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In eleven months, my first IMO post.

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Yep, check it out, right there. July, last year. And nobody here ever remembers me ever starting a post here because I never have. It's very simple.

I just heard some kind of something on the news that finally got me hot enough to finally post something here. Basically it went like this, but I am so angry right now I cannot even think clear, but here is my best recollection:

There used to be three nations in the AXIS OF EVIL. We then took care of Iraq so there was only two. And now that we are becoming more friendly with North Korea, THERE IS ONLY ONE AXIS OF EVIL LEFT. Friends, I do not drink, I do not do drugs, I was not hallucinating when I heard this report. Many of you may not want to have any further interactions with me because I am telling you right now I am married to a woman that is considered the AXIS OF EVIL. And go back and study the words, I have a thousand times, the original context was NOT just that the government was an AXIS OF EVIL, but the the countries, i.e., the people, i.e., my wife formed the AXIS OF EVIL. I only have one family left in the world, they all have Phds, every single one of them, (my wife has two) they all came here to benefit not only theirselves but because this country needed more scientists and doctors. But we are to call them the AXIS OF EVIL people. If you think for one split second I am mistaken, it is public record the exact dialouge, that the Iranian people are now the last and only people in the world that comprise THE AXIS OF EVIL. Quote the news tonight. Oh, my God, I am guilty of just doing the same thing, saying the news when in fact it was ONLY ONE PERSON'S opinion.

My beautiful, intelligent, highly educated wife is away from me for the first time since our marriage and then I see this cr*p. What else can I do but vent? I may never be on here again so if you have something to say, please do. But please do my wife the honor of not telling me I am making a mountain out of a molehill.

OK, who goes on my buddy list?
post #2 of 25
Dude, Bush has called so many people so many names that you really have to be thankful if this is the first time its hit you personally.

I do not believe the people of Iran, Iraq, or South Korea are evil. I believe possibly that the current leader of Iran wants to start a war, but that his people do not, for the most part, and he is losing ground, which sounds a lot like, dare I say the US! Kim Jong-Il is a sociopath who has brainwashed a few million people.

That whole 'axis of evil' propaganda always struck me as a bunch of kids playing Risk or something, but scarier because the kids have real weapons.

You know, they hate our freedom. Cry? Laugh? Both?

He's trying to drum up a new war, maybe the reason for Iraq was to have a bordering country under our thumb who knows, but it ain't gonna happen.
post #3 of 25
Jeesh. I thought the Axis of Evil was the USA, Britain and Australia. Certainly has seemed that way over past years
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
Jeesh. I thought the Axis of Evil was the USA, Britain and Australia. Certainly has seemed that way over past years
Well, I don't know about the latter. A lot of Iranian scientists and other highly educated people are being offered a free move to Austrailia plus housing. Some of my Iranian family have settled in Canada, which I believe has the same policy. Anyway, you have once again reminded me I need to find you my photos of Greycat. You know, actually one of these days it will happen. I swear it will. I would do it right now but it is midnight, for crying out loud.
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Originally Posted by Persi & Alley View Post
Yep, check it out, right there. July, last year. And nobody here ever remembers me ever starting a post here because I never have. It's very simple.
Actually, you have. A thread with a picture of Dick Cheney holding a shotgun. http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=123730
post #6 of 25
Strange, I rarely come to the IMO forum, but for some reason I thought I'd browse thru it today. I dislike our President intently, and believe that most of the time he sounds like a fool. I thought his original speech about the Axis of Evil was preposterous. Other than that, I don't really pay much attention to political issues. The reasoning I'm posting this is to say I think your wife must be an amazing woman. The way you write about her is so touching
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My beautiful, intelligent, highly educated wife
; I can understand why you'd be angered by anyone who insinuated that SHE is part of the Axis of Evil. All I can say is--look to the source.
Glad you were able to vent a little.
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Actually, you have. A thread with a picture of Dick Cheney holding a shotgun. http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=123730
Oooooooooooooh!!! Its very simple that you HAVE started a thread here!!

