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post #1 of 24
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My understanding is if a food has less carbs but still lists grains it means most of the majority of the protein comes from meat? Example

Food A has more grains in the ingredient but has less carbs
Food B has less grains in the ingredients but has higher carbs

so Food A has more meat protein even tho it lists more grains and Food B has more protein from grains because it has higher carbs? For cats it is better to feed a food with less carbs correct?
post #2 of 24
Hmmm good question here. Is it listed on the bag somewhere the amount of carbs in the food? I would check my bag but its a grain free food.
post #3 of 24
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Originally Posted by kitytize View Post
My understanding is if a food has less carbs but still lists grains it means most of the majority of the protein comes from meat? Example

Food A has more grains in the ingredient but has less carbs
Food B has less grains in the ingredients but has higher carbs

so Food A has more meat protein even tho it lists more grains and Food B has more protein from grains because it has higher carbs? For cats it is better to feed a food with less carbs correct?
How do you know how much carbs a food has? Unless the food is one of the few that actually claims to be low-carb they don't list that information on the bag.

Also, it can be difficult to determine how much a class of ingredient contributes to the total because ingredients listed lower may individually contribute less to the total but together they may contribute more than an ingredient higher in the list. That is, chicken may be listed as the first ingredient with rice, wheat, rice hulls, and the odd vegtables listed much lower but the total contribution of the chicken to the total protein may be less than the vegtables and grains contribute.

I wish they were required to list the % carbs in all foods!
post #4 of 24
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Originally Posted by mschauer View Post
How do you know how much carbs a food has? Unless the food is one of the few that actually claims to be low-carb they don't list that information on the bag.

Also, it can be difficult to determine how much a class of ingredient contributes to the total because ingredients listed lower may individually contribute less to the total but together they may contribute more than an ingredient higher in the list. That is, chicken may be listed as the first ingredient with rice, wheat, rice hulls, and the odd vegtables listed much lower but the total contribution of the chicken to the total protein may be less than the vegtables and grains contribute.

I wish they were required to list the % carbs in all foods!
it is not easy .. but

you add the following together ... this is imaginary

protein =37

fat= 20

fiber=4

moisture=10

ash=6.5

this is simple and I am likely forgeting something

37+20=57
57+14=71
71+6.5=77.5

100-77.5=22.5

the carbs in this formula are roughly 22.5

Yes your theroy is relatively correct but realize MEALS weigh more that FRESH meats after cooking and all label s are written with raw proportions ...



To OP

remember FATS PLAY a big role in NUMBER of carbs just like protein ..

I was shocked when I figured that food have slighty less carbs


Foods that have one meat and one grain are quite balanced yet may have slightly higher carb levels they likely have higher meat protein levels than a formula with meats spread throughout the formula

Hope this make s a little sense ... Oh and the latest reading for me is slightly changing my thinking on cats and carbs
post #5 of 24
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I get my carb info from this site
www.geocities.com/jmpeerson/dryfood.html?200717
I also have a formula to figure it out I got from a site but I don't have the address for that site atm. You need the as fed not the guaranteed anaylsis to be more accurate but at least I can get a good estimate from the guaranteed.

Sharky what is this you are reading that is making you think different about carbs?
post #6 of 24
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37+20=57
57+14=71
71+6.5=77.5

100-77.5=22.5
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This method actually isn't very good. It can yield wildly inaccurate results. As kitytize points out you need the "as fed" information rather that the guarnteed analysis from the bag.
post #7 of 24
A oriental medicine book.... It explains the heating vs cooling... How foods are assimilated and what conditions what help s... Grains are a easy way to aid in this ... this author recommends 2/3 meat to 1/3 grain to 1/3 meat 2/3 grains for an older animal ( the book covers dog s and cats)... I tested it with my dog and her digestion and it worked I did what the book said and she had far less undigested matter in her stool... Seems older animals can benifit from NON whole grains better than whole ... Some of this was totally new while some was just clarified stuff my vet has been telling me .... it evan explained the MOUSE theroy and how a mouse is not just protein and fat ...
post #8 of 24
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Originally Posted by kitytize View Post
I get my carb info from this site
www.geocities.com/jmpeerson/dryfood.html?200717
I also have a formula to figure it out I got from a site but I don't have the address for that site atm. You need the as fed not the guaranteed anaylsis to be more accurate but at least I can get a good estimate from the guaranteed.

Sharky what is this you are reading that is making you think different about carbs?
The dry I feed is not even on their list that I can see.
post #9 of 24
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This method actually isn't very good. It can yield wildly inaccurate results. As kitytize points out you need the "as fed" information rather that the guarnteed analysis from the bag.
She is right but that does get you in the ball park as That site I found six inacuracies .. If you need a VERY VERY accurate CALL THE COMPANY ...

