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RIAA has been going after University students...do they have a reason to be mad?

post #1 of 11
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I was just looking around on Facebook and noticed how many anti-RIAA groups there are specifically due to the series of letters that are being sent to universities (where some of the universities are forwarding them on) asking students to settle at $3,000. The students are very angry that "no one is helping us," or "no one told us that it was wrong."

From what I understand, if they settle at the $3k, they won't be taken to court and sued for $750 per infraction (infraction meaning songs uploaded, not downloaded).

Here is a general article:

http://news.com.com/2100-1025_3-6066118.html - RIAA sends letters to university presidents.

Purdue specific article:

http://news.uns.purdue.edu/x/2007a/0...bergMusic.html - Purdue's announcement stating it will forward settlement letters, but only release names if subpoenaed.

Now, the RIAA won't receive the names of the students unless subpoenaed, but Purdue will forward letters to the students (or IPs) of those sent from the RIAA (see above article). If the students settle, all is done. If they don't, the RIAA will file John Doe lawsuits, and then subpoena Purdue for the students' information.

My stance: For years the RIAA has made threats, talked big, and are now acting on it. For years, these students have known that downloading (and uploading) copyrighted material is ILLEGAL, yet they still did it (btw, IP addresses in the residence halls at Purdue are registered to each user, so an IP address is the same as a name here).

Ignorance of the law, does not make it OK to break it (how they could be ignorant of the law, I have no clue). They broke the law, they have been caught, and they should deal with the consequences of their actions. They are ADULTS, and should behave as such. I believe it is time to let the "entitlement" generation take responsibility, and stop giving into their demands.

Do I think the RIAA should be taking such drastic measures? No, I think they are evil and they are bullies, but they have the law on their side and I will abide by that. Just because you don't like a law, doesn't mean you can get away with breaking it.

I think the only students that have a right to be angry are those who may have compromised machines acting as "bots" releasing the material. But all they have to do then is prove it.
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What about you?
post #2 of 11
I think that though the RIAA are being a little overboard on the fines (heck isn't stealing cable less of a fine than stealing music?).

Yes, they don't necessarily care what the students download...they only care about the files that placed in a folder that are made available to the other peer-to-peer networks. This is set up by default when you download the software (such as KaZaA or WinMX or Limewire) and many people (not just students) do not understand or know about this.

The only reason why the RIAA is doing something now is because they have the ability to enforce the law. When you copied music to a tape or created your "own" tape the RIAA couldn't enforce the law because they had no way of linking you to making the tape for your friend. The only way I could think of is if a RIAA rep was in the car next to yours, overheard your tape, realised it was copied and you fessed up that your friend made it for you.
With IP Addresses this links your computer to your guilt, if you will. Possibly many students in the dorms are sharing computers and a roommate maybe downloading the music, but the computer owner gets in trouble.

Plus I don't think its strictly ignorance of the law, even though many students will claim that. Students have obtained fake IDs for years to purchase alcohol, knowingly breaking the law, but they just don't care.

PS, here's a copy of the Digital Millenium Copyright Act of 1998. Here's a pretty good overview of the act.
post #3 of 11
I positively hate this. To make it clear, I don't think they're talking about school computers, they're talking about private computers in dorms and such. They're ripe for the picking because they know for the most part their parents will pay for it. That is disgusting. Sue every single person who uploads a song, or don't sue any of them.

They are singling out 18 and 19 year-old college students who live in dorms, because it is so easy to do it. They can collect a mass of information by tracking what goes to the school's network and then the school has to release who the computers belong to that it came from.

They sued a girl while I was at Kent State for having downloaded a couple of songs-- and that is what the man in charge of the school's network told us on the lecture he had to come around and give.
post #4 of 11
Yup, it's the classic "make an example" of the easiest targets. RIAA is evil, and I don't believe for one minute that the internet is the reason that record sales went down the tubes. It was because they put out garbage that no one wanted to waste money on.

