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post #31 of 48
7/20/07 at 12:39pm
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
I do believe Wal-Mart has and is doing illegal things. You know, like hiring illegal immigrants. Or any number of other things. Monopolies are illegal.
Monopolies????Wal-Mart is not the only store out there. There is still Targets, K-Marts, Family Dollar, Dollar Tree, Dollar General, Big Lots, Harvey's, Food Lions, Kroger's, Publix and many many other stores out there. Shop at one of them.

Wal-Mart is not the only store in my small town we have Wal-Mart, K-Mart, Dollar General, Dollar Tree, Rick's Meat Market, Fresh Produce store (local owned and operated), Harvery's (grocery store), and many others. Wal-Mart does not have a monopoly.

Yes I defend Wal-Mart. They pat my bills, keep a roof over our head and food and clothes on our back. They pay my husband decent money. They treat us good. They allow my husband time off several times a year when we have to take my son to his doctor in upstate. Yes we are treated well there. So yes I do defend the people that employee my husband and treat us well.
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post #32 of 48
7/20/07 at 12:56pm
So, with that mind-set, big business NEVER do anything good, they ALL have an ulterior motive.

I don't want to feel like that.

My brother owns his own business. He has donated material for an addition to the domestic violence woman's shelter. He did NOT do it with ulterior motives, he did it because he is a good person and believes in the cause.

I think that is wrong to paint all business' with the same broad brush that none of them do anything just for the good of the deed. IMO that is a very jaded opinion and I don't want to feel like that. There IS still good in the world.
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post #33 of 48
7/20/07 at 1:29pm
I don't judge or put people down for their opinions or viewpoints but unfortunately our opinions and viewpoints often stem from what we "hear" in the media or by gossip or whatever. I do it too - we are all human. I do, however, try to evaluate what I hear or read with an open mind and know that often information is twisted to give one side or the other the best or worst spin on things. Before I solidify my opinion I want to see the actual real facts and data - not rumour or media coverage.

I do believe most companies will try to give to the community in which they are a part, i.e., one US company in our area pays their employees' wages for a day in which the employee will be a volunteer for some charitable organization.

As for unions (which I do believe is part of the negative Walmart image), I've seen companies forced out of business by unions demanding unrealistic perks. I personally have no use for unions - they had a purpose after WWII and were a good thing - now they abuse their power IMO. Our daughter was working briefly for a company and was told she had no choice but to belong to the union. That's just wrong IMO.
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post #34 of 48
7/20/07 at 1:31pm
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Originally Posted by Ping View Post
Monopolies????Wal-Mart is not the only store out there. There is still Targets, K-Marts, Family Dollar, Dollar Tree, Dollar General, Big Lots, Harvey's, Food Lions, Kroger's, Publix and many many other stores out there. Shop at one of them.

In order for Walmart to be considered a "monopoly" they would have to run down Target, Kmart, and all of their competitors. They would have to be the only store nation-wide for people to shop at. AT&T I believe was the last company to have a monopoly. The only reason why they're allowed to come back is because competition is available.
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post #35 of 48
7/20/07 at 6:53pm
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Originally Posted by valanhb View Post
Of course Wal Mart is out to make a buck. That's capitalism, right?

The real question is, though, do parents really think that the child's play time will actually be more righteous just because of the toys they give them? Kids have active imaginations, and I just don't think that they will be playing like Rod and Todd Flanders (The Simpsons - yeah, I do watch too much TV!) just because you switch them from Optimus Prime to Jesus.
And I can picture how we played with toys like these as a kid. Put the dolls (Barbie and full sized GI Joe) in the back of a tonka truck and pretend they are at a drive-in making out (behavior modeled after my older sister). I just can't picture playing with a Jesus doll.
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post #36 of 48
7/20/07 at 7:23pm
am i still missing something?

cause what is the big deal, about selling a toy.
they sale toys based ghosts, and super villians etc,, gee its a TOY

z'mom there is also nothing wrong with a store that sets and follows what it seems to think are morals \\

as a side note, i dont shop at wally words for much the same reason for edits to movies and music, and cause everytime i go there, my views on birthcontrol and retro active birth control change.
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post #37 of 48
7/20/07 at 10:32pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
So, with that mind-set, big business NEVER do anything good, they ALL have an ulterior motive.

I don't want to feel like that.

My brother owns his own business. He has donated material for an addition to the domestic violence woman's shelter. He did NOT do it with ulterior motives, he did it because he is a good person and believes in the cause.

I think that is wrong to paint all business' with the same broad brush that none of them do anything just for the good of the deed. IMO that is a very jaded opinion and I don't want to feel like that. There IS still good in the world.
Big business and your brother's business are not the same thing. But the bottom line of any business is about money, otherwise they would be non-profits and most of us would be out of a job, including me.

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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
z'mom there is also nothing wrong with a store that sets and follows what it seems to think are morals \\

as a side note, i dont shop at wally words for much the same reason for edits to movies and music, and cause everytime i go there, my views on birthcontrol and retro active birth control change.
I have no problem with stores having their own agendas and acting on them. I do have a problem with companies who do this and don't make it clear what they're doing-- as with the dvds, cds, etc. If they clearly labeled that they had been edited for content, I would have absolutely no issue with it.

I do not form opinions loosely or without information from sources other than the evening news. I know you guys don't either.

