I used to drink like 5 mountain dews a day for years LOL, then one day im like "...Im sick of pop", and I havent drank it in a longgg time. I had absolutley no withdrawl because luckily caffeine doesnt effect me like it does other people. I dont drink pop now, only VERY rarely when I go out to eat at a resturant.
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Hot dog craving... I'm so embarrassed, any other vegetarians here?
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I wasn't saying that you have to eat meat, I am saying that its natural for you to have cravings for meat if your a vegetarian. If you want to be a vegetarian then feel free to do so there is nothing wrong with that.
This is a fascinating discussion. Let me preface my own comments by saying that I don't hold any ill will toward omnivores -- you're only doing what you grew up with all around you, and what has been considered acceptable since time immemorial. So I'm not judging anyone here.
But I believe that we humans will eventually come to recognize that killing other animals is wrong, whether for meat or fur or leather or supposedly aphrodisiacal body parts.
It's not ecologically sound, because (as someone else alluded to) raising animals for meat is a grossly inefficient use of resources.
But more important, it's just ethically wrong to kill unnecessarily -- and meat is completely unnecessary in virtually every corner of the world today. If a starving man in Darfur is able to sustain himself for another few days by catching a small mammal, I certainly will not begrudge him that. But we well-fed "first-worlders" don't have that justification.
The argument that meat is all right as long as the animals are killed "humanely" mystifies me: is murder all right, as long as the victim feels no pain? Yes, of course there's a difference there, but it's a difference of degree, not of fundamental nature.
Cows and other mammals have plenty of mental capacity to bear a strong will to live, to feel attachment to humans and to others in their herd, and to reason and plan to a remarkable degree. They suffer terror when they see others killed. What gives us the right to decide that their desire to live is less important than our desire for a hamburger?
I'm aware that this sounds all "bleeding heart" to most people. But I'm speaking here in terms of cosmic right and wrong, viewed from a point beyond our own human prejudices. Just as people were resentful when Galileo claimed that Earth was not the center of the universe, so people are insulted when some of us claim that Homo Sapiens is not the ultimate masterpiece of evolution.
We humans happen to excel in manipulating the world around us (for better or worse), and that gives us power over other species. But power does not confer righteousness -- or as King Arthur realized, might does not make right. Rather, might should be applied in the service of right.
And "right," I submit, is not the subjugation of the weaker by the strong, not the use and abuse of other species simply because we can and we find it convenient.
All of us, as people who love and care for our cats, understand the concept of taking responsibility for an animal who cannot care for itself. That's why we take in strays and foster kittens and fight for animal rights.
The larger view is no different: as the dominant species on the planet, we humans have a responsibility to care for the well-being of all animals, to preserve their habitats, and to protect them from being harmed by our actions.
And I cannot reconcile that principle with the mass production of animals for slaughter, and the slabs of bloody carcass for sale at the grocery store.
Here in Texas, we see on the news every year some fresh-faced teenager who has raised an animal from birth on up, from a stumbling little calf to a beautiful full-grown cow, and has won a state-wide ribbon for it -- and now gets a round of applause as she sends that animal off to be slaughtered by the highest bidder.
It's a time-honored tradition, and one of the most appalling everyday evils in our society. How can we justify the systematic destruction of the natural bond between ourselves and the other animals of the world? Because, make no mistake, humans are animals -- what is the figure, something like 94% of the DNA of a gorilla is absolutely identical to that of a human? How can we pretend that we are somehow in an entirely different category from creatures who are genetically only 6% different from ourselves?
There's more, but I've already rattled too long. Anyway -- in answer to the question, that's why I'm a vegetarian. Thanks for your time...
But I believe that we humans will eventually come to recognize that killing other animals is wrong, whether for meat or fur or leather or supposedly aphrodisiacal body parts.
It's not ecologically sound, because (as someone else alluded to) raising animals for meat is a grossly inefficient use of resources.
But more important, it's just ethically wrong to kill unnecessarily -- and meat is completely unnecessary in virtually every corner of the world today. If a starving man in Darfur is able to sustain himself for another few days by catching a small mammal, I certainly will not begrudge him that. But we well-fed "first-worlders" don't have that justification.
The argument that meat is all right as long as the animals are killed "humanely" mystifies me: is murder all right, as long as the victim feels no pain? Yes, of course there's a difference there, but it's a difference of degree, not of fundamental nature.
Cows and other mammals have plenty of mental capacity to bear a strong will to live, to feel attachment to humans and to others in their herd, and to reason and plan to a remarkable degree. They suffer terror when they see others killed. What gives us the right to decide that their desire to live is less important than our desire for a hamburger?
I'm aware that this sounds all "bleeding heart" to most people. But I'm speaking here in terms of cosmic right and wrong, viewed from a point beyond our own human prejudices. Just as people were resentful when Galileo claimed that Earth was not the center of the universe, so people are insulted when some of us claim that Homo Sapiens is not the ultimate masterpiece of evolution.
