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post #1 of 14
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Today five 12- to 14-year-old boys appeared in the Perth magistrate's court on charges of kidnapping a fellow 13-year-old student last week, torturing him for six hours and threatening to kill him.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...006789,00.html

There has understandably been a lot of outrage in this case, not least from the ringleader's mother, who said her son was a `sweet boy' and that she had `lost faith in the justice system'. Yeah right.

Many are calling for stricter punishments for bullying in schools, but many are also saying that the responsibility lies almost entirely with the parents. I am more of the latter opinion, although I also know that there is a lot of stuff kids get up to away from home that their parents would not have any clue about. These boys planned and executed this trauma for the victim, ganged up on him, abducted him, terrified him, tortured him, injured him and intimidated him in unimaginable ways for HOURS. They should be punished to the full extent of the law. But what is the law for bullies? My feeling is that what will actually happen is that they will get a slap on the wrist and sent home, whereas their victim will endure years of repercussions from this.

In my opinion, an extensive investigation into the home lives of these boys needs to be held, including a search through their history and interviews of their schoolmates to find out what their behaviour has been in the past.

What are your views on bullying? Do we seek counselling or punishment? Do we get to the root of the cause or are some kids just nasty bullies who need to be arrested? And what of their futures? It's a tough issue. I'd really like to hear what you think of this.
post #2 of 14
These kids definitely need an in-depth psychiatric evaluation and a home study. In addition, if convicted, they should be sentenced to some community service - I'm sure that the local animal shelter could use someone to clean cages and the parks and roads have trash to be picked up.
post #3 of 14
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post

What are your views on bullying? Do we seek counselling or punishment? Do we get to the root of the cause or are some kids just nasty bullies who need to be arrested? And what of their futures? It's a tough issue. I'd really like to hear what you think of this.
That is part of school life(in this case it went to far), Most of the time the kids seem to come from homes that far less then perfect. The only i can see that will help is counselling for the family as a whole..

i guess you can say i was a bullying in school, lol but i used to pick on the people that where being the bully. so i was bullying the bully hmm err something like that.

clicks also used to bug me, and i would pick on people that where in clicks big time.
post #4 of 14
I think there are many reason that bullying is so much worse now. Lousy parents, schools and teachers aren't allowed to have any control over students behavior and the #1 reason I think is the lack of any spirituality of alot of these parents and kids.

I do believe there are many good people out there that aren't spiritual, don't get me wrong.
post #5 of 14
I do agree with the lousy parents part.

I grew up with a friend of mine that was bullied by a neighborhood kid of ours. The neighborhood kid would run upu to my friend after school and rip open his backpack so that his books fell out and such. My friends mother would call his mother to address the situation. You know was the response?
"Boys will be boys..." and that was it.

The bully didn't have a lot of discipline in the house. In fact there was an incident in the neighborhood one year where a bomb threat was called in at another neighbor's house. Nazi symbols were drawn all over the driveway and on the house (I grew up in a mostly jewish neighborhood).

A month later I heard the same bully (who was also Jewish) claim he did the bomb threat. No charges could be brought up though because of lack of evidence.
post #6 of 14
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I'm sure that the local animal shelter could use someone to clean cages and the parks and roads have trash to be picked up.
I wouldn't feel comfortable leaving thugs like these with animal to be honest.
post #7 of 14
IMO that was beyond bullying. Punishment is in need. Counseling for the whole family.
post #8 of 14
After dealing with the bully at my daughter's school, and her (the bully's) parents, I think the parents can be just as clueless as the child bully.

Really, the parents are what caused the problem in the first place. Bullying is not a genetic trait. I agree that the whole family should go into counseling.
post #9 of 14
This link here mentions an event that happened at the school I went to HS at.
http://www.redorbit.com/news/educati...nts/index.html
"In January, an Oklahoma high school student was tied up and wrapped with Saran Wrap. He was left in a small building on school property. On Feb. 3, two high school seniors were arrested in connection with the crime that took place in Thomas, in Custer County."

What isn't mentioned it that the kid that was wrapped up was turning blue before anything realized that something was wrong, and that the "small building" was a green house that wasn't used in winter months. Also that the bullies involved had previously broke the kid's arm, the school did nothing about that.

Having went to that school, dealt with the teachers and people in charge, I can honestly say it was originally ignored because the seniors were football players. Sadly it's one of those schools that only cares about it's sports. Even the threat of sexual harassment doesn't make them punish the students involved. A girl that was groped and called names was a friend, I even went to the principle with her to try to help. The standard reply for such events was that he didn't see it so he couldn't do anything about it and that 'such and such' person was a good student and on the football team. We had to deal with it ourselves.