So I am going to go ahead and give you a few links to the other side. Of course there are counterpoints to pretty much everything, and both sides are equally biased and valid.
http://walmartwatch.com/
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0825-22.htm
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...m/protest.html

First one, extremely anti-Walmart. Second one a book review of someone who is anti-Walmart but much less biased. Third one, PBS, and if you are willing to read any of them it should be that one. It isn't anti-anything, but it does present some of the problems I have with BOTH sides, Walmart's and the people who are not fans.
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post #38 of 48
7/21/07 at 7:41am
I'm going to shop where I get the best bang for my buck. WalMart sells my cats' food, at HALF the price of PetsMart and Petco. Target doesn't even stock it.

As for these toys, I'd rather see my granddaughters play with Biblical-themed toys, than Bratz dolls. Over the years, I've seen numerous "Noah's Ark" toys and, to my knowledge, no one has ever made a fuss about THOSE.
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post #39 of 48
7/21/07 at 8:08am
but i want my bin laden toys, and my suicide bomber also*
hehe and yes they do make those.
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post #40 of 48
7/21/07 at 8:50am
I will read the links but haven't yet. But PBS is left-wing for sure.
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post #41 of 48
7/22/07 at 6:11am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I will read the links but haven't yet. But PBS is left-wing for sure.
Right because Antiques Road show is the platform of the Liberal agenda.


In reality, I have no problem with a store stocking a carrying religious toys. If people are made uncomfortable by them there's a Target down the street that will take their money in a second.

There's an vintage toy shop in our area that has a whole section on Christian toys that go back through till the 1920's. Some of them are cute, and some of them make me scratch my head. For example, there's a tin version of the Noah's Arch that includes and elephant. For some reason the elephant doesn't fit inside the Arch. I wonder if it was in their grand scheme to make the poor thing swim for 40 days.
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post #42 of 48
7/22/07 at 9:39pm
[quote=lookingglass;1895377] For some reason the elephant doesn't fit inside the Arch. I wonder if it was in their grand scheme to make the poor thing swim for 40 days.[/QUOT]

elephants where tapped to the bottom and used to make the ark float better/
they just stick up there trunks to breathe when needed
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post #43 of 48
7/23/07 at 8:36am
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Originally Posted by lookingglass View Post
For some reason the elephant doesn't fit inside the Arch. I wonder if it was in their grand scheme to make the poor thing swim for 40 days.[/QUOT]

elephants where tapped to the bottom and used to make the ark float better/
they just stick up there trunks to breathe when needed
Ah... good to know.

My favorite toy they have in the Christian section is a very beautiful version of Johnna and the Whale. It was created in the 1940's and is in tin and glass. I can see a collector or perhaps a Church member coming in and snapping that up. One could really make that into a show piece if they wanted to.
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post #44 of 48
7/23/07 at 7:28pm
[quote=lookingglass;1896758]
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post

Ah... good to know.

My favorite toy they have in the Christian section is a very beautiful version of Johnna and the Wale. It was created in the 1940's and is in tin and glass. I can see a collector or perhaps a Church member coming in and snapping that up. One could really make that into a show piece if they wanted to.
Be fine, if that was accurate. Jonah was not swallowed by a WHALE. The Bible says, "The Lord prepared a great FISH (caps mine)".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Jonah
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post #45 of 48
7/24/07 at 6:54am
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
That's the beauty of having choices. If we all liked the same things, how boring would that be! Some folks felt that Payless drove out some of our shoes stores but having said that, once Payless came to our town I was then able to buy ladies shoes to fit out daughter instead of having to buy her men's shoes like I had to do when she was in high school. So there's good and bad.
The problem is that Walmart and megalo Walmarts ELIMINATE choices when they descend upon a town and wipe out all the other competing stores (some that have been in business 50 years and family owned .

They are like locusts. I hate Sam Walton and everything the place stands for. Not to mention, they decimate an area, put up a football field parking lot and look absolutely hideous.

I love that they are only in the suburbs in my city and can't come into the city proper. (sigh of relief)....

On the subject of the toys, I could give a fig. It doesn't surprise me.

(but I would rather pray err...play with Spiderman)
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post #46 of 48
7/24/07 at 9:34am
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Originally Posted by Loveysmummy View Post
The problem is that Walmart and megalo Walmarts ELIMINATE choices when they descend upon a town and wipe out all the other competing stores (some that have been in business 50 years and family owned .
This does not happen everywhere tho. It has not happened in my small rural town and Wal-Mart has been here 8yrs. Small businesses are still going strong. The only store that closed here was Winn-Dixie 2 yrs ago but that was because the store as a whole went bankrupt nation wide I believe.
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post #47 of 48
7/24/07 at 9:37am
[quote=katl8e;1897689]
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Originally Posted by lookingglass View Post

Be fine, if that was accurate. Jonah was not swallowed by a WHALE. The Bible says, "The Lord prepared a great FISH (caps mine)".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Jonah
Well I suppose that's why it hasn't sold!
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post #48 of 48
7/24/07 at 9:53am
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Originally Posted by Loveysmummy View Post
...They are like locusts. I hate Sam Walton and everything the place stands for.
I don't believe the current Walmart incarnation is anything like what Sam Walton would have wanted. I have some knowledge of Walmart before Sam Walton's death and it's a totally different company today in many ways. In some ways it's the same, but in other ways it's unrecognizable. I think old Sam would be shaking his head if he knew.
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