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post #91 of 141
8/5/07 at 7:05am
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
Yep, nothing like missing out on having a childhood because you are expected to work every waking moment to hold your oversized family together.

at least they are learning to work, and not goofing off.
then maybe the wont go around asking for hand outs from the goverment later in life, unless really needed.
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post #92 of 141
8/5/07 at 7:21am
I was raised with those ethics Bruce and I didn't also have to be worked to the bone to achieve them. It is possible, easy and achievable to raise your children with good, decent morals and also allow them to have a childhood. What's wrong with goofing off once in a while? They're kids.
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post #93 of 141
8/5/07 at 10:20am
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
I was raised with those ethics Bruce and I didn't also have to be worked to the bone to achieve them. It is possible, easy and achievable to raise your children with good, decent morals and also allow them to have a childhood. What's wrong with goofing off once in a while? They're kids.
Exactly what I was thinking.
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post #94 of 141
8/5/07 at 10:22am
They remind me of any French-Canadian family in the last generation...Many families I know in this demographic had 10, 12,16 children all raised Catholic.

My belief in freedom of rights for the individual prevents me from thinking this is immoral or indecent or that it's any of my business.

Yes, it resembles any christian like cult and yes, I wouldn't be able to stomach the basic tenet of Jesus first, Others second, Yourself Last! (JOY!) for even a moment, but it's not my life they are living and they aren't harming me or anyone else. It just reminds me of a large christian camp where everyone is related.

I don't really see a problem with the two oldest girls making meals. I am sure that they do receive assistance.

Oddly enough what surprised me is that they eat alot of crap food....but this appears to be a necessity due to the size of their family. Their recipes are all casseroles that come primarily from cans.. And they are easy quick one step recipes that I think any 17 year old girl could accomplish easily.

The one problem I have is the burden this places on the earth in terms of waste and excess but again, it isn't my right to disallow them their freedoms.
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post #95 of 141
8/5/07 at 10:26am
I see now that someone mentioned that they make the children wear fetus placards around their neck at pro-life rallies. I do NOT agree with that if it is indeed true. That's reprehensible.
I would like to see where this information came from.
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post #96 of 141
8/5/07 at 11:40am
What is wrong with "Jesus First", after all he sacrified his life to save the world.
If everyone put others above themselves this would be a much better world. Much better than the "me" generation.
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post #97 of 141
8/5/07 at 11:43am
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
Yep, nothing like missing out on having a childhood because you are expected to work every waking moment to hold your oversized family together.
So, teaching kids responsiblity means they are "missing out on have a childhood"? I don't think so. Kids have WAY to much leisure time, that is one reason they get into trouble. Keep 'em busy and they won't have time to get in trouble.
This national obsession and harsh judgement of these people who AREN'T on the dole and are raising their children to be responsible members of society is disturbing to me.
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post #98 of 141
8/5/07 at 11:50am
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
I was raised with those ethics Bruce and I didn't also have to be worked to the bone to achieve them. It is possible, easy and achievable to raise your children with good, decent morals and also allow them to have a childhood. What's wrong with goofing off once in a while? They're kids.
I will again say, what we're seeing on video isn't necessarily indicative of their day-to-day life. We DON'T KNOW that they're being "worked to the bone" and we DON'T KNOW that they're not goofing off when the cameras aren't there. But I'll bet if they are, it's not being couch potatoes playing hour after hour of video games or hanging around under a bridge somewhere just waiting for trouble to find them. I'm sorry if those of you who had younger siblings feel resentful that you had to help care for them, but that's YOUR parents' fault. No one KNOWS that the Duggars aren't providing their children the love and attention they need to thrive, but from what I've seen none of these kids harbor any resentment toward their sibs -- it's just the way life is for them, and they're happy with their life. It's possible to raise children with good, decent morals and allow them to have a childhood no matter what size your family is.
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post #99 of 141
8/5/07 at 11:50am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
What is wrong with "Jesus First", after all he sacrified his life to save the world.
If everyone put others above themselves this would be a much better world. Much better than the "me" generation.
I don't believe that story so it would be akin to me putting Gnomes or Pixies ahead of my well-being.

