Took my new kitty Ellie to get spayed and she was pregnant!

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Originally Posted by Leli

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with the termination, just with the fact that a vet would go ahead with the procedure without informing the owner that there has been a change. I expect my vet to inform me of ANYTHING that is different than we had discussed, even though 9 times out of 10 I just give the go-ahead anyway. Of course, I usually have a cell number that I can be reached at at all times, which makes it easier. Also, I would really hope that the vet did a presurgery exam.
yes, i did have my cell phone with me at school, but i didn't have it with me at all times. i guess i was just stupid and didn't think there would be any problems...they told me she would be in surgery around noon and to call around 2:00. so i did.


and, to defend the vets a bit, she did inform me of the changes...it was just in my voicemail.
 

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Originally Posted by berries781

and, to defend the vets a bit, she did inform me of the changes...it was just in my voicemail.
still, there was no way for her to know how you would want to proceed without speaking directly to you. there are many people who would spay to prevent unwanted kittens but be very uncomfortable with the idea of aborting. i'd definitely try to fight the charge, but i think you'll be unsuccessful. i think they should have postponed the surgeries altogether until they had spoken to you.just brought her back out of the anesthesia, or whatever, assuming that's possible.
 

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Originally Posted by berries781

yeah, she's pretty little so i'm guessing just a small litter. but actually i don't want to think about that now because actually thinking about the kittens makes me sad!

and you're right, there are too many kitties out there already. and that's why we wanted to spay. i just didn't realize i'd be taking kitties that were already in there!
Don't beat yourself up about it. Just be thankful for a successful spay. What I wouldn't give to be able to spay Addie. We tried and she almost died....her blood pressure and heartrate dropped to almost unreadable. They were able to revive her (it took HOURS before she was awake at all), but they say they can't try again until she gains some significant weight. Unfortunately, she doesn't like to eat, so we're having to give daily pills to stimulate her appetite. I hate having to shove them down her throat every day. Cruel as it seems, I would have rather had to terminate a litter than put Addie through all this. Plus, I don't know that she won't have another reaction when we try again, so I'm worried that we won't have her for long and I'm making her short life miserable by tormenting her with the darn pills. Geez, it's just no-win.

Okay, I'm such a thread hijacker and I just totally made this all about me
Please disregard my moaning and complaining
 
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Originally Posted by Leli

Don't beat yourself up about it. Just be thankful for a successful spay. What I wouldn't give to be able to spay Addie. We tried and she almost died....her blood pressure and heartrate dropped to almost unreadable. They were able to revive her (it took HOURS before she was awake at all), but they say they can't try again until she gains some significant weight. Unfortunately, she doesn't like to eat, so we're having to give daily pills to stimulate her appetite. I hate having to shove them down her throat every day. Cruel as it seems, I would have rather had to terminate a litter than put Addie through all this. Plus, I don't know that she won't have another reaction when we try again, so I'm worried that we won't have her for long and I'm making her short life miserable by tormenting her with the darn pills. Geez, it's just no-win.

Okay, I'm such a thread hijacker and I just totally made this all about me
Please disregard my moaning and complaining
no need to disregard.
to you and your kitty addie.
 

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Honey, don't beat yourself up about the spay/abort. I volunteer at the local Humane Society. Capacity of cats is 35. There are 30 kittesn at our facility, 8 adults at our facilty. And then there are over 30 kittens in foster care not yet ready for adoption....plus the mommas nursing many of those.

Realisitcally, there simply are not enough homes out there. Those kittens were saved from an ugly ugly world.

As for the vet, the one here, if they cannot contact you, automatically does a spay/abort because of the possible effects of the anesthesia on the babies. Not to mention the stress can often cause the cat to abort if she is not spayed.

As for declawing, we are all rather anti-declaw & tend to forget how you cannot reaxd our faces & tones via the internet. Many posts can be read many different ways. We do not mean to scare anyone away, it just happens that way sometimes. We are a bit nutty about kitties!
 
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Originally Posted by white cat lover

As for the vet, the one here, if they cannot contact you, automatically does a spay/abort because of the possible effects of the anesthesia on the babies. Not to mention the stress can often cause the cat to abort if she is not spayed.

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its good to hear this. i wasn't clear about this and was going to ask the vet this tomorrow.
 

