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So, Dick Cheney then?

post #1 of 25
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Dick Cheney claims he doesn't have to follow an order for the executive branch because he isn't part of the executive branch. Because of his duties in the legislative branch (ie, breaking a tie).

The Vice President isn't a member of the same branch as the President? Are ya serious?

Oh, and the Daily Show dug up a nice clip in response to the legislative branch telling him to do something, that he need not because he isn't part of the legislative branch. Huh.

So what is he?

How is Cheney above the law?

More pressingly, why the is he still in office?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/06/...ney.documents/
and before you protest that it's from a few weeks ago, he's still at it
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/07/....ap/index.html

Also, this shouldn't be a big deal: all they're asking him to do is tell them how many documents are classified and how many declassified. Not what's in those documents, nothing. Why is he doing this? Aside from him establishing his own classification of Secret/SCI (which is pretty much meaningless) I don't even see what he doesn't want us to know.
post #2 of 25
they wont be in office much longer.
you know, many people(along with myself) thought that cheney was a good choice. But i think this Bush has made every attempt at being different from his father as he could find. Instead of hiring many of the time same people that worked fro his father(who i think was much betterat forgin policy)

the sad part is once again we are being faced with a lack of chocies. Dems are not putting up people that i think most of america will get behind, Mccain campaign is falling apart.
post #3 of 25
I think he may have a problem with authority.
post #4 of 25
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I think he may have a problem with authority.
May? Cindy you are being too kind. Saying that he has a problem with authority is like calling water "a bit" wet.
post #5 of 25
Cheney cut his political teeth during Nixon and Ford. He resented how much power was pulled from the executive branch and it is his goal to restore that power. He has always been the power behind the throne.
post #6 of 25
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Cheney cut his political teeth during Nixon and Ford. He resented how much power was pulled from the executive branch and it is his goal to restore that power. He has always been the power behind the throne.


I read an article a few years ago about him. Everyone that knows him said the same thing. He doesn't care about being right in his lifetime - he just wants to be proven right. About terrorism, about WMD, etc. Doesn't matter to him that everyone critiques the crap out of him now, he believes with every fiber of his being in the things that he knows to be true, and fights for them.

Everyone who thinks Bush is a war monger has no idea what Cheney and Rummie would have unleashed without W in the way. To my great satisfaction I will proudly admit.
post #7 of 25
I got an idea. If he's not part of the executive branch, and not part of the legislative branch, let's not either one of those branches pay him! You think he would quit pretty quick (we can only hope)!

His "approval" rating is 13% right now. I'm actually surprised its that high.

We call him "Darth Cheney" around here.
post #8 of 25
That is something I didn't realize. I watched a bunch of episodes on History called, "The Presidents" Like a 15 minute synopsis of each Prez.
In the late 1800's many presidents just kicked back and gave Congress much authority. The TR took alot back.

I never realized that there is so much, well, "looseness" (for want of a better word) between the Executive Office and the Congress that the Prez can give authority up to Congress, then when a new Prez gets in he can take it back.
I don't understand how that works.

I do believe that Cheney and Bush take the muslim extremist threat much more seriously than say, Edwards and his bumper sticker.
post #9 of 25
[quote][ Dick Cheney was the secretary of defense during the Gulf War under the father George Bush. He has foreign policy expertise.
/QUOTE]

GW chose Cheyney because he was associated with his fathers term.

I think he is not cooperating because he has a LOT to hide.
It is either total injcompetence, or total treason.
Probably underhanded oil dealings, adding to his tremendous, greedy, wealth.

Can't wait for the BIG ONE to get him.
post #10 of 25
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Dude, that's just it though. There is nothing I can imagine that could be revealed by releasing what he is refusing to release.

This is a routine thing that never would have made the news if not for his refusal. He's not being asked to release any documents, only a count. The number of documents he has classified and the number he has declassified.

If he has done something so ridiculously wrong that two numbers will condemn him, I can't imagine what would happen if we actually knew what he did wrong.