However, I don't believe in just "ME" either (save that for the right wingers (I am a Humanitarian Universalist..IE I believe in HUMANKIND )

I have worked in areas all of the community that put the needs of all humankind first. And I do believe in taking care of oneself SO that you can take care of others.
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post #100 of 141
8/5/07 at 11:52am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
So, teaching kids responsiblity means they are "missing out on have a childhood"? I don't think so. Kids have WAY to much leisure time, that is one reason they get into trouble. Keep 'em busy and they won't have time to get in trouble.
Thanks ck!!!
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post #101 of 141
8/5/07 at 11:53am
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Originally Posted by Loveysmummy View Post
I have worked in areas all of the community that put the needs of all humankind first. And I do believe in taking care of oneself SO that you can take care of others.
Is there ANY indication that the Duggars are doing anything BUT that????
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post #102 of 141
8/5/07 at 11:55am
I've refrained from commenting so far, because I don't really see anything so unusual about this family. Alright, I'm 50 (baby boomer), so I grew up during the sixties and seventies, and family sizes have decreased over time, but many of my classmates (many Catholics) came from families that size, and my b-i-l (formerly LDS) has 10 siblings. His parents rent a hall at Christmas, because nobody's house can accommodate all the spouses, children, and grandchildren.

I grew up with two brothers, a sister, and one foster brother. One brother was 3 1/2 years older, my sister 3 1/2 years younger, and the rest of us (twin, foster and I) were the same age. My mother went back to work full time when I was 11, and we were expected to look after our little sister, do the everyday cleaning, straightening up, and laundry, and cook dinner. We didn't feel "cheated" out of our childhoods, because that was the norm among classmates, friends, and neighbors. One friend, who had a stay-at-home mom, didn't have those responsibilities, but her mom also wouldn't allow her and her two siblings inside the house when they had school vacations, so she obviously wasn't envied.

One thing that gives me pause is the home schooling, as I think that deprives these kids of a social network outside the family.
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post #103 of 141
8/5/07 at 11:59am
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Originally Posted by Loveysmummy View Post
I don't believe that story so it would be akin to me putting Gnomes or Pixies ahead of my well-being.

However, I don't believe in just "ME" either (save that for the right wingers (I am a Humanitarian Universalist..IE I believe in HUMANKIND )

I have worked in areas all of the community that put the needs of all humankind first. And I do believe in taking care of oneself SO that you can take care of others.
I'm sorry you don't believe. But it doesn't change the fact that is the truth.
But that is for another thread.


People watch a TV show and think that gives them in-depth, intimate knowledge of all aspects of these people's lives. Wrong.

And the little dig about the "right wingers" is about typical of the "left wingers"
That's okay, I do it also.
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post #104 of 141
8/5/07 at 12:01pm
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Originally Posted by RicaLynn View Post
Is there ANY indication that the Duggars are doing anything BUT that????

My comment was in relation to them putting God first (That is why they continue to have children...to serve god) and how that is fine for them but I couldn't stomach that belief system.
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post #105 of 141
8/5/07 at 12:03pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I'm sorry you don't believe. But it doesn't change the fact that is the truth.
But that is for another thread.


People watch a TV show and think that gives them in-depth, intimate knowledge of all aspects of these people's lives. Wrong.

And the little dig about the "right wingers" is about typical of the "left wingers"
That's okay, I do it also.
Uh, it doesn't change my truth either.

I didn't watch the t.v show and get the idea that they live for God first. This is straight out of their mouths on their own website. Very typical of fundamentalist Christians.

Yeah, the dig was for you because I knew you would appreciate it.
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post #106 of 141
8/5/07 at 1:19pm
Oh, I agree with you on their 'living for God first", yes they do. I think it is wonderful and the best way to raise children.

I was referring to posters saying these kids have no down-time or no time to be kids, etc, etc.
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post #107 of 141
8/5/07 at 2:29pm
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
I was raised with those ethics Bruce and I didn't also have to be worked to the bone to achieve them. It is possible, easy and achievable to raise your children with good, decent morals and also allow them to have a childhood. What's wrong with goofing off once in a while? They're kids.

lol yea, i saw the show, they look sooooooo worked to the bone.
work frist play later. that is something that many people seem to be missing now.

trust me i have noooo issue with goofing off
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post #108 of 141
8/6/07 at 7:54am
I saw a snippet of one show where they were going on vacation, and taking RVs. What a fiasco!! but then as I don't care too much about them I changed the channel

as much as I personally would never even dream (or is it a nightmare?) of having that many kids, they do appear to be loved and well-cared for and that is a lot more than can be said about many many children in this country today. There is one mother and one father, and the family is together. Not saying that divorce is bad or anything, but i know of a few situations where the mother may have 5 or 6 kids by 3 or 4 different men, or conversely men that have children by 4 or 5 different women. As much as I do not agree with their teachings and beliefs, I have to think that the Duggar family is a lot better at raising their kids than some other parents.
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post #109 of 141
8/6/07 at 11:43am
To each there own, as long as my tax dollars aren't paying for them... Then I'm fine with it!
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post #110 of 141
8/6/07 at 12:25pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
in·sane (ĭn-sān') Pronunciation Key
adj.

