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post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
I'm not sure what to think. I guess I will have to ponder on it for awhile.
I would appreciate opinions though.

http://religionclause.blogspot.com/2...er-in-san.html


There was a segment on Bill O'Reilly about it tonight, I didn't see it though.
It will be posted tomorrow morning on his website.
It is starting to cause a stir. I know my Mom got all uptight about it until I reminded her that Christians can pray in school also if they want to.
But Christians don't pray aloud or have specific prayer periods. Although, maybe they haven't asked for any. Whatever happens, I think this is going to change things.
post #2 of 23
Thread Starter 
One more link.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/m...1n2prayer.html
post #3 of 23
I read it, but I have some reading comprehension problems. What exactly is the issue here?
post #4 of 23
Personally, I think that the school just setting up "prayer time" for any faith or denomination that wants too is just fine. To the best of my understanding, the "church and state" thing refers to giving one faith preference over another. If it's completely open to any faith, then I actually think that it's a good idea.
post #5 of 23
I have no issues with it. ONLY IF they also give other groups equal time for there faith.,

how many know i may not be a fan of islam. I also hate how they keep trying to take faith out of all aspects of are life. If the students want it. Then i see nothing wrong with it.
post #6 of 23
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Originally Posted by Roimata View Post
I read it, but I have some reading comprehension problems. What exactly is the issue here?

its about giving muslims students time for there prayer
post #7 of 23
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
its about giving muslims students time for there prayer
Oh, well then yeah, of course, why not. Just as long as they dont force anyone else too.
post #8 of 23
In the old days .... ie my MOM s time ... schools gave two minutes a day for prayer and everyone prayed to whom or what they did
post #9 of 23
They're required to... just like you have to let them at work.

It's strange to think of how this may work out, do the Somali children get to leave class for fifteen minutes or do they have to do it right in their classroom.

They're making too big a deal out of this. Give the kids a second 15-min recess and quit freaking out.

As for clergy coming in, no. It's 15 minutes. Any of the children are free to pray to whatever they want to however they want to (assuming they don't break some other rule) but inviting clergy in is inviting proselytizing on school grounds.
post #10 of 23
If they're going to accomodate one religion, they have to accomodate ALL. What's next? Installing a kosher kitchen, for any Orthodox Jewish or Seventh-day Adventist kids? Muslims have dietary restrictions, too.

Back in the mid-60s, my fourth-grade class had to accomodate a Jehovah's Witness classmate. While the rest of us said the Pledge of Allegiance, he took the attendance sheet to the office and he was allowed to leave school early, to avoid the class Christmas party.

I can see where this action is going to open a can of worms.
post #11 of 23
we've had some issues with JW also... teachers having to eliminate any art projects during the holiday season that had anything to do with religion [including Santa, etc.], as well as classroom decorations. sometimes i think they tend to go a bit too far, but maybe that's just me.
post #12 of 23
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Originally Posted by laureen227 View Post
we've had some issues with JW also... teachers having to eliminate any art projects during the holiday season that had anything to do with religion [including Santa, etc.], as well as classroom decorations. sometimes i think they tend to go a bit too far, but maybe that's just me.
I agree. At my sisters school, they couldnt have a holloween party, they had to call it a "holiday festival" or something stupid, and they couldnt wear costumes and had no decorations.....thats just dumb, and it takes all the fun out of the holidays.
post #13 of 23
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
They're required to... just like you have to let them at work.

It's strange to think of how this may work out, do the Somali children get to leave class for fifteen minutes or do they have to do it right in their classroom.

They're making too big a deal out of this. Give the kids a second 15-min recess and quit freaking out.

As for clergy coming in, no. It's 15 minutes. Any of the children are free to pray to whatever they want to however they want to (assuming they don't break some other rule) but inviting clergy in is inviting proselytizing on school grounds.
The only thing I'd object to is bringing in clergy to lead prayers. A 15-minute recess for the entire school, which can be used for personal prayer by anybody, of any religion, seems to be the simplest solution.
post #14 of 23
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Originally Posted by jcat View Post
The only thing I'd object to is bringing in clergy to lead prayers. A 15-minute recess for the entire school, which can be used for personal prayer by anybody, of any religion, seems to be the simplest solution.
I agree... also not calling it a "prayer time" would get them out of any kind of legal issue.

Are they doing this on school grounds or is there a Mosque near by that they are walking to?
post #15 of 23
Thread Starter 
I guess they could call it "meditating time". I appreciate all the good opinions.
post #16 of 23
I agree with the 15 minute break and the children can choose to pray if they would like. Why don't they just pray at the regular time of recess?

I always felt bad for the JW children. I feel they are exploited by their families. There was also a girl in my class in Elementary that had to leave class when there was any kind of project involving birthday parties, Xmas parties, Halloween Parties, etc...(basically, ANY kind of fun)...


And once a JW came to my door in Winter and asked if she could come in because her child was freezing....I responded with a "Well, then don't make him accompany you on your rounds then"....
post #17 of 23
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I used to work with a JW. They don't celebrate Christmas because Christ wasn't really born on Dec 25th. Who cares, everyone knows that, that is NOT the point. We are celebrating Christ's birth, NOT the date, the Savior.

I could never understand that.

He also saw the cross necklace I was wearing and said that is like wearing an "electric chair" on a chain around your neck. He so missed the point.
post #18 of 23


Do they celebrate Christmas at Eastertime then or what??

Does anyone know why JW also cannot celebrate ANYTHING (as in the birthday party example)? I understand that Halloween is considered Pagan by them....And now I suppose I understand the Christmas issue....

Is it because they are not supposed to indulge in Earthly delights or celebrations? I just don't understand...
post #19 of 23
Thread Starter 
I think the only thing they are allowed to observe is anniversaries.
post #20 of 23
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Originally Posted by Loveysmummy View Post
I agree with the 15 minute break and the children can choose to pray if they would like. Why don't they just pray at the regular time of recess?
One of the Pillars of Islam (kind of like the commandments) is that they must pray five times a day, at dawn, sunrise, noon, afternoon, sunset, and evening. There are strict rules about what times, etc. So they can't 'choose' when to pray.
post #21 of 23
Thread Starter 
Hey Z, you got one to many in there? What is the difference between sunrise and dawn?
post #22 of 23
Yes, I meant dawn to sunrise as being one of the time periods... The time between when the sky first becomes light until you actually see the sun, just like the period between when the sun goes down and it's dark outside. Noon being the 'true noon' as well, which usually isn't at our noon and I think is the one that would be during the school day.

I'm no expert, I was just trying to explain that they couldn't decide to pray at regular recess instead. There are charts that tell you down to the minute what time the salahs must be in your town.
post #23 of 23
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
Yes, I meant dawn to sunrise as being one of the time periods... The time between when the sky first becomes light until you actually see the sun, just like the period between when the sun goes down and it's dark outside. Noon being the 'true noon' as well, which usually isn't at our noon and I think is the one that would be during the school day.

I'm no expert, I was just trying to explain that they couldn't decide to pray at regular recess instead. There are charts that tell you down to the minute what time the salahs must be in your town.
Are you looking for the word "twilight"?
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