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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Wow... I wonder if they are going to try to confirm it.


Something inside of me says that he isn't dead though. He's a lot like a roach... you just can't kill it.
post #3 of 71
Wow...if this is true, it's huge. & sort of sad, since we've been looking for him for so long, & he's taken out by a lung problem.
post #4 of 71
Note the date, though. December 2001.
post #5 of 71
I could have bet money that he passed away quite a while ago. To me, this is not news, just a confirmation of what I already suspected.
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Note the date, though. December 2001.

Thank you for pointing it out!!!
post #7 of 71
The article was written December 26, 2001.


They have proven he's still alive with those tapes he sends throw voice confirmation, his talk of current events, etc.
post #8 of 71
I don't believe it.

1. This article was written almost 6 years ago and this is the first I have heard of this.

and 2. Sick as this will sound to some I won't believe he is dead until I see a body. And someone saying he died and we buried him in a hidden spot no one will find doesn't cut it for me.
post #9 of 71
Weird that someone who died shortly after 9/11 is still on the most wanted list http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm.

This story was discredited years ago when it came out.

But thanks for the reminder that we've completely failed to catch him yet, and rather than going after him and his higher-ups in Pakistan we are in an illegal war in Iraq.

Maybe because Pakistan has nukes?
post #10 of 71
Even if he has died since (or will in the near future) I'm not sure that we will ever confirm this. At least not until a few years. My guess would be that they will continue video taping and a few years after his death continue to send these tapes in an effort to erase a grave perminantly.
post #11 of 71
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I don't think he died in Dec, 2001 but I think there is a good possibility he is dead now. If he weren't he would be making more video's. The One that just came out they say is old.

People fail to remember that Congress voted for the War in Iraq, such is why you won't see Bush getting impeached over it. It is not an illegal war, that is ONE person's opinion.
Just like some people don't think Sadaam was a terrorist and some people do.
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People fail to remember that Congress voted for the War in Iraq, such is why you won't see Bush getting impeached over it.
Nobody wants Bush to be impeached because of the war. They want him to be impeached because he flat-out lied to Congress about why we needed to go to war. Which is why Congress voted for it.

I don't fail to remember it, the fact that Congress and America were lied to to convince us to support it is WHY he should be impeached. And anyway, an impeachment is a trial to see if there was wrongdoing, and there is certainly enough evidence to warrant that. Impeachment =/= Kicked out of office.

But that has nothing to do with Bin Laden, which was my point-- we should be looking for him, because he is still at large and evidence suggests that al Qaeda has strengthened since we've been distracted and engaged elsewhere. IE-- this war has made us significantly less safe and more vulnerable to attack, because it has left the actual enemy, who really did successfully attack us, to regroup and gain strength in a country with nuclear arms.
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I'm so glad there have been no further terrorist attacks in this country since
9-11
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post

This story was discredited years ago when it came out.

But thanks for the reminder that we've completely failed to catch him yet, and rather than going after him and his higher-ups in Pakistan we are in an illegal war in Iraq.


Well said, and right to the point.
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I'm so glad there have been no further terrorist attacks in this country since
9-11
You make it sound like America was riddled with terrorism, when, as far as I know (and I'm no American), 9/11 was the ONLY terrorist attack. At least, the only one that's ever commented on and mentioned (if there were others, I'd have heard about it, and I wouldn't be under the impression that 9/11 was the only American terrorist attack).
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You make it sound like America was riddled with terrorism, when, as far as I know (and I'm no American), 9/11 was the ONLY terrorist attack. At least, the only one that's ever commented on and mentioned (if there were others, I'd have heard about it, and I wouldn't be under the impression that 9/11 was the only American terrorist attack).

Well actually, on February 26, 1993, a 1,200-pound bomb in a van exploded in the parking garage beneath the World Trade Center. This was the most destructive terrorist attack carried out on U.S. soil up to that time (but certainly NOT the first), killing six people, injuring more than a thousand, and causing half a billion dollars in damage.

Mohammad Salameh and Nidal Ayyad were both arrested and charged...I'm not completely sure on the others involved in the bombing.


I'm surprised you never heard of that.
post #17 of 71
I can remember 4 terrorist attacks on U.S. soil in my lifetime, not counting embassies, airplanes, or military targets overseas. The first was the one DaniMarie mentioned, the second was the bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City, the third was during the Olympics in Atlanta, and the fourth was Sept 11th. From my perspective they were pretty evenly spaced, really, and I don't see any change in frequency.

None of them caused any sort of reaction like Sept 11, in part because the scale of destruction-- the prior events were bad, but they dwarf in comparison on a national scale (though of course, they're exactly the same to anyone who lost someone close to them). In part because some were caused by Americans, and well, how to declare war on them?
post #18 of 71
OKC and the Olympics bombings were the work of DOMESTIC terrorists - Timothy McVeigh and Robert Rudolph, respectively. You can add Rudolph's abortion-clinic bombings to that list, too. Ted Kaczinski (the Unabomber) can also be considered a terrorist, as can the bombers and arsonists associated with the Earth Liberation Front and Animal Liberation Front.

