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post #181 of 206
For those that say that they don't know any successful potheads: the reason is simple. They will not publicly admit to smoking pot for the very, very simple reason that it IS illegal, and they do NOT want to risk losing their jobs as a result of making such an admission to the wrong person.

There are plenty who would drop a dime on them. In my opinion, it would be more stupid to ADMIT that you smoke it than to actually smoke it.

I smoked it throughout college, and I graduated Magna cum Laude, got a Silver Key award, got selected for Who's Who Among American College Students, and in my last college semester I smoked my head off and got an A for each of the SEVEN full-time courses that I took my last semester before graduation, PLUS I was president of three campus organizations and one local non-profit community organization at the same time. Oh - and I was a single parent of an elementary school age child as well. Full time student, full time mom, part time non-profit volunteer. I was a BUSY BEE and doing EXTREMELY well.

I smoked my head off because it was stress-relieving for me. It is a nice little escape from having to think TOO MUCH. It gave me a break from my responsibilities that was enjoyable. I rarely ever drank then or now. I never liked feeling "buzzed" from alcohol, but the pot high was very much like the feeling I get now from the anti-anxiety prescription drug that I take occasionally. It simply brought relaxation. And the munchies, of course, which turned out to be a good thing when I was running around like a chicken with my head cut off and forgetting to stop to eat.

Now, that may be stupidly admitting too much about myself, but those of you who say you don't know - you're right. You really don't know, simply because it is not within your realm of experience. It is MORE than possible to be a "pothead" and be HIGHLY successful.

Not all pot smokers are losers or unsuccessful. In fact, most of them are just way too smart to admit their use of the drug, that's all. It's quite simple, actually.

I've said it before, I personally know or have known pot smokers that are doctors, lawyers, law enforcement officials, teachers, even a life scientist! Those that use it but don't abuse it are those that do NOT smoke while on the job - they use it recreationally.

I stand by my position: It should be legalized and regulated for many positive reasons. ESPECIALLY for medical purposes. Just one former successful pothead's opinion.
post #182 of 206
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Originally Posted by GingersMom View Post

I stand by my position: It should be legalized and regulated for many positive reasons. ESPECIALLY for medical purposes. Just one former successful pothead's opinion.
Just curious - and of course, if its too personal, forgive me for asking, but why did you quit?
post #183 of 206
Thank you, exactly what I said but much better... alot to back up your statement, I like that.
post #184 of 206
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Originally Posted by Rockcat View Post
Just curious - and of course, if its too personal, forgive me for asking, but why did you quit?
The cost and availability. It got too expensive to buy and too hard to get.

Some of the folks I hang out with smoke it, but most have given it up. Now we spend our money on things like cats and chrome for our Harleys.
post #185 of 206
What about the taxation of marijuana by states in which it is illegal? Usually the 'tax' is ridiculously high and levied only against people who have more than what an average consumer would http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=4516 but, it makes what may have been a pretty serious misdemeanor into a felony with a much higher fine. It seems like a really strange way to increase punishments.

How are you supposed to tax something that you aren't supposed to have?
post #186 of 206
I agree it gets expensive, well it was for me. I stopped smoking schwag (cheap weed) and would only smoke dank (aka nugs... premium stuff)... at $50 an 1/8 and about 3 1/8's a week it was getting too expensive. Granted that is not why I quit, but I have much more money now than I had when I smoked. Plus you end up with different wants in life (ones that last longer than an hour at a time) and something to show for your expenses.
post #187 of 206
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Originally Posted by GingersMom View Post
For those that say that they don't know any successful potheads: the reason is simple. They will not publicly admit to smoking pot for the very, very simple reason that it IS illegal, and they do NOT want to risk losing their jobs as a result of making such an admission to the wrong person.

EXACTLY! Just because I admit to smoking in the past on a message board doesn't mean I tell everyone I know. I am very selective with whom I bring the topic up and how I discuss it. And when I smoked regularly, only my husband and smoking buddies knew. It was not something I told people in school or at work. Now that I'm not legally liable anymore though, I do tell more people just to educate the ignorant.
post #188 of 206
Clarification:

When I said it became too hard to get, that is because the people I hung out with were all growing older and growing up. There is PLENTY available, but it seems to me now (having a 23 year old daughter who smokes it) that the highest availability is to the youth who have the most disposable income.