However, at the same time...the whole "I didn't know" thing may have worked when Napster first came out, but you'd have to live under a rock not to know that you could be sued for downloading and uploading songs now. A rock without a computer. Seriously, there has always been a ton of music swapping on college campuses - they just need to find a better way that RIAA can't track. You know, like the old fashioned way (kinda) of just copying music from people you KNOW.
post #5 of 11
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Originally Posted by valanhb View Post
Seriously, there has always been a ton of music swapping on college campuses - they just need to find a better way that RIAA can't track. You know, like the old fashioned way (kinda) of just copying music from people you KNOW.
Exactly...like someone legitimately downloading music from iTunes and they pool 10 people together, Then burn copies onto a CD and viola! You have 200 songs for next to nothing.

I agree too...I stopped buying CDs because the only thing I cared about was the No 1 song on their album...most of the time the rest of the CD stunk.
post #6 of 11
WHAT?! Celebrities and the people who own their souls are going to have to live in slightly less filthy rich lifestyles? Nuh uh!

I think the kids understand that they're risking it. They know the consequences, they're just bitching about it when they get caught. But that's the attitude we young adults take with everything--it won't happen to us.
post #7 of 11
I do have to agree with everyone that neither students nor RIAA is doing the right thing. Greed has possessed the RIAA, just utterly consumed it. They can no longer think logically or practically anymore and they've developed a psychosis that all consumers are out to get them. The people running the RIAA really should be seen by someone to judge where this paranoia is coming from (something reeks of meth or other drug use to me).

The students are just being students. They've been like that since the beginning of time. It's just a phase that most growing people go through. They run like the wind thinking they're getting something for free and then when they get caught it's "Waa, everyone's picking on me, sob sob, I've done nothing wrong, those bullies are doing more wrong than me". I'm sure almost everyone here on the forums has gone through an ignorant stage, even the ones that had very strict parents that would rain hell upon you if you did anything wrong. People have to learn sometime or another, and if they want to learn it the hard way, then so be it is what I say.

Me, I'm doing my own form of protest. I absolutely REFUSE to buy new CD's and I hardly listen to any american music. I usually pick through the used CD's at the record stores or garage sales (surprising but you can find fairly new releases for like half price or less). Or I'll listen to indy bands that hand out free CD's. I do rip all the CD's and re-encode them to .FLAC (high fidelity audio file), just for convenience. Besides, most of the heavily commercialized music nowadays is utter crap. Hey! Maybe the RIAA will finally understand that, finally find some talented artists, setup more ethical business practices, and maybe make some honest money! Ha! In your dreams...
post #8 of 11
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Originally Posted by Fiery View Post
I think the kids understand that they're risking it. They know the consequences, they're just bitching about it when they get caught. But that's the attitude we young adults take with everything--it won't happen to us.
I know WAAAAAYYY too many adults that are like that too.
post #9 of 11
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Originally Posted by Fiery View Post
WHAT?! Celebrities and the people who own their souls are going to have to live in slightly less filthy rich lifestyles? Nuh uh!
I'm really torn over this. I rip CDs and used to download off Limewire, but at the same time I know people who slave over their music, and would be upset that someone could like their songs enough to want to own them, but be unwilling to pay to get it legit. My dad was in a band, and is now a record producer, and the people he works with often work LONG hours to be able to afford to be musicians. While I doubt J-Lo is losing sleep over illegal downloads (and i don't exactly care if she is ), newish bands often need all the sales they can get to stay signed.
Most casual users who download illegally are teens and uni students, and aren't exactly famed for rolling in money, the record companies are just getting desperate to hold on to their (already huge amounts of) money.
post #10 of 11
Last week there was an article about an area college student who was in this roundup of illegal downloading and sharing. She paid the $4K fine (via CC).
She claimed she had downloaded many of her own CD's on her computer and didn't know the software was set to file sharing. Well if you are going to have that type of software on your computer you better know how it works.
She claimed she knew that downloading music this way was illegal but didn't think she would ever get caught. HELLO!!! wake up to the real world dearie.
To me another young adult who thinks she is entitled to do whatever she wants. I hope many college kids learn a lesson from this and pay the fine from their own money instead of relying on mommy and daddy to help.
post #11 of 11
They're heeeeeeeeere....

17 students here are being traced through the dorm internet service to be targeted.

It is so obvious that they're only going after on-campus students, it hurts. They're basically forcing the universities to do their work for them, and they know it generates publicity. Makes me ill.
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