The two attacks on the World Trade Center are the only known attacks, by FOREIGN terrorists.
post #19 of 71
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You make it sound like America was riddled with terrorism, when, as far as I know (and I'm no American), 9/11 was the ONLY terrorist attack. At least, the only one that's ever commented on and mentioned (if there were others, I'd have heard about it, and I wouldn't be under the impression that 9/11 was the only American terrorist attack).
Isn't that enough? And don't forget the Pentagon and the first WTC bombing in 1993.

My point is, if Clinton would have done more after the first WTC bombing in 1993 maybe 9-11 wouldn't have happened.

And NOW, I heard last night that our illustrious House took away the protection for whistle blowers, nice real nice.
post #20 of 71
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
But that has nothing to do with Bin Laden, which was my point-- we should be looking for him, because he is still at large and evidence suggests that al Qaeda has strengthened since we've been distracted and engaged elsewhere. IE-- this war has made us significantly less safe and more vulnerable to attack, because it has left the actual enemy, who really did successfully attack us, to regroup and gain strength in a country with nuclear arms.
And the more that we allow them to strengthen, the more damage they'll do when/if they attack... and what's that give us, boys and girls? More reason to go to another war.... or to continue a misdirected war already started...
post #21 of 71
I want proof that he's dead before i believe it.
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I want proof that he's dead before i believe it.
I want to see his head on a stake.
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I want to see his head on a stake.
That would do me
post #24 of 71
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Remember how they showed pictures of Sadaam and his two sons so people would believe they were dead. I thought that was SO grisly but they said people wouldn't believe they were dead unless they saw their dead bodies.
post #25 of 71
Eew...I have absolutely NO NEED to see his dead body.

Remember when sadaam's hanging was all over the internet!?


Some things are just completely crude and animalistic. I'd really like to hope we, as evolved human beings, wouldn't need to see such gore to feel richeously satisfied.
post #26 of 71
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Remember how they showed pictures of Sadaam and his two sons so people would believe they were dead. I thought that was SO grisly but they said people wouldn't believe they were dead unless they saw their dead bodies.
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I'd really like to hope we, as evolved human beings, wouldn't need to see such gore to feel richeously satisfied.
I do remember those pictures, and as gory as they were it satisfied me to know that they were dead after what they did, so the same goes for Bin Laden after he took all those innocent lives.
post #27 of 71
I hold much more ill will for Bin Laden than I do for Saddam. Regardless of how Saddam ran his country, truly, he was in compliance with what the US wanted, and in all honesty, he wasn't running his country any differently than a lot of *other* countries are being run.. and while surely no American would live that way, it is the way of life for the people in those countries, and it's what they're used to. In much the same way as people who are incarcerated for 40 years get out of jail and then do something to get back into jail because they don't know how to live in the real world...it's the same thing for people in countries that are a different political and ethical structure from ours. We don't see it as being right for anybody, but that's not necessarily the case. Anyway..I was going somewhere else in this convo when I got sidetracked (imagine that) and I was going to say that I remember several years ago when they said that they'd thought they'd gotten Bin Laden a number of times, but they just never could be sure because he had so many people around him that were identical to him. They could only ever be sure that it was Bin Laden by DNA and many of the recordings that he did were suspected to have been recorded by others to throw people off track as to where he really was.
post #28 of 71
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Sadaam used biological weapons on his own people and murdered thousands and buried them in mass graves. He had rape rooms. He paid off palestinian suicide bombers families. That is NOT okay with me.
post #29 of 71
I didn't say it was okay with me either. What I said was he's not the only political leader in the world that does this kind of thing. He's just the only one that the US targetted. His people, in his country, such as it were before the US went in, were used to what was happening, and the many times I've talked to citizens, they would often say that it's not as bad as people think, and that citizens of that country were happy with their lives under his reign, regardless of what we thought about it.

Now, Osama brought it to our soil. Here we are, we're going after a man that was no threat to our country, and letting the one that is responsible for deaths of American citizens and attacks on our soil pretty go unhindered.. if the war had been in Afghanistan, I'd be behind it 100%. We should be trying to find and suppress Osama with all the enthusiasm that we're invading Iraq with.

As far as I'm concerned, the US is now just as guilty of the things that you just stated that Saddam is guilty of. Our soldiers have raped Iraqis. Bush is now responsible for killing more Iraqis than Saddam was guilty of. We used bombs and missiles instead of biological weapons..and probably they're buried in mass graves, if there were enough pieces to put together for it. Surely they weren't able to identify the bodies in a lot of cases after they were blown apart by our weapons. Bush is now also responsible for the deaths of more US citizens then the attacks from 9/11. And where is Osama in all of this??? Um.. alive, I'm sure, and still eluding the US where he might not have been had the US gone after him with the same gusto.

My point here is we should have been concentrating on Osama, not Suddam.
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Regardless of how Saddam ran his country, truly, he was in compliance with what the US wanted, and in all honesty, he wasn't running his country any differently than a lot of *other* countries are being run.. and while surely no American would live that way, it is the way of life for the people in those countries, and it's what they're used to.
This is what I've been saying for a long time.

There are major human atrocities going on all over the world and it seems as though the US governement and media has citizens duped into thinking we're the rescue rangers and stop all ill will in every country by super publicizing all of Sadaam's faults.

I'm not saying anything he did was good, but Americans need to broaden their spectrum when it comes to evil around the world and not just read and listen to what the government and/or media is spoon feeding us for their own benefit.
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