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post #1 of 28
Thread Starter 
I know this is an old Story, but it has recently resurfaced here in political circles as the scientists are nearing the end of their research into what index should be used for whether a person is underweight, normal, overweight, obese or morbidly obese, due to be released later this year.

According to the current BMI index, Will Smith, Brad Pitt, Matt Damon, Nicholas Cage, Tom Cruise, George Clooney and Arnold Schwarzenegger are all overweight to obese and while people strive to look like Hollywood Stars, it seems that is no longer enough.

The stigma attached to 'being obese' can be horrible, and many of the people classed as obese by the BMI scale are not (in my and obviously many scientists' opinions) 'really' obese, but are being held up against a scale that for the most part is not realistic in its measurement.

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BBC's who are you calling fat?
Fat-boy George and plump Pitt — looking at bodies in a new way

So, do you think that the current index is realistic or should it be changed to something more 'accurate' when considering muscle, frame and where weight is carried?
post #2 of 28
It should be changed. If Bradd Pitt is obese, I may as well go out and shoot myself because I am beyond help.
post #3 of 28
I absolutely think it should be changed, but I'm 100% biased. My BMI puts me into the "morbidly obese" range, which, if you look at me, I am very obviously not. I am overweight, yes, but not obese -- there's a difference. Even if I were to hit what my doctor thinks would be a healthy weight range for me -- about 165 lbs, twenty pounds left to go! -- I would still be considered overweight because I'm only 5'1". The BMI also doesn't take certain things into consideration ... like breasts. Despite having lost over thirty pounds, I remain generously overendowed, and my cup size hasn't changed one iota (although the band size has gone down dramatically); I have always been large-chested, even at my healthiest weight, and believe me, those puppies are heavy.

I am fat ... now. But even when I'm down to my healthiest weight -- which I will be -- I'm still overweight, even obese, according to BMI. Explain to me how that makes sense?
post #4 of 28
HUMMM... I hate to say I never used BMI since it was so inaccurate and any one with common sense know s it... the immersion test is great but unfortunately most folks cant get one..

waist to hip ratio will give you more of a health risk picture...
post #5 of 28
How ridiculous is that!.

None of those men looked obese to me
post #6 of 28
Thread Starter 
But BMI is what they officially use at a doctor's exam for insurance which can significantly raise the cost of the insurance premium
post #7 of 28
I don't like BMI. Mine says I am pre-obese. I am only 145 pounds. I mean yes I would like to lose 10-15 but that is for me. They don't factor in muscle to fat ratio or anything else for that matter.
post #8 of 28
I've tracked mine and it says that I'm boarder line overweight. Hmmm... well, I'm 5'7" and 160lbs- size 10. What gets me is that doesn't seem overweight to me at all & I know a lot of women who are the same size who consider that to be 'average'. They don't measure your muscle, or anything!

Stupid BMI. They don't know anything!

And as far as George & Brad being overweight/obsese? Jeez- they are gorgeous!
post #9 of 28
Thread Starter 
Some more with stats from the BMIscale.com (30 is the border between overweight and obese but the numbers are rounded so they have been put in the correct groups)

