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One child policy - loophole?

post #1 of 16
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A thread in the Lounge prompted me to start this here.

Max and I watched a documentary last night on how Chinese families are getting around the one child policy. It states that women can only give birth once. So if you have twins, you can keep both babies. Quite a loophole. Many chemists in rural China are selling fertility drugs over-the-counter without prescription, so that women can try to ensure a multiple birth. It's working. Women are taking these drugs and having twins and more, quite commonly in rural areas. One lady they spoke to had quintuplets. She kept four of the children and gave one of the girls away. And there's nothing the government can do about it.

Now, China has a population of over 1.31 billion people. Over 700,000 thousand of them live in rural areas. In these areas, adequate healthcare and education is scarce. Incomes are tiny, and barely enough (if enough at all) to support the farmers. Despite its emergence as a world superpower, many of China's population live in abject poverty. Lack of education, as well as a need for plenty of hands to help farm, have led to these people trying any way possible to have more than one child.

Max said he agrees with the policy. With a population that high, any more than one child per family would soon lead to an out-of-control situation - far worse than it is now. And I agree on one level. On another, how is it right to deprive people of their desire for a family? In particular the very poor people who rely on their children to help them earn their income. It is a very difficult question with no solution that will be for the good of everyone. As it is, the atrocities committed against female children do not bear thinking about. But would changing the one-child policy do anything to help that? I don't think so.

What do you think?
post #2 of 16
I think China should lift the ban completely and figure out they have the largest country in the world thus able to handle a large pop ...
post #3 of 16
When something is banned it often becomes more desirous to have. However, no matter if it is in place or not China needs to makes some better human rights policies to deal with the people already there and then worry about the new people yet to come.
post #4 of 16
or if you have money, I have a friend that is married to a goverment offical. how she has a job with a american drug company there, and is paid in american money. She has 2.

Any, people want kids(for some reason) but at the same time China is trying to do something to limit there pop. That many people are very hard to feed. Plus they already have shortage of females. I think they should change there rules some. But also they need to work on there view of women in the family.
But over all they most important thing is they need to limit there growth, along with education on women.
post #5 of 16
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
Plus they already have storage of females.
That threw me for a moment there, Bruce, till I realized you meant to type "a shortage".

Actually there are already a number of loopholes in the policy. The rural population may have a second child if the first is a girl, as traditionally sons are expected to care for their parents in old age. Minorities may also have more than one child, divorced people in a second marriage may have another child, and only children who marry other only children may also have two.
post #6 of 16
And yet in Singapore, they gave people money to have more children

Not sure if that's still happening, but it was a few years ago.
THe whole world is overpopulated, but it still seems somehow wrong to legally prevent people from having children--I think rewards for limiting your offspring might be more agreeable. Like a big tax deduction for no kids instead of more for each child.
post #7 of 16
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Originally Posted by sharky View Post
I think China should lift the ban completely and figure out they have the largest country in the world thus able to handle a large pop ...
China is not the largest country in the world in terms of land mass. That honour goes to Russia, with Canada coming in second.

China is by no means small, but it's bursting at the seams with people. The people of that country are pretty close to living like sardines in a can...squished, squished, squished.
post #8 of 16
When people are happy, well cared-for, and educated, their population growth approaches zero naturally. In many western european countries they're having to encourage people to have children.

China needs to deal with its massive humanitarian crises first and get out of Tibet and then maybe some of the other problems would start taking care of themselves. When you stop treating people like they have no personality and are expendable resources...
post #9 of 16
I feel that this is a family issue, where the goverment shouldn't be able to tell them how many children you can or can't have. I don't care if someone wants 20 kids or 1, either way it's up to the parents. As long as they can afford to take care of the children financially and emotionally, who cares? I do understand though that they are doing this because of a population issue, but instead of worrying about the future children of the world, they should worry about the ones already there IMO!
post #10 of 16
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They are worrying about the ones already there. That is why this policy is in place. And the majority of the population can't afford to take care of their children emotionally and particularly not financially. It's nice to think that the government shouldn't interfere with family issues, but this is a massive, massive problem in China, and government intervention has been necessary.
post #11 of 16
hmmmmm, the problem is that they are sending those people over to australia and europe, it was said that roughly in 300 years there wont be any white people left as they arent reproducing as much as the asians. I know that sounds rude. But its true
post #12 of 16
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hmmmmm, the problem is that they are sending those people over to australia and europe, it was said that roughly in 300 years there wont be any white people left as they arent reproducing as much as the asians. I know that sounds rude. But its true
Sorry, I'm not laughing at you but at that stat. They've been saying the same thing about Hispanics in America for as long as I can remember. It would be true if a) the population said to be expanding so rapidly had the same mortality rates as the general population and b) they actually keep up the rapid birth rate for 300 years.

Neither of those are true. It isn't going to happen.

And hopefully 300 years from now people won't be worrying about it anyway, it's not threatening, it's just a change in dominant skin tones.
post #13 of 16
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As long as they can afford to take care of the children financially and emotionally, who cares?
But it does affect the rest of the us. First, one has to assume that they can take care of them financially and emotionally. If they can't, how do you separate them from those that can? And what happens if the situation changes? Kids are a lifetime commitment.

But even assuming they can, our planet just has a limit for what it can tolerate. Pollution, food, resources, water, living space...at some point, we have to limit our population.

Many other animals self-regulate their populations according to their available resources. Humans are the only ones that react to a lack of resources by having more children. We have to rely on our intellect to maintain our population.
post #14 of 16
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And hopefully 300 years from now people won't be worrying about it anyway, it's not threatening, it's just a change in dominant skin tones.
props to that!
post #15 of 16
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Originally Posted by fwan View Post
hmmmmm, the problem is that they are sending those people over to australia and europe, it was said that roughly in 300 years there wont be any white people left as they arent reproducing as much as the asians. I know that sounds rude. But its true
What????? Oh dear...Fran, honey, please don't believe everything racist and bigoted people tell you. It is rude, and it's not true.
post #16 of 16
Actually - China is facing a crisis of having an aging population. It, along with the fact that there are going to be so many unmarried men, is going to cause a lot of social turmoil in the country. By 2050, 25% of the population is going to be elderly.
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