With my formula I checked it against five real foods and it is usually with .6% .... ...

Fat grams are not 8.5 KCal s they are 9 at least in all my book s ...

Ping are you feeding CORE???

I think it states it on the bag yes it is likely the analysis but it will give you a idea ...
post #10 of 24
No I feed Timberwolf so I kinda doubt it would have been on that list. But I was curious none the less.
post #11 of 24
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No I feed Timberwolf so I kinda doubt it would have been on that list. But I was curious none the less.
I would say use the simple way ... your feeding a no grain so you have a bit easier or make it real easy and call the company
post #12 of 24
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Originally Posted by sharky View Post
She is right but that does get you in the ball park as That site I found six inacuracies .. If you need a VERY VERY accurate CALL THE COMPANY ...

With my formula I checked it against five real foods and it is usually with .6% .... ...
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I don't know which ones you checked but using your formula Hill's Hairball Controll Light Adult is 26.4% carbs according to the site kitytize gives it is 40% carbs.

In some cases your formula may come close to the actual but in others it will be way off.
post #13 of 24
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Originally Posted by mschauer View Post
I don't know which ones you checked but using your formula Hill's Hairball Controll Light Adult is 26.4% carbs according to the site kitytize gives it is 40% carbs.

In some cases your formula may come close to the actual but in others it will be way off.
No I will double check that one... Hairball light will have a % way off due too its EXCESSIVE INSOUBLE fiber leval .. on a food with a fiber in the normal range of 3-7% the formula works... You feed IMHO one of the worst lights around.. due to the fiber level
post #14 of 24
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... or make it real easy and call the company
For each of 1000's of foods available?? Your dialing finger must be stronger than mine.
post #15 of 24
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This is where I got my formula to figure out carbs
http://www.thepetcenter.com/imtop/dm.html
post #16 of 24
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For each of 1000's of foods available?? Your dialing finger must be stronger than mine.
lol.. i use the basic formula as my girl eats a high end food and if for some reason i need to double check it is one number... my dialer is strong
post #17 of 24
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Originally Posted by kitytize View Post
This is where I got my formula to figure out carbs
http://www.thepetcenter.com/imtop/dm.html

that is another basic for as feed... remember to add fiber and ash

TY I had forgotten about that one
post #18 of 24
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Let me add the link I provided with carb info all their info is as fed and not guaranteed incase you didn't catch that on their site.
post #19 of 24
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Let me add the link I provided with carb info all their info is as fed and not guaranteed incase you didn't catch that on their site.
You knew I missed that... but I note they arent taking out the fiber..I never used to but fiber on a label is insouble thus unusable to the cat

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post #20 of 24
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Originally Posted by sharky View Post
.. but I note they arent taking out the fiber..I never used to but fiber on a label is insouble thus unusable to the cat
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And I missed that you left out the fiber.

Given that, your formula yields 35.6% carbs vs 40% in the chart for the Hill's.

But.. For Solid Gold blended tuna your formula yields 3.6% carbs vs 21% in the chart.

I should probably let this go. I wanted to correct my posting but I still think such a simple formula isn't good for general use. OK, I'll it go now..
post #21 of 24
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If you need a VERY VERY accurate CALL THE COMPANY ...
I missed this. I believe that info on the site I provided is from the company.
post #22 of 24
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You knew I missed that... but I note they arent taking out the fiber..I never used to but fiber on a label is insouble thus unusable to the cat

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What does this mean? Fiber is unusable to the cat? I read that fiber has benefits to cats especially to ones that are obese or have IBD.
post #23 of 24
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Originally Posted by kitytize View Post
What does this mean? Fiber is unusable to the cat? I read that fiber has benefits to cats especially to ones that are obese or have IBD.
Nutritionally unusable I believe is what sharky means. Insoluable fiber just passes through the system resulting in larger, fluffier stools.
post #24 of 24
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Originally Posted by mschauer View Post
And I missed that you left out the fiber.

Given that, your formula yields 35.6% carbs vs 40% in the chart for the Hill's.

But.. For Solid Gold blended tuna your formula yields 3.6% carbs vs 21% in the chart.

I should probably let this go. I wanted to correct my posting but I still think such a simple formula isn't good for general use. OK, I'll it go now..
LMAO..we are learning today .. that is the DRY formula simple... wet you have to take out the moisture and then proceded
21% seem very high for a formula with only a binding amount of tapicoa starch..

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Nutritionally unusable I believe is what sharky means. Insoluable fiber just passes through the system resulting in larger, fluffier stools.
EXACTLY.. Fiber is of no nutritional value as it is passed through which is a great thing for some
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