We humans happen to excel in manipulating the world around us (for better or worse), and that gives us power over other species. But power does not confer righteousness -- or as King Arthur realized, might does not make right. Rather, might should be applied in the service of right.
And "right," I submit, is not the subjugation of the weaker by the strong, not the use and abuse of other species simply because we can and we find it convenient.
All of us, as people who love and care for our cats, understand the concept of taking responsibility for an animal who cannot care for itself. That's why we take in strays and foster kittens and fight for animal rights.
The larger view is no different: as the dominant species on the planet, we humans have a responsibility to care for the well-being of all animals, to preserve their habitats, and to protect them from being harmed by our actions.
And I cannot reconcile that principle with the mass production of animals for slaughter, and the slabs of bloody carcass for sale at the grocery store.
Here in Texas, we see on the news every year some fresh-faced teenager who has raised an animal from birth on up, from a stumbling little calf to a beautiful full-grown cow, and has won a state-wide ribbon for it -- and now gets a round of applause as she sends that animal off to be slaughtered by the highest bidder.
It's a time-honored tradition, and one of the most appalling everyday evils in our society. How can we justify the systematic destruction of the natural bond between ourselves and the other animals of the world? Because, make no mistake, humans are animals -- what is the figure, something like 94% of the DNA of a gorilla is absolutely identical to that of a human? How can we pretend that we are somehow in an entirely different category from creatures who are genetically only 6% different from ourselves?
There's more, but I've already rattled too long. Anyway -- in answer to the question, that's why I'm a vegetarian. Thanks for your time...
I'm very glad this thread was started. So.... THANK YOU!
Ok, so now my story:
I'm not a vegetarian, and never have been one.
My problem is that when I see meat... I feel sick. I am perfectly OK with eating meat, but PLEASE PLEASE don't tell me WHERE it comes from. Of course, I already 'know' where the food comes from... but I don't 'think' about it. I don't want to.
It makes me sick to my stomach whenever I image a cow out in the pasture eating green grass and then BAM he's killed, and I'm having a cheeseburger. I don't like that.
I believe in animal rights but that's not even the half of it!
I grew up on a farm, it was normal to eat meat. I have no problem eating meat, it seems like my body just doesn't want to!!
Whenever I see a steak that's still bloody I get SICK! I can't eat that! I will only eat it if it's cooked 100%, and only if I don't think about where it comes from.
When I say I get sick, I don't mean sick I actually mean I get light headed, my stomach hurts, and sometimes I have to run to the bathroom because I feel like I'm going to puke (never have though).
Can anyone here tell me... am I just being a baby? Is this normal? My boyfriend and my room mate laugh at me every single day and say I'm 'faking' this. I wish this wouldn't happen to me!!!
I'm not a vegetarian, and never have been one.
My problem is that when I see meat... I feel sick. I am perfectly OK with eating meat, but PLEASE PLEASE don't tell me WHERE it comes from. Of course, I already 'know' where the food comes from... but I don't 'think' about it. I don't want to.
It makes me sick to my stomach whenever I image a cow out in the pasture eating green grass and then BAM he's killed, and I'm having a cheeseburger. I don't like that.
I believe in animal rights but that's not even the half of it!
I grew up on a farm, it was normal to eat meat. I have no problem eating meat, it seems like my body just doesn't want to!!
Whenever I see a steak that's still bloody I get SICK! I can't eat that! I will only eat it if it's cooked 100%, and only if I don't think about where it comes from.
When I say I get sick, I don't mean sick I actually mean I get light headed, my stomach hurts, and sometimes I have to run to the bathroom because I feel like I'm going to puke (never have though).
Can anyone here tell me... am I just being a baby? Is this normal? My boyfriend and my room mate laugh at me every single day and say I'm 'faking' this. I wish this wouldn't happen to me!!!
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I'm a vegetarian. I have been for about a year and a half.
I eat dairy, but I don't care for eggs unless they're in a mixture and I can't taste them. I only eat cage free/organic eggs. Factory farming breaks my heart.
I don't plan on starting to eat meat again.
For years before I became a vegetarian I tried several times and then one time it clicked all the way. It's gotten much, much easier and I hardly ever think about meat. I eat veggie burgers and that stuff and eat a pretty good diet (no, I don't know where those brownies went!
). Now that I've stopped eating fast food, hot dogs, and other fatty meats I feel lighter and my skin got clearer.
I eat dairy, but I don't care for eggs unless they're in a mixture and I can't taste them. I only eat cage free/organic eggs. Factory farming breaks my heart.
I don't plan on starting to eat meat again.
For years before I became a vegetarian I tried several times and then one time it clicked all the way. It's gotten much, much easier and I hardly ever think about meat. I eat veggie burgers and that stuff and eat a pretty good diet (no, I don't know where those brownies went!
No, you're not being a baby. By my lights, you're just a little ahead of your time.
I'm pescetarian too, having been previously vegetarian for nearly 10 years. I do have a craving for certain meats on occasion, either because they just smell good or they bring back memories of my younger days.