Bet you didn't see that coming
post #8 of 25
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Originally Posted by neetanddave View Post
Actually, you have. A thread with a picture of Dick Cheney holding a shotgun. http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=123730
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Oooooooooooooh!!! Its very simple that you HAVE started a thread here!!

Bet you didn't see that coming
and this has anything to do with the topic under discussion? maybe he forgot, i know i can't remember everything I've posted

anyhoo, I'm with Sarah, I think the US, UK and Australia might be the ones to earn the title of "axis of evil" don't be too upset, Lee, just stop watching the news like me
post #9 of 25
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Yep, check it out, right there. July, last year. And nobody here ever remembers me ever starting a post here because I never have. It's very simple.
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and this has anything to do with the topic under discussion? maybe he forgot, i know i can't remember everything I've posted
It sounded like a challenge to me. He said check it out, so I did.
post #10 of 25
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and this has anything to do with the topic under discussion? maybe he forgot, i know i can't remember everything I've posted
I just thought it was funny
post #11 of 25
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Originally Posted by neetanddave View Post
It sounded like a challenge to me. He said check it out, so I did.
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I just thought it was funny
I'm sure he didn't mean it literally

but it was a little off topic and you know what Tricia says about off topic posts
post #12 of 25
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but it was a little off topic and you know what Tricia says about off topic posts
Uh-oh! Tricia coming in with her guns!

That said, that is insane Lee. I'm sorry, but there are people out there who are evil, yes....but to make a generalization like that....it's like saying all cat owners are insane.
post #13 of 25
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I'm sure he didn't mean it literally

but it was a little off topic and you know what Tricia says about off topic posts
Well, I saw the title "In eleven months, my first IMO post." and the first couple lines as being part of the subject....

We can discuss the Axis of Evil. I think they are all three still in place. All three countries still pose a threat to life as we know it. Nuclear capabilities, genocide, misappropriation of the Food for Oil funds. The regimes in place in these countries have their own agendas, and we need to keep up our efforts to give the good people of these countries the means to overthrow their leaders. Sorry to say, but the Axis of Evil includes the current citizens of those countries, at least the ones that are not doing everything they can to oppose the wrongs their leaders are inflicting on the world.

As Bush said, you are either with us or you are against us. No one has come up with a better plan than what we have, or at least hasn't had the brass to implement it.
post #14 of 25
I thought that the AXIS OF EVIL was a wrestling tag team.

Honestly - the term is a bunch of hooey. Individual and regimes may do things that seem "evil" but a "people" or "country" in general cannot be.

I bet many Iraqis thought that the term "Shock and Awe" for the start of the war should have been named something with "evil" in it.
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it's like saying all cat owners are insane.
Yeah cause we are so normal
post #16 of 25
Isn't there a version of Risk that is called Axis of Evil?

Be rest asured though, we'll find someone else to fill Iraw and N. Korea's spot.
post #17 of 25
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Well, I saw the title "In eleven months, my first IMO post." and the first couple lines as being part of the subject....

We can discuss the Axis of Evil. I think they are all three still in place. All three countries still pose a threat to life as we know it. Nuclear capabilities, genocide, misappropriation of the Food for Oil funds. The regimes in place in these countries have their own agendas, and we need to keep up our efforts to give the good people of these countries the means to overthrow their leaders. Sorry to say, but the Axis of Evil includes the current citizens of those countries, at least the ones that are not doing everything they can to oppose the wrongs their leaders are inflicting on the world.

As Bush said, you are either with us or you are against us. No one has come up with a better plan than what we have, or at least hasn't had the brass to implement it.
Sorry, Neet, but I think a lot of countries probably view the U.S., among other countries, as a threat to world peace. I'm not claiming that's true, although I often have doubts, but perception is everything.

As far as Bush's "You are either with us or you are against us", all that did was foster paranoia, which leads to arms races (cf. North Korea and Iran). The whole "Axis of Evil" business was just plain stupid, and made the U.S. appear to be a bully not interested in diplomacy.