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It's horrible to realise you've killed a bunch of kittens!! I trapped a feral who got spayed and I found out when I picked her up that she was only a week or so anyway from having 6 kittens but they aborted them
I felt SOOOO bad for her, and so bad for the kittens. I know I did her a favour, she's much healthier not having had them, and it's better for the kittens not being born into the feral life and blah blah but gee I just felt like a cat killer!

And please don't get too upset about the declawing comments. When you've worked at a shelter, and seen so many declawed cats dumped because they've gotten bitey because they can't use their claws, or returned because they started spraying after being declawed, or completely changed personalities because they're in pain, or had botched surgeries and have had major problems because of it. It's hard to stay neutral when you see so many problems with declawed cats. I come from Australia where declawing is illegal and unheard of, so I researched it when we got here since people spoke about it, and I was amazed they actually do amputate what is essentially the first joint of their fingers, and that so many vets offer and recommend it! It completely blew me away...

But anyway, people here truly are warm and friendly, and a lot of people declaw their cat because they don't realise the consequences, and that there is alternatives, and a lot of people who do it swear they'll never do it again because their cat ws so traumatised. So a lot of people here get very upset when they hear someone is declawing their cat - especially when a vet recommends it like it's just trimming their nails!

I do hope you stick around, and ask for advice on whatever you need to, and get to know everyone. I definitely wouldn't mention declawing again though if you can help it - it really does upset a lot of people, and people say things that come across a lot more harsh than they probably mean to


So don't beat yourself up about the kittens, she's much better off not having them!
 

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I think the vet was wrong for going ahead with it without your permission - I couldn't be contacted when one of mine had anaesthetic for an x-ray, so they brought her round until they could contact me and get permission to actually operate on what they had found on the x-ray. Spay/abort is such a personal thing though, in one way it is good that the decision has been taken off your hands, but in another way, you have to live with it. Personally, I would have done it, there are way too many kitties in the world already - my latest foster went in to be spayed asap as we thought she had been caught, so the idea was to do it so early that if she had, the vet couldn't not do the op (she had already had one litter by 10 months old though)
 

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As for the vet, the one here, if they cannot contact you, automatically does a spay/abort because of the possible effects of the anesthesia on the babies.
That was my first thought. I think your vet did the only thing he could. I also think maybe he didn't need to tell you about it after the fact. I mean, I understand the vet wanting to get your ok before-hand but really, there doesn't seem to be a choice. I know you have the right to know everything that occurs with your pet, but something like this is so upsetting--maybe he just shouldn't have said anything at all.

And I'm not going to give you a hard time for having her declawed. While I've never had that operation performed on any of mine, obviously she's your cat and it's your decision.

At least the little lady has a new home and someone to love her, and isn't that all that matters anyway?
 

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Originally Posted by berries781

yeah, she's pretty little so i'm guessing just a small litter. but actually i don't want to think about that now because actually thinking about the kittens makes me sad!

and you're right, there are too many kitties out there already. and that's why we wanted to spay. i just didn't realize i'd be taking kitties that were already in there!
Originally Posted by berries781

yes, i did have my cell phone with me at school, but i didn't have it with me at all times. i guess i was just stupid and didn't think there would be any problems...they told me she would be in surgery around noon and to call around 2:00. so i did.


and, to defend the vets a bit, she did inform me of the changes...it was just in my voicemail.
I would be sad as well. But don't beat yourself up about it.... they tried to get ahold of you and you weren't able to answer.... there is not much they could've done differently after the fact anyway.... I hope your sweet baby recovers from her operations.
 

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I'm very sorry to hear about that, and it probably won't help, but it was probably the best thing to do for the kittens, since reading this thread it seems like anaesthesia most likely damaged them. It's not your fault. I've never dealt with a pregnant cat myself, so I have no idea how easy or hard it is to tell, but don't think badly of or second guess yourself.

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I feel that there were some pretty rude posts. We don't want to scare away any new members. There are members on TCS that have declawed their cats, just the majority of people don't believe in it. In the past (before I knew better) I had my cats all declawed. You going to scream at me too? Maybe this person has a really good explanation for doing this? You don't know!

If anyone would like to talk more about declawing/not declawing their cats; feel free to PM me. I won't bite I promise


Anyway, back on topic. I think I would have been pretty upset with that vet for going ahead without my permission. I do NOT believe in having the babies terminated UNLESS their is a medical problem that it MUST be done.
 
