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~Couldnt go through with the Spay because She's Pregnant~

post #1 of 19
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~Well one of the cats brought to me last week is pregnant. Sadly when she came to me she had just had babies...has full milk....so I assume she had babies in the woods where she was dropped...but those who found her found no babies. She went the first few days meowing LOUDLY like she was calling for her young ones. I had an appointment for later in the month to get everybody spayed/neutered but with an emergency visit to the vet today I went ahead and took ALL of them...being as though my vet for the last 7 years is 2 hours away from me...and everybody goes to get spayed/neutered tomorrow but Puddin' and Grace (who the kids have now named Zamora). With the exam today Zamora's fate tomorrow has been put on hold. She is indeed pregnant...however there is no movement...and she is not real big so the vet said she is only a few weeks or so along.~

~ I cannot imagine how she got pregnant so fast after having babies in the woods. It is a local drop spot for unwanted animals so Im sure they had to come across a male cat out there somewhere....but she still has milk for goodness sake! Sheesh! So once her babies are here...she will be spayed IMMEDIATLY! So whew...in a couple months or less I will again have kittens! I will be moved by then so at least it wont be AS busy as it is right now! 2 of the wild cats that come on my back deck seem to have given birth too the last few days! I cannot find them anywhere in MY yard but this block has tons of empty sheds and buildings so no telling where they had their babies. I just hate this time of year...when every stray I see is big and pregnant...and looking so alone and afraid~
post #2 of 19
You do know that you CAN have her spayed while pregnant. Especially since she is just at the beginning, it doesn't matter when they are still at the beginning, its at the end of the pregnancy that some vets won't do it. Plus it could be dangerous for her to have another litter so soon after the last.
post #3 of 19
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~Yes I am aware of this. I just refuse to have it done. She is 2-3 weeks along...and while my vet WILL do it...he knows not to ask. He has been my vet for 7 years and knows I am strictly against aborting babies~


~Here is her belly pic from tonight~
post #4 of 19
Aww, poor girl... she's gone through so much. She's lucky she found you. I know how you feel, when I found out that Sasha has NOT been spayed like the vet first told me and was pregnant I knew that I should have her spayed but just couldn't do it.
post #5 of 19
aborting kittens isn't like a person getting one, they are alot of unwanted kittens in this world why add to the ever growing population?
post #6 of 19
its a matter of personal choice. and if she cant do it, she cant. Shes here for support, and we should help support her, not degrade her for her choice.

I happen to agree with her, i couldnt do it either.
post #7 of 19
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aborting kittens is like a person getting one,
EXACTLY! And I would NEVER have an abortion myself....because even if I could not afford or care for a child...there are plenty of childless families that would be happy to adopt one......that is how I feel with animals as well.....although there is an overpopulation of animals in the world......any babies that I adopt out will go to the BEST of homes. They do sign a 8 page adoption contract that states for any reason they cannot keep the pet it comes back to ME! I also have the right to inspect the pet's living conditions at ANY TIME and take back any animal I feel is not being properly cared for. So while there are many kittens in the world needing good homes.....any kittens that she has will 150% go to GOOD HOMES! It takes over a month for me to approve a potential family.....sometimes longer. To adopt a pet from me you will go through about the same paperwork to adopt a CHILD or buy a house haha! I do background checks, criminal checks, vet references, landlord verification etc. I am against any cat getting pregnant 100% BUT I will not take a life....be it animal or of the human kind.~


~Matter of fact I am not even too happy with BREEDERS. While there are some very reputable breeders out in the world....we can all probably agree that there are TOO MANY breeders....regardless of their morals. Because IMO they are also adding to the overpopulation....only difference is they are PLANNING breedings. In my 7 yrs of rescue....Ive seen a LARGE amount of full breed dogs and cats...coming from breeders etc. Homeless animals doesnt limit itself to mixes and the sort. Pure breed dogs and cats are put down each day~
post #8 of 19
I believe the poster meant to say it isn't like a human getting an abortion. Just left out a few letters.