Bullying needs to be stopped at grade school level. I don't care if it's the teacher's favorite or the rich kids doing the bullying. If it's stopped then and properly dealt with (and rules in place/teachers taught how to deal with it early) then it would be less of a problem later.
post #10 of 14
Bullying touches a nerve for me - I was bullied when I was younger - I had a group of older girls chasing me every day after school, until I told my father and so he decided to come to school and sure enough, he saw the girls chasing me - and when they saw him, they ran off. They stopped after that.

I think the bullies need an evaluation, and possibly child services involved to launch an investigation.

Bullying has to start from somewhere.
post #11 of 14
Well of course his mother is standing up for him. I would guess either he bullies her at home, or she just doesn't pay attention to him at all. I believe bullying is 100% parent's repsonsibility to stop. Either they don't have enough control over the child, or they don't aren't watching how the child acts with his siblings. Of course, with the laws the way they are now, spanking is not acceptable. What is a parent to do if a child is out of control? Time outs, I honestly believe, don't do a lot. I don't have kids, but I know how I was raised. If I did anything like that, I would be afraid to go home because I would be in sooooo much trouble! Kids now don't want to own up to their actions.

I'm not bashing parents as a whole. I know there are very good parents here, that care what their children do and how they act. But, I firmly believe some people shouldn't be parents because they don't know how to do it.
post #12 of 14
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...I'm not bashing parents as a whole. I know there are very good parents here, that care what their children do and how they act. But, I firmly believe some people shouldn't be parents because they don't know how to do it.
I've known only two bullies: one when I was a kid, and one in my daughter's school.

The bully when I was growing up was the one who made straight A's, and stepped on anybody who was making good grades, earning any kind of honors, or getting any kind of recognition. She was an awful gossip, too, and made up nasty stories about any "competition."

Turns out, she has admitted as an adult, that her mother told her she would kill herself if she (the bully) wasn't first in the class, in everything. She (former bully) realized how wrong this was when she had kids. She even sent me a letter of apology when we were both about 29 years old!

The bully in my daughter's class has parents that are completely messed up. The mother has always compared her daughter to my daughter (usually, but sometimes other girls), with my daughter being the favorable one. From little things (Oh, look how much taller she is than you! Look how pretty her hair is!) to bigger things (Did she do better on the spelling test? Look how much faster she runs than you!) etc. She used to even hug my daughter and not her own! This is in front of people! Imagine what the mother does at home.

The mother also favors her son over her daughter, and has told me point-blank. She'll say to her son, after school, "How's my sweet little bear?" is a sweet voice, then turns to her daughter with a monotone, "How's it going." Any wonder this little girl has huge envy issues?

I could go on and on, but you get the idea... the parents are the ones messing up their kids. And the parents are shocked if someone says their kids are acting out! They are clueless where it's coming from.
post #13 of 14
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Originally Posted by SwampWitch View Post
I've known only two bullies: one when I was a kid, and one in my daughter's school.

The bully when I was growing up was the one who made straight A's, and stepped on anybody who was making good grades, earning any kind of honors, or getting any kind of recognition. She was an awful gossip, too, and made up nasty stories about any "competition."

Turns out, she has admitted as an adult, that her mother told her she would kill herself if she (the bully) wasn't first in the class, in everything. She (former bully) realized how wrong this was when she had kids. She even sent me a letter of apology when we were both about 29 years old!

The bully in my daughter's class has parents that are completely messed up. The mother has always compared her daughter to my daughter (usually, but sometimes other girls), with my daughter being the favorable one. From little things (Oh, look how much taller she is than you! Look how pretty her hair is!) to bigger things (Did she do better on the spelling test? Look how much faster she runs than you!) etc. She used to even hug my daughter and not her own! This is in front of people! Imagine what the mother does at home.

The mother also favors her son over her daughter, and has told me point-blank. She'll say to her son, after school, "How's my sweet little bear?" is a sweet voice, then turns to her daughter with a monotone, "How's it going." Any wonder this little girl has huge envy issues?

I could go on and on, but you get the idea... the parents are the ones messing up their kids. And the parents are shocked if someone says their kids are acting out! They are clueless where it's coming from.
That's despicable behavior on the mothers' part, and really illustrates the role parents play in their children's bullying of others. Your classmate was lucky enough to realize how wrong her behavior was, and won't make the same mistakes with her own children her mother did.
post #14 of 14
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I wouldn't feel comfortable leaving thugs like these with animal to be honest.
I agree. They put him in a grave and told him he was going to die ffs!!! I wouldn't want that kind of child near any animal, they might harm them.

I could say i'm glad i don't live in Perth, but then again we had the shootings in the city a few weeks ago.

When are the psychos going to bugger off and get locked up.
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