I was NOT comfortable buying it from what are essentially children, so that is one of the reasons it got phased out of my life. I guess it does depend on your circles of friends - as we grow and change, so do our acquaintances.

If it was made legal and wasn't too expensive, I might even indulge again! But for now, I'll have a shot of Patron every once in a while when I'm feeling like I need some "medicinal" stress relief.
post #189 of 206
I try to be selective, everyone at my work knows (unfortunately my bosses) because I was once busted and now it is a permanent mark on my record (office job, people talk). Im glad I have grown up and realized it isn't worth the consequences... I haven't touched the stuff in two years come this august. I dont ever intend to again (not that my health would permit it anyways)... Figured Id share a little experience so the spotlight wouldn't shine on just one person (or any possible judgement by that means)
post #190 of 206
I am quit lucky to live in a state where possession of less than 3.5 ozs is treated similarly to a traffic violation-- minor misdemeanor, no jail, and no permanent record, just a fine. Strangely possession of paraphernalia isn't treated the same way...

I don't see the good in stuffing jails full of people who had an amount that was clearly for personal use.

Just a reminder... some of you are publicly confessing to things that are crimes, or confessing to things that other people are doing that are crimes, and it is quite possible to figure out exactly who you are and where you live. It might be prudent to not confess to illegal activity in a completely public forum. It may feel anonymous, but it isn't.
post #191 of 206
Shouldn't we be discussing "decriminalization", rather than "legalization", at this point?
post #192 of 206
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Originally Posted by GingersMom View Post
The cost and availability. It got too expensive to buy and too hard to get.

Some of the folks I hang out with smoke it, but most have given it up. Now we spend our money on things like cats and chrome for our Harleys.
Ah... the important things in life.
post #193 of 206
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
Just a reminder... some of you are publicly confessing to things that are crimes, or confessing to things that other people are doing that are crimes, and it is quite possible to figure out exactly who you are and where you live. It might be prudent to not confess to illegal activity in a completely public forum. It may feel anonymous, but it isn't.
A good reminder, and I am well aware that my ISP is traceable, and there are quite a few TCS members that have my contact info. My coworkers are aware that I used to smoke it, as are my parents, as is my daughter.

However, I am not ashamed of who I am and while I have some regrets about my past, smoking pot isn't one of them. It's a fond memory, not a bad one.

I did put some thought to my post: I am cognizant that this is a sticky subject because of the potential legal implications.

That said, I cannot be "busted" for past behavior, and I live a good, clean life at present, so I am not afraid of any potential repercussion at this point.

And I agree, perhaps decriminalization is the better way to go. Let's make more room in our jails for those who truly deserve to be there. The poor excuse for a man that slashed my daughter's throat spent less time in lockup for attempted murder than he would have for dealing a pound of pot.

There's something REALLY wrong with that picture.
post #194 of 206
I really do not care if I am admitting to a crime of my past, I've paid the penalty for it and I was using it as an example as to why messing with pot has consequences, its not as if I am admitting to a felony, it was a misdemeanor. Look me up, what are you going to do? Report me for something I was cited for almost 3 years ago, I paid the price and I used my experience as an example of what the conseqences are rather than just the effects it has on your mind, body, and health? What I have done in the past, is no secret therefor I see no wrong in admitting to my mistakes of the past. If I can help someone not make the mistakes by exploiting mine then I will do so, I am only human and not ashamed of the mistakes I have made (life is a learning process of good and bad situations). Too be honest I think I got off quite lightly. Here if you carry anything, you will be arrested and sited. I am not sure what quantity calls for a felony here but I think they are pretty leniant (I think a multiple amount of ounces to a pound or more should qualify as intent to sell and be classified as a felony) considering it is illegal (I dont think it should be but this is what I consider fair, if I have to follow the judicial system). I am no longer in contact with it, around it, or use it. Exploit away, the officials would just laugh because it isn't breaking news, it was a misdemeanor, and I have been clean for years.

