Posted by Kelly Anne View Post
My opinion, is that we're all better of dead. Don't take that the wrong way, really! I mean... if you're Christian. If your not, please ignore my post.
Okay... I swear this is not going to have to go to IMO, bear with me here:

If we're better off dead, why do we send vibes and prayers when one of our loved ones is in the hospital? Why do we get so angry about the thousands of soldiers killed in Iraq? For that matter, why do we take our cats to the vet, if they're better off dying and going to "a better place?"

Also: you say we should ignore your post if we're not Christians -- which implies that non-Christians are not better off dead, presumably because they are not going to "a better place."

And this cat who was shot... surely you don't think a cat can be Christian, so I assume you feel that all animals are innocent and eligible for heaven? If so, I fully agree with you on that.

But look at the dichotomy you've set up there: If a nice agnostic lady, for example, lives a selfless life of service to humanity and dies while ladling out soup at a homeless shelter, her cats will go to heaven, but she, as a non-Christian, is going straight to hell?

The truth is, none of us really knows what comes after this life. Maybe what you believe, maybe what I imagine, maybe nothing at all -- just this world and then lights out. (I hope not, but it's a possibility that we ought to face.)

It worries me that some people consider this life so wretched that we're better off dead -- because those who are preoccuped with looking forward to "the next life" are not likely to bother doing much to improve this life.

And this life is the only one we know exists. So shouldn't we try to do our very best here and now, Christian and non-Christian, toward making this world as kind and pure and loving as the heaven we imagine?

Sorry for the hijack. I just had to put this out there.
post #36 of 49
I myself have shot a cat before. The poor twisted thing was in absolutely horrid condition, obviously hit by a car. No vet around, and I could not let that innocent angel go any longer. I have never been so ill in my life after that, ever. It is not something taken lightly. And I will admit that is not the only cat, either.
post #37 of 49
sometimes you are left with no choice.
does not make you feel good, i know.
post #38 of 49
I feel you did the right thing. It sounds like there was something very wrong with that cat.

Since he was not neutered it was most likey an even better decision. It might have been a personality flaw and passing that on to even more and more offspring would have been a bad thing.

I am sure it was a hard decision to make but I think you made the right one.

Capturing him and then having him PTS with perhaps a follow up to see if he was rabid or had some type of tumor may have been a possiblity but I think that the funds for all that would be better put to use to help the cats he has injured or spay another female.
post #39 of 49
One comment re the Christian thing - no one "earns" their way into Heaven
post #40 of 49
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Originally Posted by Kelly Anne View Post
I think everybody should quit arguing about this, to be honest.

My opinion, is that we're all better of dead. Don't take that the wrong way, really! I mean... if you're Christian. If your not, please ignore my post. But all those Christians out there-- life on earth is a pain in the rear end. Honestly, it is. So much pain and suffering... But when we die, we go to a better place. The only ones we should feel sorry for are the ones left behind to deal with the loss of that person. Same goes for animals. So many terrible things go on down here, but up THERE, all is well.


Ok, another person very thoughtfully responded to this, so I'm not even going to touch the "If you're christian, you're better off up there" thing.........

But here's my big irking. Where in the bible does it say anything about cats?
As someone who has a lot of moral issues eating other animals, I've been told time and time again that the bible states God put animals on this planet for us to eat.

It kills me when "Christian" people talk about their cats going to heaven when clearly if ANYTHING, the bible completely contradicts this thought and says Heaven is a place solely for the devout humans.

So I just wanted to add that because I think the implication was that if you're not Christian, you're not going to Heaven, and yet you (and many other Bible believing people) believe that your animals are going to Heaven, when they are just lumped in the Bible into the same category as every other animal we as humans are "supposed to" consume, as said by God.

I'm not trying to attack anyone here. I think CarolPetunia covered every other base that I was thinking perfectly.......I just wanted to add on a little to how, once again, Christians tend to pick and choose what to believe and not believe.

Let me restate one more time: I mean no disprespect here. Just my thoughts on the entire issue.
post #41 of 49
Calico2222, I believe you did what the right thing, of course you did not want too do it, but you had no choice. From what you have said, I would most certainly have done the same thing. Those poor innocent kitties and the mommy's, you helped them immensly, by taking that cats life. It is unfortunate but sometimes we have to make a choice, and in this case the choice you made was the best one IMO, and after all, that stray will be , no doubt, running around at the bridge now, under supervision though hehe. Bless you for saving those precious babies and their mommys
post #42 of 49
Well... there's no use debating the heaven issue with anyone who takes the Bible as literal and (despite its internal contradictions) infallible... so I'll bow out on this one. But it's a subject that fascinates me, and anyone who wants an open discussion on it is welcome to PM me!
post #43 of 49
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
One comment re the Christian thing - no one "earns" their way into Heaven
i can agree with that.

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Originally Posted by DaniMarie View Post
But here's my big irking. Where in the bible does it say anything about cats?
As someone who has a lot of moral issues eating other animals, I've been told time and time again that the bible states God put animals on this planet for us to eat.

It kills me when "Christian" people talk about their cats going to heaven when clearly if ANYTHING, the bible completely contradicts this thought and says Heaven is a place solely for the devout humans.
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Show me where it says they are not? It does not.
It does state that we are to take care of them, Does not say eat them all, or kill them all. the statment that comes to mind, is on earth as it is heaven. so why should there not be?

It may kill you, but the bottom line is you dont know. . Many people who have had a near death experice have talked of meeting loved ones, and animals.

Sorry but after years of having and living with many animals, there is no way anyone can convencie me that many of them dont have souls.

there where so many things said in this thread that are just wrong on the basic level. but anyway, that is not what this thread is about...
post #44 of 49
I'll sidestep the religion, heaven and bible angle to this because I don't really see why that needs to be brought into this conversation in the first place.