I won't condemn your choice but I do want to clarify. You say you are against breeders because of the overpopulation problem. You say you do not want to play God. Yet, to me, and this is only my question, the kittens you place so well into loving, secure homes will take the place of other cats in those homes. In other words, other cats will not be adopted because these kittens you have will be.

Some shelter worker/vet will then have to "play God" by putting down that many more cats who could not get homes.

I do not mean to upset you here. Am simply looking for clarification. What I see is that you simply do not believe in abortion for anyone. If that is the case, I understand. The other reasons just aren't holding water.
post #9 of 19
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Originally Posted by mom_2_3 View Post
EXACTLY! And I would NEVER have an abortion myself....because even if I could not afford or care for a child...there are plenty of childless families that would be happy to adopt one......that is how I feel with animals as well.....although there is an overpopulation of animals in the world......any babies that I adopt out will go to the BEST of homes. They do sign a 8 page adoption contract that states for any reason they cannot keep the pet it comes back to ME! I also have the right to inspect the pet's living conditions at ANY TIME and take back any animal I feel is not being properly cared for. So while there are many kittens in the world needing good homes.....any kittens that she has will 150% go to GOOD HOMES! It takes over a month for me to approve a potential family.....sometimes longer. To adopt a pet from me you will go through about the same paperwork to adopt a CHILD or buy a house haha! I do background checks, criminal checks, vet references, landlord verification etc. I am against any cat getting pregnant 100% BUT I will not take a life....be it animal or of the human kind.~


~Matter of fact I am not even too happy with BREEDERS. While there are some very reputable breeders out in the world....we can all probably agree that there are TOO MANY breeders....regardless of their morals. Because IMO they are also adding to the overpopulation....only difference is they are PLANNING breedings. In my 7 yrs of rescue....Ive seen a LARGE amount of full breed dogs and cats...coming from breeders etc. Homeless animals doesnt limit itself to mixes and the sort. Pure breed dogs and cats are put down each day~

I totally agree with you and I commend you for taking in all of the cats that you do. It is your decision about letting her have the babies and everyone here should respect that decision. If they don't like it or don't agree with it and have something negative (non-supportive) to say, then they should stay out of this thread! I am here to support you whether I agree with your choice or not.
post #10 of 19
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~I am against abortion PERIOD. Im just saying be it animals or humans. Its not right in my opinion and I am entitled to that.~

~As far as kittens I am placing into homes that take the place of other kittens in need of homes. Possibly....but most of the animals I have adopted out have went to family....friends of the family...people I have known for years etc...and almost none of them would have adopted from the local shelters. I dont want to take the credit for it personally but I pretty much talk them into it....and then they are forever grateful for it. There will always be more animals than there are homes for....this cat having 2-3 babies is not going to change that. I wish there was no such thing as KILL shelters....I cannot change the world...but I can help alittle bit at a time and that is what I have and will continue to do~

~But abortion is abortion...plain and simple....why would I do something to another living soul that I believe with all that I am should never be done to a human? This is not an opinion based on anything other than the fact I would NEVER do it.....no matter who its to. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion....so why all of a sudden the gang up on me???? I will always be open to hearing peoples opinion..and I NEVER judge even if I disagree....nobody has that right~
post #11 of 19
I did not see what I said as judging you. I tried very hard to make sure it did not come across that way. I do admire what you do for the dogs and the cats.

I do understand you are against abortion. I just wanted to make sure that was the only true reason and not get lost in all the other stuff.

Please do try to understand why, for the reasons I stated before, others may not support decisions such as this.

When you put your statements out here in the public forum there are going to be those who disagree. That is a given. Not everyone will be supportive, people are just too different for that. No offense was meant with my posts. Simply stating how "I" feel which is okay on these forums.
post #12 of 19
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~No...sorry I didnt mean for it to sound like I thought you were judging me. Its hard getting your opinion across online in words....because people reading it cannot hear your expressions and meanings behind them. I was stating in general that I dont judge...not saying you were. Sorry if it came across as that.~

~That is my main reason for not doing so.....I was adding to that to say that it is not only irresponsible owners or people who allow their mix cats to breed that are adding to the problem...but that everyone as a whole....is part of the problem. If you arent part of the solution then you are part of the problem. I AM being a part of the problem by allowing her to have these babies...but I hope that I reclaim my self as part of the solution by providing them with the best homes....and help saying as many other animals as I possibly can.~