Also I do agree we should be talking about decriminalization at this point and that is where I was headed with the situation. Every state's standards are different when it comes to possession ... What one state classifies as a misdemeanor another classifies it as a felony. There are certain juristictions where any possession of MJ, no matter how little, is an automatic felony. The rules vary throughout the US.

Im really not worried If I am anonymous or not, because there is nothing anyone can do to me... Sorry! I have comitted no recent crimes, and the one I had comitted I was sited for. I was sharing my experience because it goes to show some things aren't worth it... That is a mark on my record for the rest of my life, that is all i was saying.
post #195 of 206
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post

Just a reminder... some of you are publicly confessing to things that are crimes, or confessing to things that other people are doing that are crimes, and it is quite possible to figure out exactly who you are and where you live. It might be prudent to not confess to illegal activity in a completely public forum. It may feel anonymous, but it isn't.
Yup, that's a good reminder.
post #196 of 206
Here is a quote from the Oregon State Bar website:

"Although Oregon has not legalized marijuana, possession of less than one ounce of marijuana is punishable only by a fine of $500 up to a maximum of $1000. This is not a criminal conviction. Possession of one ounce or more of marijuana is a Class B felony, punishable by a maximum ten year prison sentence and a $100,000 fine. If you are convicted of possessing more than an ounce of marijuana, and you have not been convicted of a drug offense before, you may ask for a 'conditional discharge.' This means the judge will place you on probation for up to five years with the understanding that if you obey all the terms and conditions of your probation, the charges will be dismissed at the end of the probationary period. If the charges are dismissed, you may truthfully say that you were never convicted of that charge."

"Manufacturing any amount of marijuana is a very serious offense. 'Manufacturing' means growing even one plant and packaging, repackaging, labeling or relabeling marijuana. Manufacturing marijuana is a Class A felony punishable by a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison and a $100,000 fine."

"Finally, knowingly maintaining, visiting or even staying at a place where people are using, storing, or selling marijuana is a Class A Misdemeanor punishable by up to a year in jail and a $5,000 fine. However, if the amount of marijuana is one ounce or less, and it is just kept or used on the premises, the fine is $100. This too, is not a criminal conviction."

Just thought this was interesting.
post #197 of 206
Wow $100? That is far more decent than here. Anything under an ounce is around $450 (it may be more now), you do not have to show up in court (not required) you are not put on probation if it is a first offense, and it is classified as a misdemeanor. See!!! Every state is completely different from the next. If I had the time to research I would go over the terms of convinction for each state just to see the various differences from one to the next, and then for the perk of it, base my judgement of which is the most reasonable.
post #198 of 206
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Originally Posted by GingersMom View Post
A good reminder, and I am well aware that my ISP is traceable, and there are quite a few TCS members that have my contact info. My coworkers are aware that I used to smoke it, as are my parents, as is my daughter.

However, I am not ashamed of who I am and while I have some regrets about my past, smoking pot isn't one of them. It's a fond memory, not a bad one.

I did put some thought to my post: I am cognizant that this is a sticky subject because of the potential legal implications.

That said, I cannot be "busted" for past behavior, and I live a good, clean life at present, so I am not afraid of any potential repercussion at this point.

And I agree, perhaps decriminalization is the better way to go. Let's make more room in our jails for those who truly deserve to be there. The poor excuse for a man that slashed my daughter's throat spent less time in lockup for attempted murder than he would have for dealing a pound of pot.

There's something REALLY wrong with that picture.
I wasn't thinking of anyone in particular, but you mentioned your daughter currently smoking pot... In many areas the statute of limitations is longer than you would think.