But aside from that...

I am without a doubt an animal person. I would do whatever I needed to do to save an ailing animal. I even go so far as to buy cruelty free meats from local farmers so I know my dinner lived and died as humanely as possible. I am, as some consider me, a complete nut job when it comes to the well being of animals.

However...

In this specific situation, Calico2222 was in the position of weighing the wellbeing of many animals versus the life of a single animal. While I am not an advocate of shooting cats, I do see a quick and probably painless (do to the quickness of it) death as the lesser of two evils when compared to the long lasting painful injuries that cat inflicted on the other animals. This tom dislocated both of the back legs of another cat - that is a long lasting and painful injury, one which I can only hope that cat recovers from.

I can't help but get mental playbacks of Cityslickers in my head - the scene where Billy Crystal delivered Norman and Jack Palance shot the mother cow. His words: "She was suffering". Think of the actions of this cat - stalking baby goats, dislocating the back legs of another cat, attacking other cats. This does not sound like the normal behavior of your average cat - even a feral. This is over the top. I agree with whoever said that it sounds like rabies...because it does to me as well.. and in which case, he WAS suffering. And, much like Norman, Calico was able to save the other animals after the death of one.

Whether it was rabies or not, this cat was not well. Yes, she could have trapped him and taken him to a shelter to be put down. Why traumatize the cat in order to end up killing him anyway? And who knows how much more damage he would have done while she was waiting for him to be trapped?

If another animal were attacking your cat, would you not defend your cat? If someone were trying to hurt your family, would you not try to defend them? I don't see this as any different.

I never thought I'd be in a position to say this, but in this case I do believe shooting the cat was the best decision. For the tom's sake, I hope his death was quick and painless. I hope he is now happily playing over the bridge where he no longer has to suffer with whatever ailed him. And I hope your other cats and goats have a quick and healthy recovery.
post #45 of 49
Don't feel too bad about it, when we lived out in the country we had to shoot two cats. One was a 4 month old kitten who had rabies, she would stand on the porch, foam at the mouth and try to attack our other cats, and the other was a kitten killer,(a dominate male) who was so mean we were afraid of him around the puppies and kittens cause he not just killed them but he did it violently.So sometimes you just have to do it.
post #46 of 49
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
i can agree with that.



Show me where it says they are not? It does not.
It does state that we are to take care of them, Does not say eat them all, or kill them all. the statment that comes to mind, is on earth as it is heaven. so why should there not be?

It may kill you, but the bottom line is you dont know. . Many people who have had a near death experice have talked of meeting loved ones, and animals.

Sorry but after years of having and living with many animals, there is no way anyone can convencie me that many of them dont have souls.

there where so many things said in this thread that are just wrong on the basic level. but anyway, that is not what this thread is about...



I'm not disagreeing with the fact that animals have souls.... but what separates a cow's soul from a cat's soul???

It's funny how people pick and choose. You wouldn't eat your cat, so why would you eat cows or pigs, who are chromosomally just as close to human beings and certainly just as smart as cows and dogs? (the answer I *ALWAYS* get to this question when its brought up with people is the "god put them on this planet for us to consume" excuse)

I didn't want to get into a philosophical debate, the "christianity" topic was brought up and I spoke my mind.

I feel wholeheartedly that my cats are going to be there waiting for me when I leave this earth, but I think it's unfair to pick and choose which animals one believes possess a soul and which ones are just ripe for the picking and disregarded as living feeling beings.

Again, I'm not attacking and this is really not the place, but when the topic comes up, it's very difficult for me not to put my two cents in.
post #47 of 49
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Originally Posted by DaniMarie View Post
But here's my big irking. Where in the bible does it say anything about cats?
As someone who has a lot of moral issues eating other animals, I've been told time and time again that the bible states God put animals on this planet for us to eat.

It kills me when "Christian" people talk about their cats going to heaven when clearly if ANYTHING, the bible completely contradicts this thought and says Heaven is a place solely for the devout humans.
As someone who reads the Bible everyday and in different versions I could argue this, but this is not what the thread is about.

To the original poster I do not think it was wrong to kill the cat that was causing considerable harm to other animals. I do not think I would of handle it that way, but I do not feel it was wrong. Everyone handles situations differently.
post #48 of 49
Instead of this being a small domestic cat that was attacking the other cats, etc.; what if it were a bobcat or fox or coon? Would it be any different to shoot that animal vs a domestic/ferel cat?

I don't think so. I'd want to protect my animals/pets too and if the same thing happened to us (when we were on the farm), DH would have gotten the 22 out and shot the cat.

I think she did no wrong in the decision.
post #49 of 49
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
Instead of this being a small domestic cat that was attacking the other cats, etc.; what if it were a bobcat or fox or coon? Would it be any different to shoot that animal vs a domestic/ferel cat?
Of course it would! If it were a wild animal, it would only be doing what was normal for it to do. Trapping, neutering, testing for illness... none of that would make sense for a wild animal, whose life would still be spent hunting other animals.

Don't misunderstand me, though -- I don't like the idea of shooting a wild animal, either. Better to contact an organization that can trap or tranquilize and relocate it far away from inhabited areas. But if a domestic animal is under direct attack and must be protected, or if no rescue organization is available... I can understand the necessity in such a case.

The point some people are missing here is that there were alternatives. This was a domestic (or potentially so) cat behaving in an abnormally aggressive manner, possibly due to illness or failure to neuter. He may have been capable of living a perfectly normal life, doing no harm to anyone. That's the difference.
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