To all:
I really only pull out my guns to warn that a thread might be pulled, or warnings/infractions issued if it goes on in the same vein, because there are arguments that get overheated, and some posters forget the rules. Sorry, I deal with unruly teens and twens every day IRL, and is a short version of "Do you really want to continue in this manner, and see what it's like when I lose my patience?" I have this one in reserve: is a gentle reminder, and I try to use it sparingly.
post #18 of 25
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Isn't there a version of Risk that is called Axis of Evil?

Be rest asured though, we'll find someone else to fill Iraw and N. Korea's spot.
There is a knock-off of Risk called Axis and Allies (ie, the two sides in the world war 2)

Namecalling is juvenile. What actually gets things done is declaring openly exactly what you dislike about another country's POLICIES or ACTIONS, and what you would rather have them do, and why they should listen to you. The average person in any of those countries hasn't much to do with their policies and actions anyway, just like a majority of America disagrees with some of the actions our country is taking. I can only be thankful that most of the rest of the world realizes that everyday citizens of a country are not responsible for its actions.

With us or against us-- heck a lot of countries and people would rather be neither. They aren't against us, but they're not about to follow us blindly into any war.
post #19 of 25
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Sorry, Neet, but I think a lot of countries probably view the U.S., among other countries, as a threat to world peace. I'm not claiming that's true, although I often have doubts, but perception is everything.

As far as Bush's "You are either with us or you are against us", all that did was foster paranoia, which leads to arms races (cf. North Korea and Iran). The whole "Axis of Evil" business was just plain stupid, and made the U.S. appear to be a bully not interested in diplomacy.
Oh, I don't doubt that at all, Tricia. I think all countries should be equally scared of one another. If I had my own country, I'd contemplate closing the borders and blocking all contact with the outside. Build a HUGE wall, and stay there. Only safe place is one you create yourself. But by isolating yourself, you also limit yourself. And the price of not being isolated is exactly what we are faced with now. Being citizens of the world ain't easy.

Oh, and I happen to like it when you have to bring out your guns. We all need a reminder that we are getting close to the edge.

I think my siggy line is pretty applicable to this thread.
post #20 of 25
Tbh, you pick what you can live with in your country, and ignore the rest, unless you Really feel strongly about it. I think gay people should be allowed to adopt from church organisations for example, but i'm not protesting that those organisations are now closing.
You can't say that unless you are fighting the evil in your country with everything you have, you are a part of that evil. They were just born unlucky, and most people won't protest because they want an easier life.
Considering what happens to people who speak out against the government in some countries i really can't blame them, and would do exactly the same in their situation.
post #21 of 25
I wonder why North Korea fell off the short list, as I just heard a report the other day about their nuclear weapons. If Iran is the only one remaining, it must be that Cheney/Halliburton is after the oil money.

No way should you or your wife and her family take this personally. It's all about a handful of people that happen to be in power within our government taking advantage of their power to line their pockets.
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No way should you or your wife and her family take this personally. It's all about a handful of people that happen to be in power within our government taking advantage of their power to line their pockets.
I am not politically eloquent. Just want to say that, in my experience, the common citizen is rarely in touch with what their government is truly doing. I think the common people need to overthrow all the warmongering leaders, but that is just me
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Originally Posted by neetanddave View Post
Actually, you have. A thread with a picture of Dick Cheney holding a shotgun. http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=123730
There you go, I was so upset I did not even remember that one. OK, two. But don't count this as three.
post #24 of 25
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[quote=neetanddave;1854795] Sorry to say, but the Axis of Evil includes the current citizens of those countries, at least the ones that are not doing everything they can to oppose the wrongs their leaders are inflicting on the world.

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My wife and her sisters left. They got tired of men telling them they had to keep their hair covered.
post #25 of 25
Part of the problem too is that people don't really know about people in other countries, only what the media and their governments tell them. I work with a young man whose parents came from Pakistan. He still has family there and just got back from a 1 month leave of absence to visit family there. He is a Muslim but certainly not a religious extremist. He doesn't even like to watch the news because what is put out on the news about Pakistan is so negatively slanted that it is bordering on being an outright lie. He says if he didn't know better he would have an all negative view of Pakistan.
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