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post #1 of 18
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another major law suit just awaiting to happen,
and for a good reason i think


http://www.kpho.com/news/13586605/detail.html?qs=1;bp=t
post #2 of 18
Oh dear. For once, Bruce, you and I agree. This was an appalling lack of judgement - and even if he was drunk and disorderly (which he wasn't I know - but for example), a completely inappropriate and irresponsible reaction by the police. I hope he is found safe and well.

Whilst, again, I don't agree with million-dollar lawsuits for everything that ever goes wrong, I think that money aside heads should roll for this.
post #3 of 18
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"A 65-year-old St. Louis man is missing after Amtrak personnel, mistaking his diabetic shock for drunk and disorderly behavior, kicked him off a train in the middle of a national forest"

does not even sound like he was drunk,
there been a couple of times where, i know i was not thinking or speaking very well, and had a hard time walking, had sweat just pouring out of me. all cause i did not have enough surger in my system. i guess it could be very easy to take as being drunk,

it does not say for sure if he had been drinking, even if had, you dont dump someone like that.
post #4 of 18
That's terrible, it's not hard to smell alcohol on someone is it

There was a drunk got on my bus the other night and this was just after 5.p.m. He just walked past us and we were practically knocked out by the booze fumes that came off him

It reminds me of a friends wedding a few years ago. Her FIL was recovering from a stroke, and as we arrived at the reception he was supported by his two sons as they walked in. My husband overheard one of the bar staff say to another "He's had a few already before the reception even starts!"
post #5 of 18
That happened to my best friend. She was four months pregnant with her second child, and hadn't had breakfast and was on the way to work on the train, and she fainted. She said people cleared the space like she was some kind of junkie who had passed out in front of them. What is wrong with people?
post #6 of 18
Why did they not wait until they got to a station!
post #7 of 18
That's just terrible!

I think personal in any kind of situation to make these kinds of judgement calls should all be trained to recognise the difference, most important of which is the sweet smell of ketosis on their breath.
Smells nothing like alcohol.
post #8 of 18
Even if he had been drunk, they had no business putting him off the train in such an isolated spot.
post #9 of 18
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Originally Posted by jcat View Post
Even if he had been drunk, they had no business putting him off the train in such an isolated spot.
They are very irresponsible to drop someone off in an isolated, unsafe area.
post #10 of 18
Shockingly irresponsible- if he had walked into another train they would have been guilty of manslaughter

I might criticise British police but they are usually first to the scene of an accident or crime scene and their first aid knowledge is obviously better than those in Phoenix imho
post #11 of 18
At least they found him alive http://www.kpho.com/news/13592475/detail.html
post #12 of 18
That area is dangerous-- I wold not want to be alone in that forest with all my faculties and a gun. You would think they'd be trained in first aid! Had they waited to get to the next station someone with some sense might have noticed that he was having a medical crisis. Yea, I smell a quiet settlement out of court though.

If this were on a airplane, would they have just thrown him out the emergency exit?
post #13 of 18
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That's terrible, it's not hard to smell alcohol on someone is it
OMG! I can't believe they dumped him in the middle of no where!!!!

As for smelling alcohol, if a person with diabetes has a really high blood sugar level they go into what is called "diabetic ketoacidosis" and if that happens their breath takes on a fruity smell that can be mistaken for whiskey or some other sweet smelling alcohol.

If diabetic ketoacidosis is untreated the person will go into a coma and die.

I hope this man is alright, but if he hasn't taken his medication with him and he is ketoacidotic, chances are he won't be found alive
post #14 of 18
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Originally Posted by Natalie_ca View Post
OMG! I can't believe they dumped him in the middle of no where!!!!

As for smelling alcohol, if a person with diabetes has a really high blood sugar level they go into what is called "diabetic ketoacidosis" and if that happens their breath takes on a fruity smell that can be mistaken for whiskey or some other sweet smelling alcohol.

If diabetic ketoacidosis is untreated the person will go into a coma and die.

I hope this man is alright, but if he hasn't taken his medication with him and he is ketoacidotic, chances are he won't be found alive
They found him alive http://www.kpho.com/news/13592475/detail.html
post #15 of 18
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Originally Posted by Natalie_ca View Post
OMG! I can't believe they dumped him in the middle of no where!!!!

As for smelling alcohol, if a person with diabetes has a really high blood sugar level they go into what is called "diabetic ketoacidosis" and if that happens their breath takes on a fruity smell that can be mistaken for whiskey or some other sweet smelling alcohol.

i thought about the ketos thing right before it went to bed.
that if that was going one someone may have mistaken it for something else.

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glad they found him. they had no business dumping someone
in the area they did.
post #16 of 18
They shouldn't have done that to anybody, even someone who was drunk! Poor guy.
post #17 of 18
I'm not one for telling people to sue, but man, I strongly hope that this family sues the company for having done that. No one should be dumped in the middle of no where like that, regardless of the situation! No phone, no water, no shelter...nothing.
post #18 of 18
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I'm not one for telling people to sue, but man, I strongly hope that this family sues the company for having done that. No one should be dumped in the middle of no where like that, regardless of the situation! No phone, no water, no shelter...nothing.
That is just appalling. Absolutely disgusting way to treat someone. Even if he was in fact drunk and disorderly, dumping him off in the middle of a forest is not the right way to handle it.

I can't help but wonder if the would've treated him better if he was white.
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