Overweight
Barry Bonds: 6'2": 228 lbs: 29
David Boreanaz: 6'2": 218 lbs: 28
Tom Brady: 6'4": 225 lbs: 27
President Bush: 5'11": 191 lbs: 26
Nic Cage: 6'1": 210 lbs: 28
George Clooney: 5'11": 211 lbs: 29
Tom Cruise: 5'7": 170 lbs: 26
Matt Damon: 5'11": 187 lbs: 26
Johnny Depp: 5'7": 190 lbs: 27
David Duchovny: 6'0": 212 lbs: 29
Vin Diesel: 6'2": 200 lbs: 26
Cheryl Ford: 6'3": 215 lbs:27
Harrison Ford: 6'1": 218 lbs: 29
Brendan Fraser: 6'3": 234 lbs: 29
Richard Gere: 5'11": 187 lbs: 26
Ethan Hawke: 5'9": 172 lbs: 25
Hugh Jackman: 6'2": 210 lbs: 27
Lebron James: 6'8": 240 lbs: 26
Dale Jarrett: 6'2": 200 lbs: 26
Bobby Labonte: 5'9": 170 lbs: 25
Nick Lachey: 5'10": 180 lbs: 26
Karl Malone: 6'9": 259 lbs: 28
Dr. Phil McGraw: 6'4": 240 lbs: 29
Mark McGuire (playing weight): 6'5": 250 lbs: 30
Donovan McNabb: 6'3": 240 lbs: 30
Yao Ming: 7'6": 310 lbs: 27
Brad Pitt: 6'0": 203 lbs: 28
Keanu Reeves: 6'1": 223 lbs: 29
Cal Ripken: 6'4": 210 lbs: 27
Andy Roddick: 6'2": 197 lbs: 25
Will Smith: 6'2": 210 lbs: 27
Sammy Sosa: 6'0": 220 lbs: 30
Denzel Washington: 6'0": 199 lbs: 27
Bruce Willis: 6'0": 200 lbs: 29
Billy Zane: 6'2": 210 lbs: 27

Obese
Mel Gibson 5'9": 214 pounds: 32
Matt LeBlanc: 5'11": 218 lbs: 30
Steve McNair: 6'2": 235 lbs: 30
The Rock (Dwayne Johnson): 6'5": 275 lbs: 33
Arnold Schwarzenegger: 6'2": 257 lbs: 33
Sylvester Stallone: 5'9": 228 lbs: 34
Mike Tyson: 5'11 ½": fighting weight between 218-235: 30-32
post #10 of 28
Something sure needs to be changed when Brad Pitt and George Clooney are consider overweight.
post #11 of 28
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
It should be changed. If Bradd Pitt is obese, I may as well go out and shoot myself because I am beyond help.
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post #12 of 28
Does anyone know the BMI of Nicole Ritchie? I bet she is an insurance company's dream.
post #13 of 28
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Does anyone know the BMI of Nicole Ritchie? I bet she is an insurance company's dream.
If her height is 5′1 and she weighs 100 pounds, that makes her BMI 18.9- and thats NORMAL on the scale... goodness!

http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/bmi/...=100&inches=61
post #14 of 28
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Does anyone know the BMI of Nicole Ritchie? I bet she is an insurance company's dream.
Actually being on the low end can increase your premium as well. Sad isn't it?
post #15 of 28
Thread Starter 
That is crazy Kenz, there is no way that being that thin is 'normal'
post #16 of 28
I don't go by BMI. I have been reading around on issues with weight and your health. There appears to be a link between midsection fat and heart issues, high blood pressure and diabetes. A womans waist size in inches should be less than 35 inches and men less that 40 inches. Mine is currently at 36 1/2 inches at the waist.

http://www.bdaweightwise.com/lose/lose_waist.aspx

While I am on the subject since our last weight conversations I have lost 11 lbs. Not by taking anything other than a one a day weight smart. All I did was up my calories from 800 to 1500 a day and drinking water nothing but water. Just doing that I lost 8lbs. Now I have 20-40 mins a day of light walking (with a video) and I have now lost 11 lbs total.
post #17 of 28
I've always suspected that whoever thought up which numbers belong in which categories was anorexic.
post #18 of 28
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Congrats on the loss Ping. Personally I ignore BMI also but seen as doctors don't and it looks like they are going to change the scale here I thought I would bring it up
post #19 of 28
OK so the one thing that I notice with this list of people considered to be "Obese" is that they are all male. (correct me if I'm wrong though).

When I went to the BMIscale.com the one flaw I noticed is that they do not take into consideration if you're male or female. It's just a poor formula based on height and weight. A man's body is typically heavier than a females because of the amount of MUSCLE they carry. Men typically have trained muscle compared to women. One reason for that comes to mind is sports: football, soccer, baseball, hockey. Muscle weighs more than fat. period.
post #20 of 28
Muscle does not weight more than fat. One pound is one pound no matter if its fat or muscle.

http://www.onemorebite-weightloss.co...le-to-fat.html

If one wants to say muscle weighs more it should stated like this: "Muscle is heavier by volume than fat." not that muscle on its own weighs more.
post #21 of 28
Thanks for the correction.

