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Originally Posted by arie85

But that's a black & white decision, what's wrong with compromise?

You don't find it as a better solution?
I'll drop this part of the conversation after this. No I do not agree that rehoming the resident cats is a better or fair option. If Ping did not get along with Pong. Then Pong would be rehomed not Ping.

Now I am done with that. Now I will try and give solutions that no cat has to be rehomed.
 

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Originally Posted by Mom of 4

FWIW, my vet tells us that during the first two month of introductions, the old pets are always right and the newbies are always wrong. The old pets know the family/house rules and will correct the newbies - just not always the way we would.
Cute kitties and puppies make you want to rescue them, but you are just making them into brats if they don't have rules to follow.

We are helping train/socialize my son's puppy. The dogs and cat let the puppy get away with a lot more than you'd believe, but they do set limits. The pup is a strong alpha, so we are really working on the training. She wants to play with my cat and my son's shy cat, so my cat is having to teach her the correct signals. It is going pretty well at this point.
This is so true. The animal world has their own rules that we don't understand. They will learn as they go, and sometimes it won't be pretty.

The idea of catnip is a great one! Or, even try a laser light. Sometimes when they all play together that helps break the ice too.

Have you trimmed Prue and Tiggers claws recently? Before letting everyone out together, definitely do that you haven't already. Especially since there was already a scratch. I would suggest watching them closely, and separate them at night and when you aren't going to be there (or if it gets out of hand), but put the new ones in the cage instead. That way, Prue and Tigger will feel secure of their place in the house. I'll bet after a few weeks everything will work itself out. I'm not an expert on this by any means, but this is just what I would do in this situation.
 

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Originally Posted by arie85

But if they don't get along maybe it's good for them, after all she's not doing it because of a bad reason, dont you think?
What would be best for the resident cats if their happy, secure home was returned to them. The trouble started when the newcomers arrived. It is the newcomers that should go if anyone does. The resident cats did not create this situation, they should not be punished for it and taking them from a home they are happy and comfortable in and expecting them to adjust to a new one is punishing them.
 

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Originally Posted by mschauer

What would be best for the resident cats if their happy, secure home was returned to them. The trouble started when the newcomers arrived. It is the newcomers that should go if anyone does. The resident cats did not create this situation, they should not be punished for it and taking them from a home they are happy and comfortable in and expecting them to adjust to a new one is punishing them.
That's alright, but life doesn't always go by the rules of "I've been here first"
 

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Originally Posted by arie85

That's alright, but life doesn't always go by the rules of "I've been here first"
In this case there isn't a reason in the world why it can't.
 

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It's a very unfortunate situation, and I'm sorry you're going through it Liza. If you need to rehome, I understand you're probably more likely to rehome the younger kitties than the older ones.

Have you tried crating Sace and Uno rather than the other way around? Maybe you can crate them, try Prozac or something similar on Tiggy and Prue, then let just Uno out for a bit, crate him, and let just Sace out for a bit, then if things seem relatively settled, let them all out together supervised, and keep crating Sace and Uno when you're not home until they all get along (or at least can avoid each other).

Good luck
 
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Originally Posted by mschauer

In this case there isn't a reason in the world why it can't.
well then offer up your best ideas on how to do this, cause i will give you a list of tired and failed, and u tell me what will WORK. i have asked dont breate me, but i see it still happens though posts like that.

TRIED:

Feliway
Vanilla under chins
seperate though rooms/kennels
toys
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catnip ( prue hates it)
 
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Originally Posted by sarahp

It's a very unfortunate situation, and I'm sorry you're going through it Liza. If you need to rehome, I understand you're probably more likely to rehome the younger kitties than the older ones.

Have you tried crating Sace and Uno rather than the other way around? Maybe you can crate them, try Prozac or something similar on Tiggy and Prue, then let just Uno out for a bit, crate him, and let just Sace out for a bit, then if things seem relatively settled, let them all out together supervised, and keep crating Sace and Uno when you're not home until they all get along (or at least can avoid each other).