Of, exhibiting, or afflicted with insanity.
Characteristic of or associated with persons afflicted with insanity: an insane laugh; insane babbling.
Intended for use by such persons: an insane asylum.
Immoderate; wild: insane jealousy.
Very foolish; absurd: took insane risks behind the wheel.

"Insane" that a teenager makes dinner for 19 people. Nope, I don't think it fits.


I say again, I find it astounding that people think this family is BAD for raising their children to be good, responsible people.
OK, let me choose IMMODERATE and ABSURD rather than insane, since you want to be so LITERAL.

It is ABSURD for a 19 year old to be responsible for making dinner for a mob that size. And who criticized HOW they are raising their children? I am criticizing HOW MANY they have and the fact that they want MORE. THAT is IMMODERATE.
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post #111 of 141
8/6/07 at 2:36pm
No, YOU think it is absurd, it is your opinion. It doesn't make it so.
They think different. And they are not hurting anyone or taking anyone's tax dollars. It is their private life.
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post #112 of 141
8/6/07 at 3:05pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
It is their private life.
HA! It isn't private when they do TV specials every time they have another one. When they make money of it.

I don't mind their family, but you can't hardly make the argument that it's a private life when they've purposefully gone and made it public.
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post #113 of 141
8/6/07 at 3:37pm
Yikes! I am cringing at the thought of spending so much of my life pregnant - 3 times was more than enough for me...
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post #114 of 141
8/6/07 at 3:56pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
No, YOU think it is absurd, it is your opinion. It doesn't make it so.
They think different. And they are not hurting anyone or taking anyone's tax dollars. It is their private life.
And that is YOUR opinion.

Last time I checked, this WAS the IMO section.

May I ask, do you know them personally, or is all you know simply gleaned from the TV show and/or articles in the media?
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post #115 of 141
8/6/07 at 4:18pm
You got that right. Aren't opinions wonderful?

I know the Duggars about the same as everyone else on this forum Ginger.
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post #116 of 141
8/6/07 at 8:42pm
My grandmother came from a family of 19. She loved it and recalls fond memories of her childhood, she was the youngest. It wasn't seen as unnatural or sick by society at that time.

She had a large family too, all boys. Family gatherings are always fun. Those that come from small families don't understand the dynamics that come with large families.

I couldn't care less about the Duggar's. The only thing that bothers me about them is making their girl children wear skirts. I don't agree or like that sexist attitude at all.

But they aren't stupid/bad people and aren't harming anyone or forcing their children to be slaves or anything. They are happy about their family and seem very family oriented and loving. Set 60 years ago or so, they would have been around normal as far as family size goes. People wouldn’t have hated them for wanting many children.

I find it annoying that all these people think they are horrible and pass these heavy unrealistic judgments over something they have no experience with, simply since they are giving birth to a large family and learning at the same time how to make it work for them. What number is acceptable to everyone? 2, 3, 4, 5, how about one child per household, like China? Or I have seen some people even say no children at all, they should adopt if they want a family at all.
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post #117 of 141
8/7/07 at 3:14pm
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Originally Posted by GingersMom View Post
It is ABSURD for a 19 year old to be responsible for making dinner for a mob that size.
It would be ABSURD if she were preparing the meal BY HERSELF, but all the meal preps that I've seen involved several of the kids. And they seemed to be enjoying themselves.
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post #118 of 141
8/19/07 at 7:56am
I don't even want to think what having all these kids could be doing to this woman's body. I don't think it's healthy for one woman to be having all these children.
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post #119 of 141
8/19/07 at 8:00am
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Originally Posted by XxtashaxX View Post
wouldnt they find the time at night when all the children are asleep in bed? or dont anyone have sex at night no more?
the oldest is what 19?? if she wasnt happy with how her life is wouldnt she move out?
Oh I don't know. For a girl to move out, if she wanted to (and I have no idea if she wants to or not), she would need a job or some sort of means to support herself and be able to afford housing/food/clothing. Are these older children have plans to go to college? What are their plans for the future?
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post #120 of 141
8/19/07 at 8:43am
I'm going to guess by the way the older kids talk and the way the family is structured that the girls will not be going anywhere until their wedding day. They've said as much. From the division of labor in the household, I don't think they're about to go to college and get a job. If I do have any problems with their family, it's that the children are cookie cutters of their parents and their rigid gender-divided roles. Meaning, the girls will all be stay at home moms. I have no problem with women who choose to do so, it's more work than I could handle right now, but these girls haven't really had much choice in the matter having been homeschooled and having no financial support to go to any kind of secondary school... They don't seem to mind much though...
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