What is it with today's political climate, are people just too sick of it to be outraged anymore? Does nothing surprise us? Politicians in general seem to be getting away with more hypocrisy and underhandedness than ever and it's really sad.
post #11 of 25
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What is it with today's political climate, are people just too sick of it to be outraged anymore? Does nothing surprise us? Politicians in general seem to be getting away with more hypocrisy and underhandedness than ever and it's really sad.
I totally agree with that, Julie. Both sides have just seemed to lose all common sense. They have gone to both sides of the extreme and none of it is good for the American people.

I dunno. Maybe I'm just really disgruntled today. But I'm really sick of those in charge - on both sides - being so out of touch and holding out such a air of superiority.
post #12 of 25
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the sad part is once again we are being faced with a lack of chocies. Dems are not putting up people that i think most of america will get behind, Mccain campaign is falling apart.
Said it before, and saying it again....

I'm writing in Ellen DeGeneres for President
post #13 of 25
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What is it with today's political climate, are people just too sick of it to be outraged anymore? Does nothing surprise us? Politicians in general seem to be getting away with more hypocrisy and underhandedness than ever and it's really sad.
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I totally agree with that, Julie. Both sides have just seemed to lose all common sense. They have gone to both sides of the extreme and none of it is good for the American people.

I dunno. Maybe I'm just really disgruntled today. But I'm really sick of those in charge - on both sides - being so out of touch and holding out such a air of superiority.
thatis more or else how i have felt, since clinton was elected.
listening to these people talk, just make me want to

to bad over throwing the goverment is to much like work.
post #14 of 25
I think Bush and Cheney have a lot to hide.
post #15 of 25
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I got an idea. If he's not part of the executive branch, and not part of the legislative branch, let's not either one of those branches pay him! You think he would quit pretty quick (we can only hope)!.
I LIKE that idea!! Unfortunately, he's so rich he doesn't need the money.
post #16 of 25
My sister just told me that Cheney has made himself a National Monument, because National Monuments aren't subject to the law.
post #17 of 25
I really, really like Cheney, he don't take no guff from nobody.

I don't think to much of appeasers but I like meezers.
post #18 of 25
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I really, really like Cheney
You must be the one person in America. What's his approval rating, like 1%?
post #19 of 25
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they wont be in office much longer.
Yeah, there are a bunch of rallies in the town next to mind holding up signs that say "01.20.09".

I'm even seeing bumber stickers.
post #20 of 25
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You must be the one person in America. What's his approval rating, like 1%?

Nah, I think it is 1% more than Congresses approval rating.

That is another thing I like about him, he marches to his own drummer and doesn't seem to give a fig about approval ratings.
post #21 of 25
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Nah, I think it is 1% more than Congresses approval rating.

That is another thing I like about him, he marches to his own drummer and doesn't seem to give a fig about approval ratings.
He doesn't seem to give a fig about voters, either, i.e., the will of the public. I suppose he never heard, "...of the people, for the people". Not to mention laws, the highest of which is the Constitution. Hmmm, human rights would be another area he appears to disregard.
post #22 of 25
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Nah, I think it is 1% more than Congresses approval rating.

That is another thing I like about him, he marches to his own drummer and doesn't seem to give a fig about approval ratings.
Approval ratings... WE are his BOSS. If he wants to march to his own drummer he should not have gone into public service. His job is to do what the American people want, and ignoring the fact that the American people are telling him he is not doing that is an outright refusal to do his job.

Cheney's is 21%, Bush's is somewhere in the low 30s, and Congress' is in the mid 20s.

None of them are doing their job. I say, let's fire them all.
post #23 of 25
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.... he marches to his own drummer ...
Just so long as he's not carrying a gun.
post #24 of 25
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Approval ratings...

Cheney's is 21%, Bush's is somewhere in the low 30s, and Congress' is in the mid 20s.
Last I saw, Cheney was 13% and Bush was 26%.
post #25 of 25
None of them do what the will of the American people is.

The recent Immigration Bill proved that. If it hadn't been for the TREMENDOUS outpouring of both parties they would have passed that bill in a NY second.
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