Good luck
I will try that, i'll try ANYTHING at this point. I have been trying that with Prue and tigger. i only did them cause they were causing blood to be drawn with scratches, so i thought it was safest to kennel the agressor, but i see as usual im told im worng ( not u, other posts)


I just cant stand the ppl berating me without adding advice. if you cant help, dont post is what it comes to. im looking for help. i posted this KNOWING i shouldnt have, cause i would get berated, no matter how much i have supported others, ah well, such as people i guess.
 

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Originally Posted by Liza24

the main reason Prue went into the kennel was because she was attackin to the point that she swiped off some of sace's hair, and she got a nice mohawk with a small scratch on her head, so i thought it was safer. maybe i should jsut let her go, and see what happens? I mean, if they hiss and spit and do their thing, maybe it will be a agression release, and they will calm down, i dont know, i just need some help.
But thats what everyone has a problem with - when they fought you should have kennel sace and uno - not prue and tigger. You keep saying that they're the ones with the problem so thats why you caged them. But as far as anyone is reading - they weren't attacking the other kitties, just sace and uno. So there is no reason that the older cats have to go in the kennels.

No one here is attacking you, we're trying to be supportive and make suggestions. We're trying to help you.

Pretty much everyone is agreeing, if you try again - and this time kennel sace and uno instead of tigger and prue you might find you're successful.

Is there a reason you're adverse to trying that?
 

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Originally Posted by Liza24

well then offer up your best ideas on how to do this, cause i will give you a list of tired and failed, and u tell me what will WORK. i have asked dont breate me, but i see it still happens though posts like that.

TRIED:

Feliway
Vanilla under chins
seperate though rooms/kennels
toys
supervised visits
catnip ( prue hates it)
Rehome the newcomers not the residents IF one or the other must be done. That is the only issue my posts have addressed.
 
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Originally Posted by alwaysaangel

But thats what everyone has a problem with - when they fought you should have kennel sace and uno - not prue and tigger. You keep saying that they're the ones with the problem so thats why you caged them. But as far as anyone is reading - they weren't attacking the other kitties, just sace and uno. So there is no reason that the older cats have to go in the kennels.

No one here is attacking you, we're trying to be supportive and make suggestions. We're trying to help you.

Pretty much everyone is agreeing, if you try again - and this time kennel sace and uno instead of tigger and prue you might find you're successful.

Is there a reason you're adverse to trying that?
im not adverse to trying that, i did that for the first 2 weeks. when i did, prue would go to the kennel and put her paw inside and swipe around and hiss and spit, i couldnt believe it!!! no matter where they were, she was after them. when they were in the bathroom, she would spend all day, trying to dig under the door to get to them. it made me think she was the one with the problem. Tigger is getting better, but they still have spats so tigger goes back in after a few hours, to let everyone calm down.

the other hard part for me is that i have wanted Birman cats for over 10 years, just never been able to afford them. So when the woman called me, i was OVERJOYED. Thats the other reason this is so hard
 

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Originally Posted by Liza24

im not adverse to trying that, i did that for the first 2 weeks. when i did, prue would go to the kennel and put her paw inside and swipe around and hiss and spit, i couldnt believe it!!! no matter where they were, she was after them. when they were in the bathroom, she would spend all day, trying to dig under the door to get to them. it made me think she was the one with the problem. Tigger is getting better, but they still have spats so tigger goes back in after a few hours, to let everyone calm down.

the other hard part for me is that i have wanted Birman cats for over 10 years, just never been able to afford them. So when the woman called me, i was OVERJOYED. Thats the other reason this is so hard
But Prue couldn't get them - they can hide in the back of the kennel and she's not going to get into the bathroom.

Go ahead and recage the new cats - SPOIL your old ones. Make sure they know they're still your babies and the alphas.

