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post #31 of 58
i dunno whether this baby is bengal but he is adorable look at his face!
post #32 of 58
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I dont think i'll ever truely understand the extend of the word ACTIVE CAT unless I experience it. Are Bengals agressive? and do they chew up the furniture and destroy things? Like I said I have no problem with an active cat, but I wouldnt want it to lick all its fur off if I didnt dedicate all my time to it lol I suppose now that ive read all this it looks like a Bengal isnt the way to go, but I'm still reallyyyyy attracted to those exotic looks..hmmm
post #33 of 58
If you don't train a cat to use the scratching post, or learn to trim claws YES they can destroy things. And declawing is not the answer either. Declawed cats may stop using the litter pan and pee/poop elsewhere. Or they become fear biters or hide.

An active cat is one that plays and runs a lot. Is into what you are doing. Is not a cat that sits around all day or lays on the bed as a pretty decoration. They run, jump, climb. Nothing is safe - you might find them on the top of the fridge when you come home. They like high places.

You would need a good size scratching post with lots of shelves, tunnels, etc. build in.

If you compare breeds:

Low activity cats - persians, himalayans, British SH.

Medium activity cats - American SH, Maine Coons (tho some are active), Scottish folds, Selkirk rexes.

Active cats: Bengals, Abys, Siamese, Devon or Cornish Rexes, Oriental SH, and Ocicats are top of the list for the most active cats.

So my advice is to really study the breeds of cats, personalitys, activitiy level, grooming requirements and make up your mind what you can tolerate. In the end you might find a very nice kitten to fall in love with at your local shelter
post #34 of 58
First of all, I'm not a breeder, so I cannot contribute a lot to the discussion as to whether or not this is a real Bengal. However, I would guess not, under the circumstances.

However, you can definitely find Bengal rescues - I have two of them. Although the shelter I got them from listed them on Petfinders, I actually found them because she is a member of the Bengal Purebreed Rescue League. She is the "go to" person in the Seattle area when anyone has a Bengal to surrender. I the case of the two we got, apparently the original owner got them thinking that he could manage having them despite his allergies (some pople with mild allergies do well with them as they don't shed much), but it turned out he couldn't. So after spending over $1000 each on them, driving them to Seattle from LV and trying it for a few months, he gave them up. So we got the pair for $300. The shelter was not willing to give them to different homes; she required that they go together. Although they are not litter mates (they are related and about 6 weeks apart in age), they are best friends. We had decided that when it was time to get another cat, we would get two, so they could keep each other entertained, since our other cat is older and not a good playmate for a kitten.

And let me tell you - without each other, individually, they would go crazy. Or we would, trying to entertain them. We have long said that our other cat was a good "starter cat" and that the one who recently died of old age was a more "advanced" cat. Well, these two are way more "advanced" than she ever was! Definitely not cats for a feline neophite! But part of the reason that I wanted a Bengal was because of their active, crazy nature. And because they originally came from a very good breeder, they are well socialized, and love anyone who comes to our house. That's a nice bonus since many of our friends have never even met our other cat, who is much more timid.

Anyway, good luck with your search for teh perfect kitty!

Kristi
post #35 of 58
GoldenKitty pretty much explained it. It's not aggression at all, more a need for stimulation.

An active cat is a cat that needs to run, play, climb and be involved in most of the things that are going on. Jump on top of counters, doors, the fridge, bookshelves etc. If they don't get an outlet for their energy through "constructive" means, i.e something you control like when you play with them they'll find it through other ways. Attacking feet when they walk past, mad running around at night that'll keep you up, bored meowing and complaining. When they're very intelligent on top of that they'll figure out how to manipulate you. I.e they're not tired and want to play while you're watching tv so they'll sit on a table and start pushing things off one by one just to get a reaction and attention.

The only thing that "solves" that sort of behaviour is just to play with the cat and let them have the outlet they need for their energy. Also make sure your living space is suited to the cat with lots of things to explore and hide in and watch. It's not their fault they're such an active cat that needs lots of stimulation. It is easier if you have two because then they'll be able to play with each other and you're not the only way for them to get an outlet.

