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post #1 of 18
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I was hoping someone might be able to help me. Right now, Zorro's on a completely dry food diet. He eats Medi-Cal hypoallergenic/Gastro food. The vet wants him to stay on a dry food diet because of his mouth problems. He has parrot mouth very badly. He only has 1 canine, and a few molars (not no mention a milk tooth) The other ones just never came in. He's already had to have surgery when he was a little over year old(that was only 4 months ago) to remove a bunch of impacted baby teeth, and a few rotten ones.
The vet said he has periodontal disease. His gums are always inflamed, his breath is always rotten, and the vet said his teeth are all eventually going to need to be pulled because they're just going to rot out of his head. He's in need of another dental cleaning and tooth pull and he just had one four months ago.
His vet wants him on dry food since he doesn't chew his food(doesn't really have the teeth to, lol) so he said it will keep his teeth cleaner.
I know that a wet food diet(or even some wet in the diet) is healthy for them since its closer to what they eat in the wild, it has more moisture content, and has less carbohydrates, fillers, and less sugar.
Because of my cats mouth problems, would it be safer to stick with the dry, or will the wet food actually make his mouth worse(the vet said it might). I need to get a little more weight off him because of his back disease(he's put on weight since he was diagnosed since he's not moving around much anymore) I've heard that wet food is better for weight loss??
I know the dissolution was recalled. Would it still be safe to use the canned food, or should I switch to a different brand? We have Felidae around here. Where any of there food recalled??

Sorry for the long post, but I have one more question. My new cat, Diva, is currently getting Nutrience kitten dry food (free feed), and half a can of Medi-Cal Development formula. Once her kittens are weaned and gone, I'd like to get her on a completely wet food diet. (Its easier to give them seperate feedings with wet food, lol)
What are everyone's views on Nutrience, Medi-Cal, and Felidae foods?
I don't know much about cat foods.
post #2 of 18
I hate to disagree with a vet, but I don't think dry food is better for their teeth. No cat actually chews its food. They don't operate that way. Wet food is better for overal health.

We feed Wellness, Natural Balance and PetGuard. Felidae is very good,too. I think your cats will do well on wet food.

We have a cat who has terrible teeth, too. Arthur just had 3 extractions about a month ago. He already needs another dental. Our year-old Paisley needed to have her teeth cleaned when she was 4 months old. Most dental problems are hereditary from what I understand.
post #3 of 18
wet food would be better for you baby IMHO... I dont know Medi cal ingrediants to tell you what I think
post #4 of 18
I agree on the wet food - it would be better for Zorro. The dry, IMO is of no benefit to teeth, or anything really. My Leopold has had dental issues since he was very young. Dry food was never any help for him.

EDIT
I don't have experience with Nutrience or Medi Cal. My cats will eat the Felidae, and I think it's good food but it's not their favorite. Their favorite wet food is Wellness.
post #5 of 18
Another vote for wet food. Based on what I have read dry food does nothing to prevent dental problems. The food shatters in the cat's mouth doing nothing to clean the teeth.

My cats love Wellness and Natural Balance canned food. I also like those brands because they are available in grain and fish free flavors. That is helpful to my cats with blood glucose and urinary crystal issues.
post #6 of 18
At me to the list that wet would be better. Especially seeing hows your cat is not even able to really crunch the food so I can not see myself how dry would help his teeth. Maybe buying something to help brush what teeth he does have and to help massage the gums would be better IMO.

This is the closest I could find online about the ingredients in Medi-Cal:
http://www.medi-cal.ca/consumers/Fel...roPage2_EN.asp
post #7 of 18
Thread Starter 
I have half a bag left of his food now, so I guess when thats about 3/4 empty, I'll start giving him wet food in the morning and dry food at night for a bit, then try switching him onto completely wet. I guess I'll just have to wait and see if its any better on his teeth or not. They need to be cleaned again anyways, lol.
Do they sell Wellness in Canada? I know there's only one store where I live that carries Felidae, but I'm not sure if they carry Wellness or not.
post #8 of 18
You can search on the Wellness site for locations in canada

http://www.geoserve.com/scripts/esri...Well&Ds=&Cn=CA

Keep in mind that Wellness contains garlic, which can be harmful to cats. If you do a google search on garlic for cats, you'll find a ton of articles, pro and con, so you can make up your own mind. I personally don't feed my cats anything containing garlic. Wellness is removing the garlic, but I don't know how long it will be before the new formula is on the shelves. Their newest flavor (beef & salmon, I believe) is garlic free, but I haven't been able to find it in the store yet.