Then like someone else said, introduce ONE new cat at time. Trim all claws to make sure its tougher to draw blood and if they want to have it out - let them a little. So they can develop their pecking order. If it gets out of hand - put them back and leave them in the cage a little longer so they can get used to the scent.

I haven't read that article on introducing cats but aren't you supposed to just let them smell each other for a week or something before introducing at all?

Everyone here just wants to support you through trying again so no one loses their home.
 
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Originally Posted by alwaysaangel

But Prue couldn't get them - they can hide in the back of the kennel and she's not going to get into the bathroom.

Go ahead and recage the new cats - SPOIL your old ones. Make sure they know they're still your babies and the alphas.

Then like someone else said, introduce ONE new cat at time. Trim all claws to make sure its tougher to draw blood and if they want to have it out - let them a little. So they can develop their pecking order. If it gets out of hand - put them back and leave them in the cage a little longer so they can get used to the scent.

I haven't read that article on introducing cats but aren't you supposed to just let them smell each other for a week or something before introducing at all?

Everyone here just wants to support you through trying again so no one loses their home.
i did read the article, and i have tried it, i jsut dont have alot of room to have cats in my one bathroom forever,lol. I also asked a LONG time ago on help to introduce cats with little to no extra rooms, and did what was asked, and it really didnt help. i think i hav a devil cat ( prue),lol
 
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i will retry kenneling sace and uno.

but....

wont that make them think that i am mad at them and loose the bond i have?
 

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Originally Posted by Liza24

im not adverse to trying that, i did that for the first 2 weeks. when i did, prue would go to the kennel and put her paw inside and swipe around and hiss and spit, i couldnt believe it!!! no matter where they were, she was after them. when they were in the bathroom, she would spend all day, trying to dig under the door to get to them. it made me think she was the one with the problem. Tigger is getting better, but they still have spats so tigger goes back in after a few hours, to let everyone calm down.

the other hard part for me is that i have wanted Birman cats for over 10 years, just never been able to afford them. So when the woman called me, i was OVERJOYED. Thats the other reason this is so hard
That's what cats do. They hiss and spit and posture and show the newbies who is boss. I think they can still work things out, so all is not lost. If Tigger is getting better that is a very good sign. It may take Prue a little longer to accept them. Give them more time, and please...put the new ones in the cage rather than the residents. That is what is causing part of the problem.
 

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Originally Posted by Liza24

i will retry kenneling sace and uno.

but....

wont that make them think that i am mad at them and loose the bond i have?
I don't think so. Think of it as protecting them until Prue and Tigger have a chance to reestablish their role in the house. I'm sure it will be a break for them too, and you can spend time with them one on one and keep that bond going.
 

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Originally Posted by Liza24

i will retry kenneling sace and uno.

but....

wont that make them think that i am mad at them and loose the bond i have?
Were you worried about caging Tigger and Pure making Tigger and Prue think you were mad at them and loosing the bond you had with them?
 
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Originally Posted by alwaysaangel

Were you worried about caging Tigger and Pure making Tigger and Prue think you were mad at them and loosing the bond you had with them?
actually i had them out when i could, and played with them and such. but now i have to go back to work, and wont have the time to, and if i jsut put sace and uno in there without as much time to do that stuff, i dont want them mad at me.
 

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Originally Posted by Liza24

actually i had them out when i could, and played with them and such. but now i have to go back to work, and wont have the time to, and if i jsut put sace and uno in there without as much time to do that stuff, i dont want them mad at me.
Ah ok - just curious.

I don't think it will be a problem.
 

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Have you spoke to & worked with your vet on this?

My Ophelia is on Buspar. Keeps her from killing other cats long enough for me to move out.... Honestly, I'm all for meds, in a case like Ophelia. I mean, she was not happy before, scared/nervous, now she's relaxed. She plays a lot, purrs, wants to be petted.....she's happy.
 
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