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post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
So I recently dyed my hair dark brown. It was too dark so I tried to lighten it up a few shades. Now right on the crown of my head seems greasy. Even right after I wash it. What will make it be normal again?
post #2 of 24
Did you have a professional dye it, or did you do it yourself?
post #3 of 24
What hair color line did you use? What did you use to lighten the color? What shampoo do you use? I am a licensed barber/cosmetologist... I am going to need more information to go off of!
post #4 of 24
Thread Starter 
I can't remember what i used the first time. But the second time it was herbal essences (I have used this one before). And I use Pantene Pro V.
post #5 of 24
Mmm... the chemicals from the hair color strip the oils out of the hair, so I can't imagine that it is greasy. Is it just more shiny than your other hair? Details about what color was used and how it was applied would be helpful.

Maybe trixie23 has some ideas.

Oops, I think we posted at the same time.
post #6 of 24
Did you lighten it with shampoo?
post #7 of 24
There is your problem! Pantene Pro-V is a highly waxed based product which causes a coating on the cuticle and hair shaft, the wax base also prohibits it from proper cleansing because it is actually causing build-up (and even color penetration)! As for Herbal Essence haircolor stay away from it (if you can, unless it has been reformulated since 2001)... Most of it is a metallic compound which is not only damaging to the hair but it cannot be color corrected with professional products... Professional color lines are an alkaline compound and when an alkaline and metallic compound mix it cause a chemical reaction. Some metallic things include Sun-In, Henna, Herbal Essence Hair color, etc! Avoid metallic dyes (in general) because if you make a mistake it is almost impossible to do a magnificent color correction! I would suggest seeking a professional!

What did you do to lighten the color? Note that color cannot be removed by color, it needs to be lifted with a bleach or in combination of a highlift color! In some situations hair will become greasy if the color has not been fully shampoo'd out! I have encountered this many times! You should do a full shampoo with scalp massage at least two times when rinsing!
post #8 of 24
Thread Starter 
I dyed it and tried to dye it lighter. And it has been 2 weeks. And the waxy/greasy feel is only is one spot.
post #9 of 24
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Originally Posted by trixie23 View Post
There is your problem! Pantene Pro-V is a highly waxed based product which causes a coating on the cuticle and hair shaft, the wax base also prohibits it from proper cleansing because it is actually causing build-up (and even color penetration)! As for Herbal Essence haircolor stay away from it (if you can, unless it has been reformulated since 2001)... Most of it is a metallic compound which is not only damaging to the hair but it cannot be color corrected with professional products... Professional color lines are an alkaline compound and when an alkaline and metallic compound mix it cause a chemical reaction. Some metallic things include Sun-In, Henna, Herbal Essence Hair color, etc! Avoid metallic dyes (in general) because if you make a mistake it is almost impossible to do a magnificent color correction! I would suggest seeking a professional!

What did you do to lighten the color? Note that color cannot be removed by color, it needs to be lifted with a bleach or in combination of a highlift color! In some situations hair will become greasy if the color has not been fully shampoo'd out! I have encountered this many times! You should do a full shampoo with scalp massage at least two times when rinsing!

Ahh, I use Pantene

Funny though, your not the first person who said it was no good... What shampoo/conditioner do you recommend?
post #10 of 24
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Originally Posted by Roxie225 View Post
Ahh, I use Pantene

Funny though, your not the first person who said it was no good... What shampoo/conditioner do you recommend?

I love how soft it makes my hair.
post #11 of 24
What color line did you dye it with the first time and what shade, with what peroxide? What color line did you use to lighten it, what shade, and with what peroxide? Was the lightening process successful? How many levels lighter are you know from where you started? What shampoo have you been using in the meantime? You may want to consider a clarifying shampoo or even a dandruff shampoo (Im sorry I only recommend professional products so I can not give you a store bought suggestion) to minimize the oilness... Note the clarifying shampoo will strip your color! You may want to see a professional and have your scalp examined... you could have pityriasis capitas (oily dandruff) or some other scalp condition! It could be many things, I need more info!
post #12 of 24
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Originally Posted by Roxie225 View Post
Ahh, I use Pantene

Funny though, your not the first person who said it was no good... What shampoo/conditioner do you recommend?

My favorite product lines are TIGI Bedhead, they also have a new wonderful line... The S-Factor line (some sulfate free shampoos which rid off the harshness all shampoos have, lowers the ph), I also like TIGI Catwalk, Matrix (Biolage), Nexxus, Redken (love the Extreme), and Kenra... My top fav's at the moment! I don't use store bought shampoo's... Most are wax based and some are really high on the ph scale! Of course you will pay more for professional products but they are worth it (I am lucky and get them at wholesale cost because I am licensed).


Here are some links:

http://tigihaircare.us/tigi/sfactor/default.aspx (TIGI S-Factor)
http://tigihaircare.us/tigi/bedhead/home.aspx (TIGI Bedhead)
http://tigihaircare.us/tigi/catwalk/default.aspx (TIGI Catwalk)
http://www.matrix.com/products/biolage/ (Matrix Biolage)
http://www.nexxus.com/ (Nexxus)
http://www.redken.com/ (Redken)
http://www.kenra.com/ (Kenra)

