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post #31 of 48
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lyric-Wow! If Tornado were peeing in other locations my husband would want him out immediately! He is not a cat lover, but he doesn't hate them. Because the pee has been contained in a room that we don't use, my husband has been tolerant. He is not happy about replacing the carpet as it was in great condition. I can't blame his as this isn't an expense we needed especially after paying for Tornado's surgery as well as some medical bills of my own. I hope the Cat Attract will work as I don't know how long we can put up with this behavior.

When using Cat Attract, once the cat is using the litter box all the time, would it be ok to mix with regular litter or must you use Cat Attract only in the box? It is not a cheap litter and I worry about Phoebe with her asthma. We have been using Swheat Scoop litter for the last several year and Phoebe has done well with it.
post #32 of 48
I know this is silly but I wish that they would make diapers like they do for dogs. Those doggie diapers...
Angie
post #33 of 48
I did find a link for cat/dog diapers!
I don't know if I can place the link though.
If interested, let me know.
Angie
post #34 of 48
I have two covered litter boxes in my house. Under each of them I have a large square of linoleum (Cushion Floor - don't know what you call it in America) which is easy to clean should there be an "accident" (also useful if I have an accident when cleaning the litter box - like dropping it on the floor, contents and all ). When cats stop using their litter boxes it is usually because there is something physically wrong with them or they are upset about something, a change in their routine perhaps. It really is a difficult one to sort out because they keep using the spot they've soiled. Using any kind of cleaner with ammonia in it just attracts them back to the same spot again.

Some time ago when I had a similar problem with one of my foster cats I was told by one of my friends in the Cat's Protection League to wash the carpet with water which had a good squirt of washing-up liquid in it, giving it a fairly good soaking, get as much of the excess water out as possible (having a Vax cleaner helps on this), then repeating the process several times with just plain water. Let the carpet dry (stop cat from entering that room) then once the carpet is dry clean the area again with Surgical Spirit. DO NOT smoke near it as it's highly flammable if you're a smoker. Let that dry completely (doesn't take too long - maybe a few hours) and that will have completely removed any trace of the cat's urine so the cat shouldn't smell anything familiar and hopefully he should not urinate on this spot again. I've used this method and it does work.
post #35 of 48
Hi Pokey

About your question, can you mix the Cat Attract with another litter...
Eventually I did that in some of the boxes. I left 2 of the boxes just Cat Attract and mixed the others. It seems that all the boxes are used but the Cat Attract box seems to get the most use. Maybe do a box of Cat Attract and a box of the wheat litter, the cats can choose.
post #36 of 48
Swheat Scoop is unscented, right? You can actually by the Cat Attract litter additive from your vet (I don't know why it's only available from the vet) and mix it with your own choice of unscented litter. That might make it less expensive.

http://www.preciouscat.com/attract-l...-your-p-7.html
post #37 of 48
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Originally Posted by cloud_shade View Post
Swheat Scoop is unscented, right? You can actually by the Cat Attract litter additive from your vet (I don't know why it's only available from the vet) and mix it with your own choice of unscented litter. That might make it less expensive.

http://www.preciouscat.com/attract-l...-your-p-7.html
Hmmm...is this the same stuff? It looks like petfooddirect has it.

http://www.petfooddirect.com/store/p...8S0H26HE500439
post #38 of 48
I just saw this, and all i can say is that no one would hate you. I know you're doing the best that you can, and I will be praying for you and for TOrnado.
post #39 of 48
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Originally Posted by pokey318 View Post
When using Cat Attract, once the cat is using the litter box all the time, would it be ok to mix with regular litter or must you use Cat Attract only in the box? It is not a cheap litter and I worry about Phoebe with her asthma. We have been using Swheat Scoop litter for the last several year and Phoebe has done well with it.
Cat Attract comes in pure litter form and also they sell it as an additive. The additive has a stronger odor so that it still attracts them to the litter. It doesn't sound like you are using strongly scented litters in the first place so it will work very well. I usually see the additive's at vets offices, but you can also get it online. When I used it, it was the additive form.