Good luck. The whole food issue is not an easy thing to figure out.
post #9 of 18
Thread Starter 
There is a specialty store around here that sells god quality pet foods. I was looking on there website, and they listed a few brands of cat food. I'm not familiar with them, and I was wondering if any of them are included in the recall in any way.
-Home Made 4 Life
-Felidae
-Natural Balance
-Nature's Variety
-Wellness
-Merrick
post #10 of 18
Natural Balance had their Ocean Fish canned and Venison and Green Pea dry recalled because the manufacturer (American Nutrition) was putting rice concentrate into the food (unknown to the manufacturer). According to Natural Balance, none of their food has tested positive, and all the other flavors are okay. You can find a list of the ones not recalled on their web site. http://www.naturalbalanceinc.com/products.html

Wellness is made at a Menu plant, but not involved in the recalls.

Merrick is made in their own plant, and not involved in any recalls.

Felidae isn't involved in any recalls.

Not sure about the other two.
post #11 of 18
Thread Starter 
Thank you very much for that info.
I'm down to Felidae, Merrick, and Nature's Variety to chose from.
Home Made 4 Life sounded awsome, until I looked up what garlic can do to cats, so that ones a no no too.
post #12 of 18
Vets get commissions on selling Medi-Cal

As far as his teeth problems, as others have stated, cats rarely chew food and with dental problems, and few teeth, it may be even harder for Zorro to eat a dry food. So a wet may be best as he could lick it up even after he loses all his teeth.

Personally, some of mine have problems with wet so I can't give much advice but as far as Nutrience, I tend not to even look at foods that have pure bred and domestic formulas... and their website only has information on the dry so I can't check the ingredients.

The only Home Made 4 Life foods I have seen have been 'ready-packed' raw / BARF not canned.

Merricks is one of the foods I have had luck with (2 out of 4) the 2nd one only likes Turducken flavour and the other one will eat anything so don't go by his recommendations!

The one I had the most luck with, and my finicky cat will eat (most of the time without throwing it back up too ) is Active Life
post #13 of 18
I always believed that it was onion that was bad for cats, not garlic. In fact when we had a cat that wasn't eating, the vet suggested sprinkling a tiny bit of garlic powder on the food. It worked miracles.

You can get any of the wet food mentioned at petfooddirect on line. If you do a search for coupons, you can find one that offsets the shipping charges. I get Merrick, Wellness and Natural Balance on line from them. I get the PetGuard locally at a health food store.

Good luck.
post #14 of 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcat View Post
I always believed that it was onion that was bad for cats, not garlic. In fact when we had a cat that wasn't eating, the vet suggested sprinkling a tiny bit of garlic powder on the food. It worked miracles.
Quote:
"Although toxic side effects from consumption of garlic are rare in animals and humans alike, the possibility of harming your dog,
cat, or herbivore with garlic does exist, and there is growing controversy about how much garlic is enough and how much is too
much. ---------- When misused (used excessively or over an extended period), garlic may cause Heinz-body anemia, a potentially
life-threatening blood disease." FROM: All You ever Wanted to Know about Herbs for Pets
I have also seen information saying that garlic can help entice cats to food (they like strong smells) but that it shouldn't be fed on a regular basis and the side effects of garlic on cats are rare but do tend to be fatal
post #15 of 18
Thread Starter 
I think I might go with the Felidae and Merrick then, and maybe give them some Home Made 4 Life every once in a while because of the garlic. I've always wanted to feed them a raw homemade diet, but I don't have the time, and this frozen stuff sounds pretty good according to their website.
Should I just stick with one brand of wet food? I wanted to do maybe one type in the morning, and one type at night to liven things up a bit, but will this bother their tummies? (Zorro has a cast-iron stomach so I know it won't bother him, but I'm not too sure about Diva)
post #16 of 18
Wet foods tend not to have as many tummy problems as dry with changes but as far as switching beween raw and wet, I am not sure,
post #17 of 18
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Originally Posted by icklemiss21 View Post
Wet foods tend not to have as many tummy problems as dry with changes but as far as switching beween raw and wet, I am not sure,
If going between raw and wet always separate the feedings by a few hours
post #18 of 18
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Originally Posted by icklemiss21 View Post

Personally, some of mine have problems with wet so I can't give much advice but as far as Nutrience, I tend not to even look at foods that have pure bred and domestic formulas... and their website only has information on the dry so I can't check the ingredients.
I looked around their site and the link for the canned food is kinda hidena nd hard to find. But I did find it.

http://www.nutrience.com/english/cat/C-2150.html
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