I'll post some links:
post #13 of 24
Thread Starter 
It was a store bought brand I went from light blondish brown to almost black. The next dye didn't do much. (herbal essences) I have used pantene for years and dyed my hair several times while using it.
post #14 of 24
That is the wax based coating that is giving it a "soft appeal". Wax is not good for your scalp (it causes buildup, and follicle blockage) I once was able to view my scalp under a microscope (Nioxin product line class I took) it was amazing to see the buildup and all of the effects styling aids produce on our scalps. Many times if the shampoo has minimal cleansing agents all it is doing is mushing up the buildup on your scalp and then hardening again, it is not actually cleansing the issue away!
post #15 of 24
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by trixie23 View Post
That is the wax based coating that is giving it a "soft appeal". Wax is not good for your scalp (it causes buildup, and follicle blockage) I once was able to view my scalp under a microscope (Nioxin product line class I took) it was amazing to see the buildup and all of the effects styling aids produce on our scalps. Many times if the shampoo has minimal cleansing agents all it is doing is mushing up the buildup on your scalp and then hardening again, it is not actually cleansing the issue away!
Wow that sounds so gross! I might be switching shampoo very soon!
post #16 of 24
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Originally Posted by Phenomsmom View Post
It was a store bought brand I went from light blondish brown to almost black. The next dye didn't do much. (herbal essences) I have used pantene for years and dyed my hair several times while using it.
So you started off light blonde/brown and then just dyed it black? Or where you dying it a color and it grabbed darker than it was suppose to (resulting in almost black)? Then I am assuming the "almost black" was too dark and you tried to lighten it? Did it lighten at all? It really shouldn't have since you tried removing color with color (which does not work)?
post #17 of 24
I'll be getting my hair colored red again in 2 weeks. So I should be using the Nexxus products? Which ones in particular? Is the Bio ones ok?
post #18 of 24
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
I'll be getting my hair colored red again in 2 weeks. So I should be using the Nexxus products? Which ones in particular? Is the Bio ones ok?

Arr I wrote a whole paragraph for you and it just got erased!

Red is the hardest color to keep yet it is the hardest color to remove. Whenever I was a red head I swore by the Artec Shampoo line, it is an amazing shampoo color deposit line (they have many variations of red formulations)! If you go to a full-service salon as about this product, in some cases they can formulate a shampoo for you to take home to maintain tonailty and vibrancy! I swear by it! My favorite color shampoos are: TIGI Catwalk, Matrix Biolage, Nexxus, and Kenra. I have not been able to use the TIGI S-Factor line yet (it is expensive, even for me)!

Here are the links:

http://www.kenra.com/ProductDetails.aspx?ID=4 (Kenra Color Shampoo, use with any prefered Kenra Conditioner)

http://tigihaircare.us/tigi/sfactor/...lor-savvy.aspx (TIGI S-Factor Color Shampoo/Conditioner... Sulfate-Free which is amazing because it is low on the ph scale and won't strip your color)

http://tigihaircare.us/tigi/catwalk/...ew=Colour+Safe (TIGI Catwalk Fashionista Color line... My fav at the moment.. Smells like grapes)

http://www.matrix.com/products/biola...etherapie.aspx (Matrix Biolage)

http://www.nexxus.com/hair_care_type...t_shampoo.html (Nexxus Color Assure)

http://www.redken.com/products/displayBrand.cfm?b=265 (Redken Color Extend... also very nice)

Avoid dandruff shampoo's and clarifying shampoos... They are high on the ph scale and strip color!
post #19 of 24
Trixie, I love it that you know so much about the science behind the products! May I ask... is Clairol Hydrience a bad choice? And can you suggest a way to condition that would soften my ends without plastering the rest of my hair to my head?

And where can we all send your consulting fees?
post #20 of 24
Carol,

I'm not a hair dresser but would like to suggest a solution about the conditioner. Wash your hair first. Then put on the conditioner only from the middle to the ends (not all over). Keep the conditioner in your hair till you are finished washing your body - rinse it out as the last thing you do.
post #21 of 24
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Originally Posted by trixie23 View Post
Red is the hardest color to keep yet it is the hardest color to remove.
I am a redhead out of a bottle. I totally agree with this statement. I hate that I cannot keep my hair looking like Marcia Cross', or Kate Walsh's.
I love their hair color

I was meant to be born with red hair, I am sure!! But instead it is naturally dark brown. I color it regularly myself. I was told by a hair colorist that to keep it from getting too light when coloring to use 10 volume lift.? Gets a pretty color...for a while....then it fades again.

Do you think Marcia Cross and Kate Walsh's hair is naturally that color??
post #22 of 24
You can send me pm's if you have questions! I think Marcia Cross is a red head, if not she has a great stylist that gives her a natural looking effect! As for the clarol product I will check out the ingredients on the net tomorrow and get back to you As for conditioner... It is not needed at the scalp so much as it is in the cold strand and at the ends (cold strand is the mid length between the scalp and ends)! What conditioner are you using... Some conditioners can weigh hair down, I try to avoid using it at the scalp... Especially since I have very fine hair!
post #23 of 24
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Originally Posted by Phenomsmom View Post

I love how soft it makes my hair.
Me too!
post #24 of 24
Thanks, GoldenKitty! That makes perfect sense... and come to think of it, I guess I really don't need to detangle the roots, at least not if I brush it well before washing and don't scrub too wildly!

The conditioners I've been using: there's a really nice cream that comes with the Hydrience hair color, and I try to make that last awhile after each coloring... and when that runs out, I've got --

Well, I just had to go look at the bottle, that shows you how much thought I've put into this! It's something my mom bought: Pantene Hydrating Curls in the giant economy you-better-like-it-'cause-you're-never-going-to-run-out-of-it size. And you've already said that Pantene is waxy! So no wonder I've got trouble with my fine, flat hair...
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