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well, ellie is back home! she seems to be doing just fine. she's laying out side our office right now, just chillin
and right now she doesn't seem to be in any pain, but she is on pain meds.

and i feel much better after talking to the vet when i picked her up. he said if they had reached me yesterday, they would have reccommended the spay anyway. so that's probably what we would have done. he said yes, the kittens could have and probably were affected by the anesthesia so it was best just to spay.

so i'm so glad she's home and now i have to be sure to give her lots of hugs and kisses!

 

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oh shes pretty. Give her some extra hugs from me too.
 

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She is lovely
I hope she recovers from surgery quickly and I hope you continue to visit TCS and ask questions and get informed on anything that comes up with her! This community is really very helpful, just sometimes very opinionated when it comes to issues about cats especially. Please don't let that discourage you.

TCS is very informative and I think I speak for everyone when I say we'd all love to see pictures of her from time to time! She is beautiful
 

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Wow what a pretty face!!!!! I hope she recovers fast and stays happy and healthy!
 

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Originally Posted by mybabyphx

I feel that there were some pretty rude posts. We don't want to scare away any new members. There are members on TCS that have declawed their cats, just the majority of people don't believe in it. In the past (before I knew better) I had my cats all declawed. You going to scream at me too? Maybe this person has a really good explanation for doing this? You don't know!

If anyone would like to talk more about declawing/not declawing their cats; feel free to PM me. I won't bite I promise


Anyway, back on topic. I think I would have been pretty upset with that vet for going ahead without my permission. I do NOT believe in having the babies terminated UNLESS their is a medical problem that it MUST be done.
Nobody `screamed at' anyone. Amputation is actually a perfectly medically correct description of a declaw because that is exactly what happens. It's not removing the claws, it's removing the bone - the same as if you had all of your first finger joints removed. The medical and psychological implications are many and complicated, and it is on the list of punishable offences of felony animal cruelty by the RSPCA in this country.

As this board is primarily about animal welfare, and as declawing is an issue of welfare (which is why it is illegal in just about every country except the US) and as this board is about promoting welfare, declawing is a hot topic and people can get very angry about it.

That has not happened here at all. Despite the views I know that every single poster holds about this, everyone has stayed quiet and calm and polite - which is part of the reason this is such a lovely board. If our aim is to educate, occasionally people are not going to like what we have to say. To the OP's credit, she did not leave the board after that one comment, and hopefully she will stay and continue to explore the wonderful world of cats with us, and learn more about this procedure and many other welfare issues. I hope this is the case - everyone here welcomes all cat lovers with open arms, and many who don't know much about declawing or other welfare issues stick around and learn and realise that we are never against anybody here, but only ever thinking in terms of what is best for cats.

As for the abortion/spay - I think it is disgraceful that the vet would go ahead without permission and then have the cheek to charge extra for it. Despite all the missed calls and messages, if you can't contact someone, you don't go ahead. This happened to my Auntie - she went into hospital for routine abdominal surgery and the doctor gave her a hysterectomy without asking anyone's permission - her husband was right outside! They sued and won. She wanted more kids and was never able to have them - and worst of all, it was determined afterwards that the hysterectomy was unnecessary anyway.

Why should it be any different with our cats? They cannot speak for themselves so it is up to us to speak for them. The vet had no right whatsoever to do this procedure and I feel that the OP is within her rights to refuse to pay for any of it at all.
 

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Your Ellie is beautiful! I'm glad she's home and doing well.
It sounds as if the vet put your mind at ease about the anesthesia affecting the kittens. It's too bad they couldn't tell she was pregnant before hand, but it does seem as if he made the right call. I do think it was a bit out of line to charge extra for it, tho.
As long as you're happy and Ellie's happy--I'm happy, too.
 
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Originally Posted by libby74

Your Ellie is beautiful! I'm glad she's home and doing well.
It sounds as if the vet put your mind at ease about the anesthesia affecting the kittens. It's too bad they couldn't tell she was pregnant before hand, but it does seem as if he made the right call. I do think it was a bit out of line to charge extra for it, tho.
As long as you're happy and Ellie's happy--I'm happy, too.
yes, i do too, but i actually paid for it. by the time i got there, i just didn't feel like yelling about it anymore. i have had an extremely tough week at work to top all of this off, so by yesterday evening, i just wanted to be done with the stress and take her home.
 
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