Just read my post through again, it sounds as if Nikita is a terror to live with but she's not as long as she gets her play time. It's just been occasionally when I've had something special come up and not been able to play enough with her and she's made me pay every single time whenever that has happened. I know that's completely my fault though so I don't get upset and just try harder at making sure she gets the stimulation she needs.
post #36 of 58
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Well, id feel very bad if I got a Bengal and it wasent like I expected and I wasent able to pay attention to it as much as it needs....perhaps what im looking for is a Bengal MIX? Like I said im attracted to the look, but maybe a little less the personality...im not 100% sure yet, Ive got time to think on it though.
post #37 of 58
I don't post often in this section. But I just wanted to make a slight suggestion. I know you said you want a Bengal and I can understand that. But is it mainly the look of a wild type cat that you are looking for or is it the whole package? Because if it is really just a look then look around at different breeds that may be tamer in some regards but still has a wild look. Because even within a breed or even a mix individual looks can vary to a degree from wild in looks to domestic in looks.
post #38 of 58
When you are ready to get a cat maybe one way to find out if a Bengal is right for you would be to visit a reputable cattery and see for yourself what Bengals are like. Unfortunately because of the popularity of the breed now there are a lot of backyard breeders popping up. Just from the websites one way to tell if they are reputable is if they show their cats. Not all breeders have the time or money to go to a lot of shows but most reputable breeders do take cats to at least a few shows every year. Backyard breeders rarely if ever show their cats.
post #39 of 58
Maybe I'm a bit partial but if you're looking for a cat with a wild look and a calmer personality, maybe you should look at the Egyptian Mau? They're still active, intelligent cats, but nothing like what you would see in a Bengal.

I got my own Mau from this cattery in Virginia. Emau has had a lot of regional and national winners, her cats are just amazing.
http://www.emaucats.com/

And here is my Bailey boy:
http://umd.facebook.com/album.php?ai...3df&id=5724290

I got him for a little over $800, but it took me three years to finally bring him home! I started searching early, like you, and found the perfect cattery for what I wanted. Since there is often a waiting list for Maus, I put down a $100deposite to hold my boy. I was abroad for a while, so I had to keep delaying and delaying, but when I did bring Bailey home, he was exactly what I wanted.

I've seen some of the Maus from this cattery located in Florida and have always been impressed.
http://www.maullenium.com/home.htm
post #40 of 58
Could you get a mau? No idea of activity levels but they have a wild look...
I have a probable Bengal mix which is what you seem to be edging towards. Today, she spent about 3 hours wandering round my feet begging me to play with her.
She has an ugly miaow when she's bored and needy. We've been playing fetch throughout this time, and sometimes I grab a feather stick and run up and down the house for her and her brother to chase. He's an aby mix (same dad, different mum), and is less needy, but will go for your hands when he's bored.
I also set her little challenges- I'll hide a tape measure on something really tall, or a shelf I know she can't reach and she has to work out how to get to it.
She's really smart, if I hide something in front of her, then cover it so she has to remove something to get to it, she still knows its there. Also, if I put something on a high shelf, she can jump on the shelf below and work out where it must be, and reach up with a paw to get it, even though she can't see it anymore.
We have to shut them out of the bedrooms at night as they just don't settle, and are often active from 8-12 at night, minimum.
Its gotten to the point that I'm planning to build a kind of cat gym that we could set up while we're not around, that would attach to walls/ceilings etc and be movable for variety to give them a chance to get some proper exercise.
I adore bengals, but even I'm not sure I could cope with 2 purebreds.
Basically they're nuts, and they've gotten More nuts since we got them and they're about a year old now.
post #41 of 58
Ro,

Keep in mind that you are basing your decision on LOOKS - not the entire cat. A Bengal MIX can be as active as the real thing. Why not attend a local cat show and get to know the breeds/breeders and ask lots of questions.

In another thread (of yours) someone stated about you being young. You will want to go out a lot on dates, have fun, stay out late. Think of a kitten as a human baby. You have one now, you will limit most of your time and start to resent the kitten. You have to raise a child for 20 yrs - same for a kitten.