btw, slightly off topic but also slightly on: Dr Elsey, the inventor, is a cat specialist in Englewood Colorado. He works closely with universities to keep up on all of the recent findings concerning cat health. My best friend brings her cats to him and I can't say enough how much I trust him and his products.
post #40 of 48
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Originally Posted by pokey318 View Post
lyric-Wow! If Tornado were peeing in other locations my husband would want him out immediately! He is not a cat lover, but he doesn't hate them. Because the pee has been contained in a room that we don't use, my husband has been tolerant. He is not happy about replacing the carpet as it was in great condition. I can't blame his as this isn't an expense we needed especially after paying for Tornado's surgery as well as some medical bills of my own. I hope the Cat Attract will work as I don't know how long we can put up with this behavior.

When using Cat Attract, once the cat is using the litter box all the time, would it be ok to mix with regular litter or must you use Cat Attract only in the box? It is not a cheap litter and I worry about Phoebe with her asthma. We have been using Swheat Scoop litter for the last several year and Phoebe has done well with it.

Hi
i have a cat with asthma too, the Cat Attract litter has virtually no dust and i've had ****no problems with my boy using it
i do use wheat and corn litter also and because the cat attract is so expensive i mix them

they just like it so much and i dont care for the smell of the wheat litter when its wet, so i mix it with the cat attract

i've never noticed any odor from the cat attract litter itself but then its supposed to appeal to cats not ppl LOL


but when i mix it with the swheetscoop it makes it so it doesnt have that funny yeast smell

i also just got this pelleted litter made with sweetgrass, i think? i'll have to check
i didnt want pellets, didnt know it was pellets, and i didnt think theyd like it, but they do, and my asthmatic boy has no trouble with it at all.

i am really shocked that my Nell will use it because she hates new things and wouldnt' use the other litters i've tried in the past.


good luck! this is such is a difficult problem!!
post #41 of 48
oh goodness, I am so sorry. Since he already has this problem and you are at the last resort it sounds like, what about dog or kitty diapers??
post #42 of 48
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Update-Well Tornado is using the litter box! I saw him use it the first night and was thrilled! I am checking the box several times a day to keep it clean and to see if he is using it.

Come into the cat's room the next morning and find that the litter box has been used; so has the plastic I used to cover the old stains on the carpet. There was a couple of drops of pee on the mat by the litter box, but I think that was from one of the cats going over the side of the box. I have dipp sticks to check the urine here at home as the dog has to have her urine checked every so often, so I checked the urine that was on the plastic. I had no idea when during the night one of them peed on the plastic, but I figured it was better than nothing. Well, the urine had a good bit of blood in it!! Since I saw Tornado use the litter box the night before I began to wonder if maybe it was Phoebe that was peeing on the floor. Tornado did have a UTI at their check up 6 weeks ago and a calcium oxalate stone in his bladder (that has since been removed) and Phoebe's urine was clear, so I just assumed it was Tornado.

Took both cats to the vet yesterday and had them do a urinalysis on both of them. Guess what? Both cats have blood in their urine, Phoebe's was worst than Tornado's. The senior vet wanted to wait and see what my vet wanted to do as far as treatment; he would like to see me put them both on Cosequin. My problem is I am leaving town on Saturday for a week and have a young child come clean the litter and feed them. I can not have a the kid deal with medical also.

Just taked to my vet; she is going to give Tornado a steroid injection to help with the inflammation . Phoebe had an injection yesterday for her asthma; she gets an injection when we are out of town since she will not be getting her inhaler. The vet thinks this will help until we get back in town; then I can start the Cosequin.