People are reacting like I was threatening to go tell the police. If you read my feelings below, I am most certainly not, nor would I ever dream of being a narc even of my greatest enemy. And no, it isn't likely that the police would care about anything in this thread. But it's still a thought. You'll notice that I have never once said anything about my own personal consumption, or not, of marijuana. People get fired for pictures of other people post of them on Facebook drinking when they're 20-- I just don't underestimate it anymore.
post #199 of 206
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Originally Posted by GingersMom View Post
However, I am not ashamed of who I am and while I have some regrets about my past, smoking pot isn't one of them. It's a fond memory, not a bad one.

I did put some thought to my post: I am cognizant that this is a sticky subject because of the potential legal implications.

That said, I cannot be "busted" for past behavior, and I live a good, clean life at present, so I am not afraid of any potential repercussion at this point.
Exactly. I'm sure some of you think we're being very dumb by revealing our pasts on here, but they can't bust you for something you did in the past! And unless I ever decide to join the CIA, I don't think any future employer will be able to trace these posts. Of course, unless our freedoms continue to be eroded away... Anyway, I don't know many people who think a little pot smoking is something that dooms you forever to be a worthless person, especially if I am no longer using. Apparently, there are a few on here that do feel that I have never and never will amount to anything, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't ever want to work for you (or be in a position where I would be) anyway.

It is indeed a fond memory, and I think my experiences are good for others to hear who haven't been exposed to the same things I have.
post #200 of 206
Zissou... when I was a major pothead in college (as we all were), I posted on a marijuana forum. Everything was out in the open. Nothing ever happened to anyone. Of course, no one could openly make "contacts" on the board, but other than that, we were allowed to talk about anything and no one was ever busted. It makes me think that legally, they haven't really found a way to use a casual message board (where everyone could be fiction and all stories made up) against someone. Someone can feel free to prove me wrong... this was several years ago.

Some people would put this silly quote at the end of their sigline:
"All my posts are fictional and I am role-playing." or something like that.

Those people that did get busted were stupid teenagers, and when they were through with the ordeal to tell the boards, the whole posting on the internet thing was never a big deal. It was the whole driving while high, *dumb* smoking a blunt at school, *dumber* or keeping it on them while they traveled or something *dumbest* that got them busted, and the internet was never a factor in their convictions.
post #201 of 206
I don't think it's a matter of worrying about prosecution. It's more that, in this day in age, you could have aquaintances (parents of kids' friends), coworkers or even superiors who know you are on this site or who are on too and you haven't as yet discovered each other. Or whom will one day visit and maybe you'll tell them your screenname, they'll search your post history. Okay, maybe a longshot, but worth keeping in mind. I think Zissou is just reminding us of the possibility, not making judgements on the act of admission itself. It's just a "hey, food for though, guys" kind of thing. Don't take it as a personal attack.
post #202 of 206
Thread Starter 
I'd like to say that I started this thread because I wondered how many people think marijuana should be legalized. I was kind of surprised (in a good way) at the honesty in the replies. I'm pretty sure everyone here assumes I smoke weed and that doesn't bother me.

I firmly believe marijuana should be legal for all the many reasons that have already been pointed out - regulation, taxation, black market, crime, etc. It's an amazing gift from nature that gives us high-quality protein and cloth that wears like iron. Making a plant illegal is something that I can't wrap my head around.

I do not eat refined sugar, I consider it poison; I don't/can't take any over-the-counter meds; I don't smoke cigarettes; and I rarely drink even a glass of wine. I don't do those things - but I don't think they should be illegal, either.

Marijuana could be sold in liquor stores, with the same regulations and controls. People can make their own wine and beer, and should be able to grow their own plants if they want. It makes sense to me that an individual could give any extra to friends, but selling it would mean it would have to be regulated (just like alcohol).

Remember the stories about "moon-shine" being made during prohibition that caused death or blindness? I've heard reports that here in BC, crystal meth is being added to some of the weed being sold. Just think how scary that is, and how unfair to the unsuspecting kid (or anyone). Marijuana needs regulation.

People who want to are going to drink and they are going to smoke, and they will get it whether it is legal or not. If my daughter would smoke marijuana some day, I sure would want it to be as safe as possible for her.