I'd put off having ANY cat for at least 5 yrs till you have a steady job, place to live and go have some fun without too much responsibility. Like most young men/women you will change your mind 100 times over the next 5 yrs in EVERYTHING
post #42 of 58
I live with my parents as I'm still doing my A-levels (i feel so young ) and it takes all 3 of us to keep them occupied, my dad in the mornings, me in the afternoon (i'm on study leave) and my mum when she gets home from work.
Activity level in a mix breed is a complete wild card- you have No idea until you get them home and they settle in with you. Archie (in my sig) hid from us when we went to get him for the first time, and hid under the sofa for hours when we got him home. He now alternates between being a purring lapcat, and a wild cat who picks fights with his sister to pass the time (and loses usually).
post #43 of 58
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lmao why is everyone telling me "your going to go out partying and dating and staying out late"...did I ever say that? lol..one, I dont party, 2 Im engaged, and 3, im not going to college, LOL Thats irrelevant to the point. Anyways! yes Egyptian Maus are really cute, im not that attracted to the colors though (if I had to chose it would be smoke, from what website you linked from Florida) If it had to look wild id want it to be a brownish color preferably.....and 800$ you paid? whew....I'd might at well get a Bengal if you paid THAT much lol.
Plus, im kinda turned off by what you CANT do with the cats....it says you have to sign a paper stating that I wont declaw it or let it outdoors..what if I want it to be outdoors but supervised by me? I dont want it cooped up in the house all day.
post #44 of 58
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lmao why is everyone telling me "your going to go out partying and dating and staying out late"...did I ever say that? lol..one, I dont party, 2 Im engaged, and 3, im not going to college, LOL Thats irrelevant to the point. Anyways! yes Egyptian Maus are really cute, im not that attracted to the colors though (if I had to chose it would be smoke, from what website you linked from Florida) If it had to look wild id want it to be a brownish color preferably.....and 800$ you paid? whew....I'd might at well get a Bengal if you paid THAT much lol.
Most pet quality purebreeds with the looks you want will be
500-1000$ ... unless you find a rescue with a momma cat
post #45 of 58
Thread Starter 
Ohhhh well, hmmm. I'm sure I can find it for cheaper, like I said on that petfinder site there was that one Bengal look alike for only 100$, whew.

Btw...whats so bad about having a kitten? Everyones telling me its better to get an old cat. I said that I dont want to miss out on the experience of watching it grow and everyone laughs at me LOL I mean I know kittys can be annoying, I once lived in a house with like 10 kittens at once.....but thats like having a baby and then fast fowarding until its a teenager, you miss out on everything. Im very strong about getting a kitten for alot of reasons. Id feel weird getting handed over an old cat and being like "ehhh, thanks for raising my cat", I wouldnt feel like its auctually mine if I didnt raise it from a kitten.
post #46 of 58
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Plus, im kinda turned off by what you CANT do with the cats....it says you have to sign a paper stating that I wont declaw it or let it outdoors..what if I want it to be outdoors but supervised by me? I dont want it cooped up in the house all day.
Most breeders won't allow you to declaw your cat. Everyone that buys a cat from me has to sign a contract stating they won't declaw, or let their cat outside unsupervised.

If you want a declawed cat, go get one from a shelter that is already de-clawed, by a previous owner that didn't know any better. Taking a cats claws is extremely in-humane.
post #47 of 58
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Originally Posted by Roimata View Post
Ohhhh well, hmmm. I'm sure I can find it for cheaper, like I said on that petfinder site there was that one Bengal look alike for only 100$, whew.

Btw...whats so bad about having a kitten? Everyones telling me its better to get an old cat. I said that I dont want to miss out on the experience of watching it grow and everyone laughs at me LOL I mean I know kittys can be annoying, I once lived in a house with like 10 kittens at once.....but thats like having a baby and then fast fowarding until its a teenager, you miss out on everything. Im very strong about getting a kitten for alot of reasons. Id feel weird getting handed over an old cat and being like "ehhh, thanks for raising my cat", I wouldnt feel like its auctually mine if I didnt raise it from a kitten.
Cheaper yes you can but it will be a "mix" which is fine I have a bengal mix and love her to death....

I prefer then teens to baby but that is me
post #48 of 58
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I agree, declawing a cat is inhumane. But I cant lie, in my house we have 2 cats and they are declawed, thats because when we got them my brother and sister were babys and we didnt want the cats to hurt them, and also they would tear everything in the house up and when they would jump on us or play with us their claws would hurt like a bitch...my parents though it was for the best but I know thats wrong, I would of rathered they trim them, their indoor cats though, they only go outside rarely.
post #49 of 58
Ro, I really don't believe you've actually digested what we were saying about the breed. As good breeders we want the cat to fit the family it goes to. If we feel that its not a good fit, then you won't get one from us. Sure you can find what you are looking for in your price range.

