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post #1 of 14
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These are the people that our alliance are fighting and dying for, to defend their freedom to do stuff like this?? And this isn't insurgents or terrorists, this was the girls family!!

I'm about an inch away from the opinion that we should just plow Iraq under, pave it, and give it to Iran as a parking lot

And WARNING, this clip is of the act itself, it is very graphic and disturbing..

http://video.aol.com/video/iraq-ston...gation/1908609
post #2 of 14
That was SO upsetting to see the video. I will never understand the reasoning behind honor killings - doesn't killing someone betray one's honor? Its sickening.
post #3 of 14
That just makes me so sick to my stomach! In the Islamic faith, a woman who dishonors her family is to be punished by being stoned to death. There are many groups set up in these Islamic regions as a safe haven for these girls, but too many times, they cant get to these safe havens and they lose their lives. And it always involves their own family who they have "shamed" or "dishonored". And it happens when she is suspected of not being a virgin.
post #4 of 14
stuff like that is part of there culture, in that area of the world, Not just Iraq.
SO is throwing acid in a girl face who may have just been seen walking with the wrong boy. could be cause the boy is higher or lower then she is. In some area you can go back to the old caste system which is still very much in play. But what do you expect in places where they kill women that are raped
post #5 of 14
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I've always been aware that their culture was like that. What makes me angry about it is that now, they have a almost functioning democratic government, and our troops are giving all to keep the radicals fought back to try to secure the Iraqi's some freedom. And this is what they want the freedom to keep doing? There is no room in a democracy for such things.
post #6 of 14
Democracy only works when the citizens of the country install it themselves. Havign a foreign country invade and create a democracy out of thin air has never and will never work. If only people who start wars would crack open a history book or read Anatomy of a Revolution.

The government doesn't change the culture, the culture changes the government. What exists in Iraq now is a totalitarian culture with a democratic government on the cusp of failure, which is using its power to enforce shi'ia rules on everyone. Yes, that's right, the democracy we installed is more religiously extremist than the secular-ish Sunni government of Hussein. Weird huh?
post #7 of 14
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Weird yes, but sadly, not surprising. Saddam was a bad, bad man...but he had the only form of government that will work in a muslim nation. The rule of the gun.

Islam was a peaceful religion once, when Mohammad was alive. But the very day that he died, Islam schizm'd into 2 sects fighting over who would take Mohammad's place, and they've been at it ever since. There will never ever ever never be peace between the Shiites and Sunnis, only victory for one, or total mutual destruction. Heck of a future huh?
post #8 of 14
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Weird yes, but sadly, not surprising. Saddam was a bad, bad man...but he had the only form of government that will work in a muslim nation. The rule of the gun.

Islam was a peaceful religion once, when Mohammad was alive. But the very day that he died, Islam schizm'd into 2 sects fighting over who would take Mohammad's place, and they've been at it ever since. There will never ever ever never be peace between the Shiites and Sunnis, only victory for one, or total mutual destruction. Heck of a future huh?
Could've said that about the Protestants and Catholics one day not all that long ago. I don't think any one religion or people is fatally flawed like that (or we all are... hmmmm) but the people exploiting it to gain power/money/fame are. binLaden isn't even all that religious. He's just a crazy millionaire who decided to go to war. Maybe if people would let them be for awhile instead of drawing arbitrary lines in the sand and telling them where the countries are, leaving the Kurds to fend for themselves in various countries that don't want them, and throwing together groups that wouldn't have chosen each other, and invading them telling them its for the best... maybe it would work out.
post #9 of 14
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True..but have the Catholics and Protestants ever given a guarantee of heaven to anyone that would kill one of the others?? Thats what the Muslim clerics are doing....

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/B218382.htm

Islam is now closer to imploding in some parts of the world that it has ever been.
A muslim killing a muslim was taboo for 1500 years, but now the clerics say it's ok, encouraged in fact, if they are from another sect.
post #10 of 14
The St Bartholomew's Day Massacre was celebrated by the Pope at the time. THe violence brought on the Protestants in the UK by Irish Catholics, though it had other reasons as does the Sunni Shi'ia clash, when I was growing up had a similar mindset. My point is that any time a religion has factions this happens, that its a flaw of human condition and not any one particular group/culture/religion. Looking through history, the Mid East right now is actually pretty comparable sociopolitically to medieval Europe. Except more guns.
post #11 of 14
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The government doesn't change the culture, the culture changes the government.
Yep, very true,
that why when people keep giving up rights, and stuff to are goverment worries me

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Islam was a peaceful religion once, when Mohammad was alive. But the very day that he died, Islam schizm'd into 2 sects fighting over who would take Mohammad's place, and they've been at it ever since. There will never ever ever never be peace between the Shiites and Sunnis, only victory for one, or total mutual destruction. Heck of a future huh?
hmm, after reading tons of history, and even reading the koran there was nothing peaceful about mohammad or his rise in power.

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C, leaving the Kurds to fend for themselves in various countries that don't want them, and throwing together groups that wouldn't have chosen each other, and invading them telling them its for the best... maybe it would work out.
what worries me here is the kurds who have taken full advangte of this , to do some very good thing for there are, now causing issue with turkey, and the kurds in there. last i was reading turkey was moving some more troops in the area along with a warning for the kurds in iraq to stay on there side of the border.
post #12 of 14
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I completely agree that historically, Islam has a long history of strife and bloodshed, as does nearly every religion. If you want to take it to a historical "blow by blow", early Islam actually was more peaceful than early Christianity. Whereas Islam welcomed converts into their fold, Christianity spent hundreds of years in a campaign of "conversion by conquest", complete with murder and torture.
lol both did. but i wont get into details about what is very different between the 2. Since this is not what we are talking
post #13 of 14
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Ooops, sorry. I was busy deleting my own post for gettin' off topic while you were replying

In all honesty, we've been off topic for awhile now, because neither the girl nor her murderers were Muslims. In fact, it was a Muslim boy that she was in love with.

Her religion is an obscure one that is to Islam what the snake handlers are to Christianity.
post #14 of 14
some how what they need to change there way of thinking about women.
sure those of us here, hate it. But the question is how do you change what is ingained.

i mean come on, they had riots in one country cause the rulers wanted to past a bill of rights for women.
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