BTW, truth be told, I don't smoke anything - I am asthmatic - and I have to do everything possible to make my lungs healthy. (Asthma is still considered a contraindication to scuba diving and I have to undergo rigorous pulmonary tests to dive.)

I appreciate the honesty here, and hopefully my question did not compel anyone to admit anything they were not comfortable with.

Onward with the discussion!
post #203 of 206
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
I wasn't thinking of anyone in particular, but you mentioned your daughter currently smoking pot... In many areas the statute of limitations is longer than you would think.

People are reacting like I was threatening to go tell the police. If you read my feelings below, I am most certainly not, nor would I ever dream of being a narc even of my greatest enemy. And no, it isn't likely that the police would care about anything in this thread. But it's still a thought. You'll notice that I have never once said anything about my own personal consumption, or not, of marijuana. People get fired for pictures of other people post of them on Facebook drinking when they're 20-- I just don't underestimate it anymore.
Well, my daughter has pot leaves all over her MySpace page and all kinds of references to 4:20 on there, so that is why I felt comfortable "outing" her here.

I did not think you were aiming your comment at me directly at all, but felt I needed to respond anyway.
post #204 of 206
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
Notice I didn't specify close friends. People you know at work and would consider work friends, friends of your friends, etc. And given the fact that you have such strong opinions on it, they probably know that and wouldn't tell you because they know you would judge them.
I was specifying close friends, as well as family members and people I work with. I am very close to many of the people i work with, it is also a family business, and we talk about all kinds of things, including drugs. The people I do not consider close friends, well...I don't give a hoot if they do drugs or not, because I don't hang out with them. But, I will reiterate, NONE of my close friends or people I hang out with on a regular basis smoke pot, and I do know this for a fact. There are others who do, but, they respect how I feel about it, and I respect the fact that they do it, I just choose not to be around it.
post #205 of 206
One doesn't have to participate in certain activities to understand the ramifications of making it legal or keeping it illegal. It is everywhere all around us, in popular culture, on our college campuses, on our schools, in our workplaces, and our jails are going up faster than our schools.
Millions in taxes are going to a so called war on US non-violent citizens, funded by hard earned tax dollars by responsible citizens. As we can clearly see, just because something is illegal doesn’t mean it magically goes away. More laws and higher punishments don’t solve these complex social problem issues. If they did, not one would ever commit murder or other crimes.
I have never smoked but don't believe cigarettes should be illegal. I also don't care for drinking (I hate the taste of beer and am not impressed with most other drinks) and don't believe it should be illegal. I know Native American Indians and other cultures and races use drugs for spirituality. I know there is a country in the world that has de-criminalized to a degree and it is still a successful country. I know that since the drug trade is thriving in the US it in turn creates more crime since it is a black market. I know many people abuse prescription drugs but are not seen as criminals. It causes a lot of problems and last time I checked the stats for a paper the amount of Americans on prescription drugs that altered their mood and mind was overwhelming. I know that if someone is caught with marijuana in California verses being caught with marijuana in another state, it can make the difference between a criminal record for life and prison time verses a mere fine and no criminal record. That is injustice. I know there are drug treatment facilities for abusers, yet they don’t get into trouble since they weren’t caught. There is so much room for subjectivity and that varies from cop, state, country, judge, race, right time and place, and so many other variables.
I believe according to MADD (Mothers Against Drunk Driving) alcohol kills more people than all other drugs combined, it causes many well documented and researched health problems as well, but it perfectly legal. That is a powerful statement and should make people think about legal vs. illegal and human rights. I have seen first hand the horrible effects of drinking on people’s lives, but I still know it would cause far more harm if illegal than it is now. Also, other countries don’t make it such a big deal and you don’t see the type of abuse that you see here. Obviously, what the US is doing is not working.
post #206 of 206
Sometimes it is nice to have an altered state of mind.

But not when working, driving, etc. I'm on the fence as far as making it legal though as I think it takes away a person's motivation and that is not a good thing. Plus it is just another contributing factor for obesity (at least for people that get the munchies)

But for cancer patients or other people in terrible pain, YES, it should be legal.
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