Pedigree paper

I see.
His is a CTS 0500 number.

I appreciate everyones help. Thank you.

GoldenKitty, does that mean I "could" show him? since there is nothing to say he can't be.

Well yeah you could show him - post some pics and I'll evaluate him for show potential (head shot, body shot).

Most people don't bother to register a pet quality cat.

Originally Posted by DIEGO

All 3 generations have numbers,
some CTS, CFA, JCU, PCC, ACFA, and KLCC.

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JCU is the Japan Cat Union, CFA and ACFA... What the heck was this cat doing being sold in a pet shop???? I really must check this out ... will ask the Japanese judges this coming weekend in Bangkok! I can only assume that the breeder did not want the cat registered with CFA or JCU for some reason. Usually only happens with pet quality cats though....

And GK is not quite correct - at least for CFA.

You can register the cat under CFA as something else. The only thing you MUST keep is the cattery name (which I assume it to be Like Life Cat). In any respect, you have 35 spaces for cat name registration for CFA and you got loads of space to add the extra names. It is customary to keep the name given and add on anyway!

The only time you MUST keep the registered name is if the cat has already been shown and has started to accumulate points. I only happen to know this because Sleepy's (registered name is Masmera Putera Manja which means the affectionate prince) new owner wanted to change his name and we found out we couldn't because he'd already been shown prior to the purchase.

I hope this helps!

Actually I do have 1 more question. All of the pedigree is written in black except 2x grandparents and 2x great grandparents, whose info has been written in red.
Any ideas, why they might be written in red?

3x JCU, 2xCFA and 2x ACFA, are in his pedigree. I will try scan it tomorrow to upload, its a little bit big so not sure it will fit into my scanner.


GoldenKitty, I will need to post the pics tomorrow, my internet is running too slow to upload pics.

Adilah, IF the cat has a name and a number in CFA, it cannot be re-registered. Now if the cat has never been registered in CFA, THEN it could be registered with the proper paperwork. I think its a required 5-7 generation pedigree that must accompany the CFA registration request. I remember checking it for Amanda on Demetri.

It is odd that the kitten has been registered with a name/number and then bought from a pet shop.

But stranger things happen. It could be good enough for show.

Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45

Adilah, IF the cat has a name and a number in CFA, it cannot be re-registered. Now if the cat has never been registered in CFA, THEN it could be registered with the proper paperwork. I think its a required 5-7 generation pedigree that must accompany the CFA registration request. I remember checking it for Amanda on Demetri.

It is odd that the kitten has been registered with a name/number and then bought from a pet shop.

But stranger things happen. It could be good enough for show.

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Nope, you're wrong there! If a cat has been registered with CFA, has a registration number BUT has never been shown, you CAN change the cat's registered name - it just costs money to do so - all you have to do is keep the prefix and you're good to go. The registration number does not change. Seriously, we have changed cat's names over here - you require written permission from the previous owner(s) if any and/or the breeder's consent.

Lemme check on how many generation pedigree is required for Russian Blues - but most breeds it's 5, only Abys and Siamese require 8 and not many cats require 3...

ETA: Here's the link for registering cats in CFA!
http://www.cfa.org/faq/faq-registration.html

And, I've checked - you do require an 8 gen pedigree for Russian Blues ... It's all there on the link above...

Really? I thought once it had a name/number (shown or not) it couldn't be changed....learn something new every day

WOW this is so interesting. Even though I love cats to bits I never did any research into registering cats as I never thought I'd own a pure breed so soon. (actually I never thought I'd own another cat)

Here's 2 links http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=133217
http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=132849
to a thread which has some pics of Diego, they probably aren't the best photo's, he doesn't like to sit still, but I can't wait til tomorrow, to see what you think of him. Show quality wise.

I'd try him in one show. He seems to have pretty good quality. Not sure what the written starndards are for the other associations other then CFA/ACFA. They both want a wider ear set; however the more Europeon type has closer ear set.

Why not research the other associations he's registered in and look at the standard/description and see if he fits.

The color, density of coat, and eye color are pretty good for his age.

Originally Posted by DIEGO

Actually I do have 1 more question. All of the pedigree is written in black except 2x grandparents and 2x great grandparents, whose info has been written in red.
Any ideas, why they might be written in red?

3x JCU, 2xCFA and 2x ACFA, are in his pedigree. I will try scan it tomorrow to upload, its a little bit big so not sure it will fit into my scanner.


GoldenKitty, I will need to post the pics tomorrow, my internet is running too slow to upload pics.