But be forwarned about all we've said. It would be horrible if you disregarded our concerns and decided that after a year or 2 or 3 that the Bengal (or Bengal mix) was NOT the right cat you thought it would be.

We've been around a lot longer then you've been born - learn from OUR experiences and stop being so hard headed
post #50 of 58
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Huh? ive already said that perhaps a bengal isnt right for me, but im still attracted to the look. Ive had tons of pets in my life, it doesnt matter if im 18...so dont think I havent had experience with pets. Theres not 1 time in my life where I wasent surrounded by a cat. Even when I was young I was helping my parents raise a huge litter of kittens, I got to keep one (my cat Sweetpea).
post #51 of 58
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Originally Posted by white cat lover View Post
Despite this being a breeder forum, yes, most places on Petfinder(I hesitate to say all because I do not know all) are legit.
True, that.
post #52 of 58
Then Ro, take your time - spend a few years of attending a cat show or two, talking to breeders and doing more research about the breed before you commit to a cat for 20 yrs.

You act like you are bound and determined to get a "cheap" Bengal and really don't care about the personality/requirements in dealing with them. You give the impression that you think its a cute kitten that won't require a lot of work.

We want you to find the right kitten for you - whether or not it's a Bengal. Just don't go by looks - its more then that!
post #53 of 58
Ro, I am putting on my shelter adoption hat right now.

I've helped countless people select the right cat for them. You must consider all aspects. What goes into training a kitten? Do I have time ro properly socialize one? Yes, it can be great to watch a kitten grow up. It can also be great to watch a timid cat blossom in a steady environment. An abused cat get to know love. A semi-feral learn humans are good. You will have this kitten until you are 38, give or take a few years. Do you plan on a family? You might also want to consider when you would like a family vs. the age of kitten(trust me, many many many people cannot make kitten + baby work).

Honestly, I would not necessarily say you want a kitten....like 14 weeks or younger. I would look for a cat with a specific purr-sonality. Perhaps....maybe.....around a year of age. I know you've said you really want a kitten, but man.....so many people do not realize the work. I am 20. I live at home with my parents & will continue to do so for MUCH longer than I planned as I cannot afford to move out with my kitties & take proper care of them. That is a scarafice I made to save them.

Remember, with kittens, you get kittenhood, then you get the teenage months(from about 6 months to 18 months). You will essentially have a holy terror!

I guess, IMO, you should also consider looking at young adult cats who need someone to help them learn to "live again". I believe, from what you've said, that you could really make a huge difference in an adult cats life.

Sorry, I got so into "adopt a cat mode" in the breeders forum. I just wanted to post this. Perhaps, if you have rescue questions, you can post them in the S.O.S. forum?

I just want you to consider all aspects. Put all the knowledge I have learned out on the table. I do not want to discourage you from getting a cat from a breeder or from getting a kitten. I just want you to think carefully. I deeply regret keeping my Lily as a kitten. She was not a good fit for our family, & was difficult to raise.
post #54 of 58
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lol whys everyone still talking about me getting a bengal? ive clearly stated many times that I probley dont know what im getting myself in to.....but I would like a cat with the same type of wild look. And also.....raising a kitten isnt rocket science just to let you know, like I said ive had alot of experience with kittens my whole life.
post #55 of 58
I think everyone's just cautioning you against going for a cat based primarily on looks and without fully considering the temperament. Bengals and similar looking cats are striking to look at and attract a lot of people who haven't fully considered what its' like to live with a bengal, bengal cross or similar. A lot are turning up in rescues over here for those reasons when people decide they can't cope.

I don't know the situation where you are, but over here there are lots of back yard breeders selling bengals, bengal mixes and bengal lookalikes so you need to be very careful you don't become a victim of someone like that. Getting a cat or kitten from a reputable shelter that may look a bit like a bengal is fine, but over here I would definitely not buy a cat from a free ad that was advertised as bengal or bengal mix as they are very likely to be from a back yard breeder.

As to the kitten thing - kittens can be seriously hard work, especially with an active breed. I have a 17 month old and it's been an exhausting year since I got him. It's like having a baby around (in fact a work colleague had a baby in february and she definitely gets more sleep than I get!) and I have to spend several hours each day occupying him. Most people your age would find that gets in the way of life and there's nothing wrong with that. Many people your age aren't too settled accommodation wise either which can be unsettling for a cat. l I'm not saying this all necessarily applies to you, just that you should be aware that the commitment (and cost) is not so very different to having a child and be absolutely sure that you're ready for that at this stage in your life. Taking sole responsibility for a cat is very different to having family pets.