The point I'm trying to make is that a men are naturally heavier than women. So I"m considered Government Approved, but then a man that is 5'9 would have to be around 135 lbs in order to be considered that as well. However because the guy may lift things [for the woman] he is considered obese.

According to that link then a person who eats a pound of butter per day and is a regular at the donut shop (a dozen all for him) would be considered equally obese as man that was the same height and weight, but worked out on a regular basis, lifting weights, swimming, jogging, etc.
post #22 of 28
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Originally Posted by Mirinae View Post
The BMI also doesn't take certain things into consideration ... like breasts. Despite having lost over thirty pounds, I remain generously overendowed, and my cup size hasn't changed one iota (although the band size has gone down dramatically); I have always been large-chested, even at my healthiest weight, and believe me, those puppies are heavy.
my sister, who is about an inch taller than me, fits the BMI charts pretty closely... she's also a pear-shape, with quite a small bustline, whereas i am an hourglass.

i am still about 40 pounds over where i want to be, but the BMI charts place me where she is... what about these DDD things i'm carrying around? hers are maybe a B - my cup size also has not changed, even with the 100+ pounds i've lost in the last 18 months. the BMI chart is just the old height/weight tables, with a new 'scientific' name. those always said i should weigh 120 pounds, just like the BMI chart says i should.
post #23 of 28
Dietitians don't even use the BMI very much. Yes, it is an okay indicator of if you might want to think about changing you weight (up or down) but it also plainly states on any good site with a calculator that is does not take into account your muscle mass (and Ping, that's what they mean. Everybody knows that a pound is a pound). It doesn't even take into account frame size. Someone my height with the same weight but a small frame would look a whole lot different. (Frame size is something about the width of your elbow bone... memory problems... it's not just saying Oh, he's just big-boned)

What does matter, and can be measured accurately, is your body fat percentage. Mine is within 'normal' for a woman my age, but my weight is on the upper border of 'normal'. I have some vanity weight I would like to lose, but it's not affecting my health. I've always been Amazon woman though, my sister and I were the same size and height when I was 9 and she 18.
post #24 of 28
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That is the whole point of changing the 'official' way of measuring weight for insurance companies etc. People were being turned down for surgery because according to medical charts they are obese and the doctors were admitting that in many cases the extra weight those patients carried would not have caused a problem on the operating table, but they have restrictions in place to protect the hospital and patient and so can't do it.
post #25 of 28
Talking to a doctor friend recently - she said BMI is no longer considered a reliable way to assess obesity (this was following a simliar outrage when nearly all the England rugby team were obese according to BMI). She said if you are a woman with a waistline you are probably OK!
post #26 of 28
This goes along with the BMI discussion here. The article is on CNN and on the opposite end of the scale (err..no pun intended) this particular paragraph:

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The College of Psychiatrists told the panel that models with a BMI of below 18.5 -- which means they are underweight -- should be banned from the catwalk, but other respondents said BMI did not help identify the eating disorder bulimia nervosa. Last year, models with a BMI of less than 18 were banned from taking part in Madrid Fashion Week. Doctors use the index, which is a ratio of height to weight, to calculate the healthy size for an individual.
I though the part about using the BMI to identify eating disorders was interesting. Again though it could just mean that a person is just thin, perhaps an extremely fast metabolism (due to a different disease or illness perhaps?) as opposed to sticking 2 fingers down their throat.
post #27 of 28
I really hate the BMI. It's never right so I just don't ever think about it. It makes for a happier life!!!!
post #28 of 28
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Originally Posted by lunasmom View Post
I though the part about using the BMI to identify eating disorders was interesting. Again though it could just mean that a person is just thin, perhaps an extremely fast metabolism (due to a different disease or illness perhaps?) as opposed to sticking 2 fingers down their throat.
Yep, it doesn't factor in anything except height and weight, and even then (IMO) it can be pretty 'off' in its 'normal' range, I would not consider Nichole Richie a normal weight
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