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derelict

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hmmm... We were sooo anxious about this, this morning, but now I don't know if it's an issue or not... ??
I would be grateful for any advice from anyone here.


We have a one-year-old (mostly) Siamese male here named Yoda, that we rescued last year from a filthy yard. He's a beautiful, healthy boy of 10 lbs of solid muscle!! He's mostly indoor, tho we let him out now and then if we're out there as well (he does NOT go outside without supervision). We have two other adult males who are entirely outdoor cats (they used to come in, but haven't since he joined the household because he always pounces on them!!).

Anyway, we've been wanting a girl cat in our family, and we thought Yoda might like some company to play with because we don't attend to him as much as he'd like. We adopted a 3-month-old girl from a local rescue organization (ummm... Purrfect Cat Rescue - I hope advertisements aren't forbidden here??); they assured us that she was very accustomed to dealing with larger males.

However, he chases her around the house constantly, pouncing on her, and has been biting at her very hard, or what seems very hard to me, and I'm a little worried about it. He makes his little mrrping sounds when he's pouncing on her, like he does when he's playing with toys, so I think that HE thinks he's playing... but he just pins her to the floor and she can't get away - and he out-weighs her by about 7 pounds.

Should we worry about this, or is this normal behavior?? Will he hurt her?? Should we intervene, or just leave them alone??

For now, we've decided to separate them when we aren't around, and try to calmly intervene if he gets too aggressive, maybe that's all that's needed?? Yesterday it seemed as if she was trying to get away from him, but this afternoon when we let her out of the bedroom, they seemed very happy to see each other, which is making me suspect that I was over-reacting before...

BTW, I've been living with cats, and caring for them, most of my life (which is more decades than I want to think about!!), but in the past I always had animals that came to me, and usually were already adults; having kittens around is a new experience - I'm a daddy!! (Yikes!). So we're both a little over-protective maybe...

(BTW, all of our babes are spayed/neutered)
 

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I do understand this situation somewhat. My cat, Possum, is a very small cat. Heâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]s an adult cat, heâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]s not going to grow anymore (heâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]s over 1 ½), yet heâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]s seems to be about the size of a 9-month-old cat. My other kitty, Loki, is a normal sized cat, and heâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]s gained weight in the last few months, I think because he was neutered at 2 years old, right before I got him. (He doesnâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]t seem to eat that much.) Anyway, when they play fight and wrestle around it can look like King Kong vs. a normal gorilla! When they play they can also bite, and it does look a little scary. The biting looks hard, but there doesnâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]t seem to be any real aggression , itâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]s just playing.

Now, with your kitties, it probably is just playing around, but however, Yoda might not know his own strength since at 1-year-old, he is still somewhat in his kittenhood. The little girl at only 3 months may not be strong enough to adequately defend herself when Yoda accidentally gets too rough. I think separating them for awhile while you arenâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]t around, until she gets a little bigger is a good idea, as is calmly intervening when it looks too rough. However, I wouldnâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]t immediately break them up, Iâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]d observe and see how the little girl is doing. If she looks like she isnâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]t playing, then go ahead and break them up, and maybe try playing with them both, redirecting them to a new toy.

Tricia
 

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Yeah, we've got a similar situation. We have a 10 month old cat who is pretty large and muscular and a 10 week old cheeky little kitten. Sooty, the elder 'resident' cat is still not entirely enamoured with Courgette, but does make the little playful noises and waits outside her safe room when she's miaowing to get out in the morning.

They spend most of their time doing exactly what you've described. I'd imagine, though I may be wrong, that the size discrepency is bigger in my situation given the ages of the cats. When Sooty catches Courgette he hugs her and bites around her neck. She protests and yelps. I have noticed however that she protests and yelps when he is not even biting her and even when she is getting frustrated with a normal cat toy. They don't really 'fight' unless she runs around not paying attention to the stalking big panther (sooty is a black cat) which she's goaded into 'hunt' mode.
I haven't seperated them for the last few days as the 'attacks' have softened up a little and more often than not Sooty is content to just watch her run around.

The other day Sooty pawed at Courgette and one of his claws GOT STUCK in Courgette's skin, just above her eye! He didn't mean it and he was trying to take it out. We got the claw out, but the little one didn't even flinch. So make no mistake, these little kittens are tough little critters! One of the members on this site advised me to only break them up when the little one starts being really scared of the bully... which usually shows in their posture and movements. Apparently if they are gingerly walking around with their tail low this means they are unduly frightened.

I would still seperate them for one or two weeks at night and when you are not supervising them. In time hopefully the attacks will get less as your big cat gets bored of constantly hunting the little thing.

Good luck!
 

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Ah it's Radar and Sonic all over again! They still roll around the floor in a big bundle of cat.

I think your instincts are right - they are playing, but because of the size difference it's best to separate them when you're not around to supervise, and to intervene when it looks as if the little one is not enjoying the rough and tumble.
 
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I thank all of you very much for your replies!! It's very reassuring to know that others are experiencing the same thing...

Yoda did seem to be waiting outside the garage door this morning, for us to let Jasmine out (like Micharion described); that's a good sign, I think. \t
The main problem, for Yoda, is that Jasmine doesn't seem to play with him. Hopefully that will change as she gets older. When she got tired of him pouncing on her this morning (he wasn't biting, tho), she just jumped up into my lap and went to sleep. He walked around for awhile, mrrrping quietly, then just laid down next to us and is resting. Clearly he wants to play... hopefully this will work out as she gets larger.

God bless you all!!
 

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1st off, welcome to TCS.

It sounds like your little boy is just a lover in a fighters body. He sounds like he just wants to heap love and attention on her, but doesn't know how to interact appropriately with a baby. As a baby she doesn't have a chance to "overpower" him, so she may be a bit intimidated. I would suggest that you try to supervise thier play for the 1st little while. Maybe do some interact toys (eg, wand toys, lazer tag). That will allow them to run and attack the toy while still interacting appropriately together. Another benefit of playing interactively with them is the play may tire them out a little. Once they play together and tire out together they may come to "nest" or rest together. Make sure that Yoda still gets plenty of one on one time with you so that he does not have jealousy issues to take out on the baby. It is important that he still feels like he is special to you. In many ways cats are like children. When a new one joins in the family, there is a period of adjustment and testing - not just of each other, but of their boundries with you.

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Originally Posted by derelict

I thank all of you very much for your replies!! It's very reassuring to know that others are experiencing the same thing...

Yoda did seem to be waiting outside the garage door this morning, for us to let Jasmine out (like Micharion described); that's a good sign, I think. \t
The main problem, for Yoda, is that Jasmine doesn't seem to play with him. Hopefully that will change as she gets older. When she got tired of him pouncing on her this morning (he wasn't biting, tho), she just jumped up into my lap and went to sleep. He walked around for awhile, mrrrping quietly, then just laid down next to us and is resting. Clearly he wants to play... hopefully this will work out as she gets larger.

God bless you all!!
Looks like it's resolving itself... those ARE good signs and I'm sure they'll both be having fun in no time
 
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Wow!! And tonite, they're chasing each other around the house!! At one point, Yoda pinned her to the floor and chomped on her - she yowled, jumped up and scampered away, with him hot on her tail...

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... and then she circled around the living room chair and blind-sided him at full speed, knocking him for a loop!!!


I guess we can stop worrying, eh?!?!

We're still going to keep them separated when we aren't around, just in case, but otherwise I think we have a new family!!
 
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