~That is the misconception held by most that the shelters are full of mutts, mixes and wot not....but truth of the matter there are alot of full blooded animals sitting on death row as well. There are alot of dogs that were purposely bred dying each dat at the end of a needle. Why are there breeders? What is the reason behind breeding? Arent there enough strays in the world to take up peoples homes, lives and love? If there were less breeders, and more people adopting out of shelters and rescues...then eventually there would be less of a need for shelters and rescues. To me it doesnt matter....pedigree'd Persian or Domest Shorthair...they ALL need love~
post #13 of 19
I think its because people don't really see beyond the 'looks' I'm getting a purebred kitten as a friend for my black cat Bindi, its hard sometimes not too. but I am against breeding because cats as you see there are way many casts in the world.

People veiw pets as property in our world and like flashy cars, there will always be purebreds

Personally in my opinion if you are going to be breeding, be a reputable one and spay and nueter every kit, you do not want to use for breeding, and be careful with the breeders.

Animal abandonment, overpopulation is a fact of life, one that I think will not changeing anytime soon they are sadly just too many animals out there and too many stupid humans who do evil things to them.
post #14 of 19
I just wanted to say that she's a beautiful and that I agree with your decision 100%
I could never have a pregnant cat spayed either.
post #15 of 19
Just slightly off topic - PantherPride, if you were truly against breeding, you wouldnt' be buying a pedigree, by doing it you are supporting breeding.
Good luck with the pregnancy, and I do hope it isn't too hard on her, being so soon after the previous one. At least she is with someone caring now, and this will be her last.
post #16 of 19
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~Yes...this will be her last and she has a couple good things going for her...she has ME as a mom....and she is of good weight and health. She may have just had babies not too long ago....but she is a BIG cat and isnt skinny by any means. She is steadily gaining weight and other than being pregnant....she has a clean bill of health from the vet. It would be much worse if she was underweight and have parasites etc!~
post #17 of 19
Sorry to bring up such a debate hehe! At least it is a friendly one. I am Pro-Choice and I have spayed many pregnant cats. I don't feel bad about it, maybe I should, I am not a bad person but with the HUGE overpopulation, cats being put down every single second of every single day... why add more? Some people are careless with their intact females and because of that I will spay them if they come to me. It could have been prevented in the first place but it wasn't.
post #18 of 19
I think it's great you've saved her! I hope you find good homes for the kittens
post #19 of 19
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~Jen....I agree....it SHOULD have been prevented....but unfortunatly I have no clue who her owner was....who dropped her off in the woods....and left the 3 cats there to die. Im not sure if she had babies in the woods....or how long they had been there. She may have had the babies at her HOME....maybe her babies died....maybe the owners did something HORRIBLE to them...I wouldnt put anything past the type of people who drop 2 cats and a small kitten out in thick woods where Coyotes etc are KNOWN to be. I cannot imagine what these cats went through. They werent underweight....they are in good health otherwise....all I DO know is that if I had her back then...she would NOT be pregnant. I have never in my 7 years of having animals allow ANY animal to be bred. There is no such thing as an accident. You keep your animals spayed/neutered....or in the house away from opposite sex animals. Its that simple. No reason for an "ACCIDENTAL BREEDING".~

~Only thing I am sure of is she is in good hands now. This discussion should be done and over with because spaying while pregnant is a personal preference. Everyone here is here for similiar reasons....this is a kitten/pregnant cat thread....and everyone on THIS particular thread either has a new kitten or a cat who will be having them soon. Also we are all here for the good of the cats. People shouldnt shun me for my religious beliefs.....but shun the people who allowed this poor girl to get pregnant to begin with...! Believe you me I have a few words for THEM~


~On a GOOD note...all the other cats are doing well! They were spayed yesterday and everyone minus Freeway who is still at the vets recovering....is home with my friend Andrea and doing well.....its worth every dollar I spend knowing these cats are all on the right track to a new life...~
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