I haven't purposely "fallen off the wagon" but have accidentally ingested meat in the past. It made me feel awful...I guess my body wasn't used to it? Anyway, hope you're feeling better!
i dont care what people eat,so i am not bashing anyone
i remember reading where it was said, that people who ate mostley vegan diets showed later in life to suffer more memory lost and had higher chance of alzheimers disease. does any else remember seeing somethign like that?
anyway i like meat (accept for pork, hotdogs, and mcd
I was just reading on the internet that there are OVER 1 million vegans in the world! That's a lot of people!
http://www.canllaw-online.com/fe/new...sp?NewsID=4435
http://www.canllaw-online.com/fe/new...sp?NewsID=4435
@KitEKats4Eva! - I love your post. I feel the same way as you and I agree. You can't justify slitting the throat of an animal so it can bleed to death just because we "like the taste" of a hamburger. Not when there are so many other foods out there to eat!
Ya totally.
I'm not a 100% vegetarian, we eat seafood... but that's it.
I do prefer organic soy milk & dairy though-- just feels better for you
And yes, one time I ate a tiny piece of steak and got sick for 2 days
I'm not a 100% vegetarian, we eat seafood... but that's it.
I do prefer organic soy milk & dairy though-- just feels better for you
And yes, one time I ate a tiny piece of steak and got sick for 2 days
xh60hz welcome to TCS. Just wanted to bring it to your attention that this thread is 4-1/2 years old. Many of the people who posted in the original thread will probably not even see your response. If you want an active discussion on the topic you might want to start a new thread.
LOL I was just thinking the same thing. I looked at the date and thought "what the heck?" I don't recognized a lot of these people. Or some that I do, I haven't seen for ages.
I find it very easy to justify. Or rather, I find no need for it to be justified. Humans as a species have evolved eating both plant and animal matter. Homo sapiens came to dominance through the killing and eating of Neanderthals. Society began with hunter gatherers, and even human teeth are evolved for eating both vegetables and meat. Many vegetarians have to take vitamins just to cover the loss of nutrition from not eating meat. I can go on with more "justifications," but I can tell I'm already dripping with pretentiousness. Sorry, one of my female friends read that "Skinny Bitch" book and I had to sit through some pretty inane reasons for not eating meat. Don't get me wrong, I respect your opinion and I would never try forcing my view of omnivorous humans on anyone, but you can't throw around things like "nobody can justify eating meat" if you hope to sound like you're arguing intelligently.
I grew up vegetarian, so I don't crave hot dogs or hamburgers or anything. But I have to admit, I LOVE pepperonis. I tried one out of curiosity a while back and it was sooo good. I've had them a couple times since, unfortunately. I also became pescatarian after I moved to Wilmington. Our seafood is amazing, it's caught locally, and helps the economy... or at least that's the excuse I give haha!
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It was probably all the additives rather than any "beef" in the product. :lol3:I'm not a vegetarian. I try to be a pescatarian.
Yes, it's real... it basically means that I avoid all meat except seafood. I don't have a problem with dairy, but I try to buy my dairy products from farms that treat their animals humanely. I figure at least reducing my consumption of meat and saving lots of animals from horrible suffering on factory farms is a good thing, right?
Well anyway, that's just background. I kind of have an embarrassing question. I had a major hot dog craving yesterday. I ate two of them. I couldn't help it. They tasted so good... but man, I never realized how much they stank!!
And not just in general... I have had the toots all day, and they aren't just toots... they are stinky toots! I forgot how beef messes up the GI tract.
Any other similar experiences?? I know it's maybe TMI... but I'll feel better if I know I'm not the only one who has done this to themselves while falling off the wagon, so to speak.
I guess I deserve the stinky farts now.
Why are you embarrassed? It's no different than a meat eater craving a vegetarian only meal. Nothing to be ashamed of. Indulge. And if you have serious issues about eating meat, there are always veggie ones. Have one of those.
It's fairly different. Humans who eat meat tend to already indulge in vegetables, unless they are on that caveman diet fad where you eat 80-100% meat. A vegetarian has to break their personal moral code when they eat meat, while a meat eater just has to be in the mood for some veggies. I often get eggplant parmesan instead of chicken parmesan, and I wouldn't equate that with a vegetarian eating meat. It's the moral code nature of becoming vegetarian. Most people don't become vegetarians for health reasons, they do it for a moral reason, like not agreeing with the killing of animals for food. A meat eater doesn't have that moral code telling them that eating vegetables is wrong.
I went vegetarian for almost 2 years because I was on disability with a fixed income that fell short due to the increasing cost of living. I couldn't afford to buy meat.
I know that some have moral issues, but many also do the whole vegetarian thing because it is "the fad" thing to do.
If the body is craving something, it means that it's deficient in something. For example, there are people who have "Pica" which is a disorder where you eat non food items http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0002505/
The fact that a vegetarian is desiring to eat meat, something not typically in their diet, is a red flag that their body is lacking in some nutrition. We have canine teeth and molars, humans weren't meant to be herbavors.