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Completely missed this post, sorry. My understanding (at least with JCU - since my foundation cats are both JCU and CFA) is that the ones in red means the cats were not registered (or in this case, re-registered aka dual registered) in Japan, but only in the US. CFA/ACFA are widely recognised registries and there's usually no need to prove ancestry and/or titles, just the registration is sufficient.

Personally, it would be interesting for me at least, to know which bloodlines you baby carries since he carries CFA/ACFA lines.

I can't comment on the quality of Diego - I know next to nothing of RBs except of the breed standard but the interpretation of the standard is something completely alien to me. What I can say is.... he's gorgeous!

Can you give us the names of the cattery of those cats that are CFA or ACFA registered. I know a lot of the RB catteries and might be able to tell more.

Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45

I'd try him in one show. He seems to have pretty good quality. Not sure what the written starndards are for the other associations other then CFA/ACFA. They both want a wider ear set; however the more Europeon type has closer ear set.

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His ears should be wider?

Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45

Why not research the other associations he's registered in and look at the standard/description and see if he fits.

The color, density of coat, and eye color are pretty good for his age.

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Do you mean the associations that his parents, grand and great grandparents are registered with? coz he is only registered with CTS and I couldn't find any info on the net, nothing at all came up.

Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45

Can you give us the names of the cattery of those cats that are CFA or ACFA registered. I know a lot of the RB catteries and might be able to tell more.

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In some I'm not sure which part is the cattery and which part is the cats name so will write it all.

We have,
ACFA CH. Rainbow House Blue Doragon (think they spelt that using the phonetic system so should be Dragon) of Honky Kitten.

ACFA Ch, Honky Kitten Al-Aqua

Candy Rena Sohsuke (CFA)

and, CFA Ch, Fieldman Diamond Blue of Creek Canal

This is the standard (American) for Russian Blues

http://www.cfainc.org/breeds/profiles/russian.html

The weird thing is I tried finding the catteries of the cats listed and even some of the cats. Can't find anything - no cattery, etc. None of the names are familar with the major RB catteries. Even tried finding the ACFA Champion one listed and nothing.

Can't find the CTS either - what is the association stand for? Is there any indication exactly what it is.

Since I can't find any legit info, there is a possiblity of this kitten having fake papers/pedigree. With it being out of a pet shop, its very possible too. I know that sometimes in American pet shops, they do falsify papers on dogs/cats. Your kitten looks very much RB and probably is, but without having the real papers we can't be sure. If you want to show him, show him in the HHP classes.

Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45

Can't find the CTS either - what is the association stand for? Is there any indication exactly what it is.

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CTS is Cat Technical Service, and theres nothing under that on Google.
I'm just going to try upload the pedigree now, maybe I'm still not quite clued up on how to read it properly

could you post a pic of his pedigree papers for people to see, there's just so much information, i think it would be easier for everyone to see it themselves...

Well some of its written in Japanese, so its really hard to see. He sent me a copy but you really can't read it.

I'm not sure what to think. It looks like a copy of a pedigree, but since I'm not coming up with anything legit on the cats, it could be fake papers/pedigree.

Maybe we can trace something by one of the cat's numbers (either CFA or ACFA) but I'm not sure how to do that.

I can post the same copy I sent to GoldenKitty, Its too big to fit into my scanner. I have to link it too coz if I resize it for TCS standards it might be harder to read.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d5...goPedigree.jpg

FYI, the main reasons for all these questions is 1 I want to make sure I got what I paid for, In USD it sounds fair but in NZD its a bit more than what you would pay. 2) I would like to show him, even if he won't do too well, I can at least say to myself, I've showed a cat.

I've sent you a pm!

For the one CFA registered queen in the 3rd generation, Fieldmoon Diamond Blue, I found this:

http://pawpeds.com/db/?a=p&id=330712&g=4&p=rus&date=iso

This cat comes from originally Russian lines.

OK, now I'm totally confused. When I bought Simba I recieved papers in which to register him, with his pedigree information, but it stated that I would have to send in money to TICA in order to register him under the name I chose. It also said something to the effect that I should pick a few names, due to the fact that one of my names could already have been taken, and that they would give me the first name that was available. It also said on the pedigree paper that he was "pet", which I assumed meant he was sold as a pet quality animal.

I didn't bother to send it in, because I didn't intend on breeding him, nor did I intend on showing him. So, I would say that technically Simba is not registered and that is due to me not registering. However, I could have registered him (for a fee) if I wanted to.

I remember it did list some of his geneology on both sides and I checked that information out, and they were both from from well known Bengal families or what ever you call it.

It's been over three years, and I've lost that paper unfortunately, but now I wonder if it was all fake or something, because he didn't all ready have a registered name, when I bought him. He did however come with the pedigree papers in which I could register him under TICA.