I have a feeling this is going to be an ongoing thing for these cats!
post #43 of 48
Our Cat toilet is on the balcony and Max does miss sometimes so I have got a big Piece of Linolium and now he has his own floor under his cat litter box and any accidents can be sorted out with ease
Stu
post #44 of 48
It's good news that it's medical rather than behavioral. Cats who don't want to be going out of the box but are in pain is a much easier problem to solve... hopefully once you can get them the right medicaiton, it'll clear up the urinary tract problems.
post #45 of 48
I don't recommend nature's miracle, It doesn't completely remove the stain therefor it doesn't remove the smell which is why he continues to use it. I feel deeply sorry for you hun, I know its very frustrating, please please, stay patient Tornado still loves you very much and doesn't deserve to die because he is sick, neither does he deserve to live out his remaining years in a shelter. It's true he probably does associate the pain with the litter box. Just please be patient. I've been a groomer for over 4 years now so I have heard and tried a lot of recommendation's for good stain and odor removers and what I have found to work on everything from pet stain and odor to even laundry is plain old white vinegar, Just soak the spots for awhile and vacuum the remainder with any type of carpet powder. Take Tornado to the bathroom as if you where house training a kitten pr puppy all over again, every 1/2 hour, when he goes make a huge deal and give him his favorite treat, you could also use a crate if that doesn't work like puppies. Please hun though, have mercy on the poor thing would you want to be put on death row for a minor U.T.I or be locked up because you where sick? Either way even if you put him in a shelter the sentence is more than likely death as like you said not many people are going to take a senior cat with an illness over a healthy kitten. Just try the method for awhile I promise it will work, if not if you don't live to far away I will personally drive to your house and train him if you'd like. Best of luck and I hope he gets to feeling better soon, the both of you, best wishes
post #46 of 48
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The good news is Tornado is pooping in the litter box ALMOST everytime; he did go on my daughter's bed once during the past week.

The bad news is one of he cats is peeing on the piece of plastic I have covering the old stained areas. Which ever cat it is, is not peeing there all the time. There is plenty to scoop from the litter box and it is only once a day that it is on the plastic. I used a urine test strip to check the urine and there is no blood in it. This means the steroid shots both cats received has helped at least the one peeing on the floor.

I am going to have to give one of the cats the pill to see which one is peeing on the floor. Does anyone know the name of the pill that will make the urine a different color? The vet told me about 2 different things we can do to figure out which cat it is, but I don't remember what it is called. Being as I only have the 2 cats, it will be easy to give it to one cat and be able to eliminate the one that isn't peeing on the floor. I believe the vet said either the urine would glow (or something like that) for the cat that had the pill. I am pretty sure it is Tornado because when he was at the vet's for his surgery, there was pee in the litter box with only Phoebe here at home. That was weeks ago, so I realize the either ir both cats could be the issue now.

Coriona- I was never going to leave Tornado at a shelter; I could not have him living in those conditions! I am aware that it would be a special individual to take on a sick cat with litter box issues, that is why if we could not resolve these issue I thought of putting him to sleep. And by put to sleep, I meant at the vets office with me by his side, not gassed at a shelter! It is not something I want to do as I love the cats very much, but at the same time I can not live with urine and poop all over my house. Several courses of meds and surgery has not made Tornado better; he has lost weight and the vets have not found anything else wrong with him. Maybe something will show up in time, but his blood work, urinalysis, x-rays, and ultrasounds are all coming back good other than the blood in the urine 11 days ago.
post #47 of 48
The vet may have been talking about fluorescein. It'll make the urine show as blue (I think) under a UV light. Normal cat urine looks green under a UV light. There's a short blurb on this page, see the last paragraph in the center column.

http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer...s_housesoiling
post #48 of 48
Thread Starter 
Thanks beandip, that is what I was looking for. I had in my head something about being florescent , but wasn't sure I remembered correctly. I wanted to look it up and get more info about it before I called the vet tomorrow. I don't think I have gone a week in the last 2 months without going to the vet for one pet or another!! The dog just got back from boarding with her training and she is licking her butt which means she has full anal glands; she just had them expressed 11 days ago, which means the tech didn't fully empty them. I knew when the new tech told me only one gland was full there was a problem. Piper always has her gland expressed every 3-4 weeks and both glands are always full. I think this tech either didn't check as well as the others or something was amiss. So back we go tomorrow.
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