If you think you're ready for a cat then by all means go for it.
post #56 of 58
If you keep looking at what is at youe local rescues and shelters, I am sure you will find the look and personality you are searching for. There are a lot of regular DSH cats with very striking wild markings out there. I found my Ferris at a local PetSmart that was working with a rescue organization. His markings caught my eye, but his sweet personality brought him home.

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You never can tell how a DSH's appearance will turn out, so Ferris looks pretty different today as compared to when he was a kitten. But I love his personality so much that I don't care what he looks like!


post #57 of 58
Good point on the changes in color/type of a kitten to the adult. Many kittens start out looking like one thing and ending up as another (in color/type).

Take Ling, for example. If you adopted her at 2 1/2 months old you would have had a very unusual striking cat - a blue/seal point with a blue tabby body (kinda impossible combination). And if you bought her on looks alone, now you would have been totally disappointed. That pointed kitten is now a black/white bicolor! She also was (as a kitten) more oriental in body type - now a more solid American SH type. Totally different in color/body type from just a few months old.

Ro,

I too was raised with all kinds of animals as a child/teen - dogs, cats, rabbits, turtles, fish, birds, hamsters, lizards, and a horse. BUT looking back - none of the kittens lasted long at our house for various reasons. The adult stray we adopted was really my "first" cat as we had him for many many years till he died of cancer. Kittens are far more work then an older cat.

You may have raised them growing up - that's a good thing; but now you are going into a young adult, engaged, and will be making many lifestyle changes. I'm sure in the next few years you might have one or more babies to take care of. Kittens are cute, but adult cats are a little better to cope with a baby/young child.

We wish you the best, just PLEASE take your time and put more thought and get your life a little more settled before you bring in a cat. BTW what if your fiance' would rather have a dog then a cat???? Or is he a cat lover too
post #58 of 58
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Btw...whats so bad about having a kitten? Everyones telling me its better to get an old cat. I said that I dont want to miss out on the experience of watching it grow and everyone laughs at me LOL I mean I know kittys can be annoying, I once lived in a house with like 10 kittens at once.....but thats like having a baby and then fast fowarding until its a teenager, you miss out on everything. Im very strong about getting a kitten for alot of reasons. Id feel weird getting handed over an old cat and being like "ehhh, thanks for raising my cat", I wouldnt feel like its auctually mine if I didnt raise it from a kitten.
We're suggesting an older cat from our past experiences. I've known several friends who got kittens in college and grad school. Most of those kittens are now living with someone else. The people who adopted adult cats kept theirs. This isn't entirely because of the amount of work of a kitten though.

The thing is, with a kitten, you have no idea what their personality is going to be. Even though you are raising the cat, a lot of their personality is still influenced by nature, and it's hard to tell what the cat will be like as an adult. With an adult cat, you get a very clear picture.

I really suggest going to a shelter that will personally place you with a cat. It sounds like this is how White Cat Lovers shelter works. I got Bunny from a similar local shelter. The foster meowmy was wonderful. We explained our living situation, now and for the next 20 years. She had 25 cats available, and with her help, we narrowed it down to 3 over email. When we came to visit, we met all 3, talked with her some more, and she helped us pick Bunny. We couldn't be happier. Bunny adjusted perfectly into our home. We had a lot of requirements since Puppy (our other cat) has an anxiety problem. Bunny has been great with him, she'll be fine with dogs (we'll get one in 5 years), and she's good with kids (about 7 years down the road).

BTW, many shelters have requirements, too. I had to sign saying that she would never be declawed, would live indoors, receive annual shots, and if she can not live with me, she has to go back to the same shelter. We had to also fill out a form explaining pretty much everything about our past history with animals, our current situation, and our future situation. They do turn people down. While we were there, she was receiving many applications for a oriental type torti-point kitten. Sadly, it looks like those people were only interested in the kittens looks because none of the other people adopted another cat from her. Also, the kitten was crazy; she wouldn't let me pet her. Looks definitely aren't everything....

Good luck, and thanks for doing some research before going out and getting a cat. You'll definitely be happier with your choice, whatever it is.
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