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post #61 of 89
You'll need a siamese, oriental shorthair, and a rex as well... I mean, if you really wanna know! LOL!
post #62 of 89
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Originally Posted by Siggav View Post
Hey you'll have to have a Bengal as well to conclusively answer it!

Just for fun, here's Nikita's brand of madness: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGpXUB2ydkY She's gotten better at jumping since I took those video clips of her though.
Gee, I can't imagine why you have your fireplace blocked off.

They get into everything, don't they?
post #63 of 89
Not only does Joyeux get into everything, she does it at 50mph and at the top of her lungs. She better not teach the baby Tonk to yell.. and Joyeux yells and whines, she doesn't just talk. All day long. About everything and about nothing when she's worn out everything else.
post #64 of 89
Hope, Takoda is very small as well. I don't want to call him petite because he is so powerful and petite is girlie! Magnum who is 5 months younger but is the same size as Takoda. Magnum is built like a tank.

Takoda has serious glitter and a rounder muzzle! Which I absolutely love! Magnum has changed a lot in this picture, he has lost his baby face. He has a very angular face and gorgeous gold eyes.

post #65 of 89
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Originally Posted by tiffanyjbt View Post
You'll need a siamese, oriental shorthair, and a rex as well... I mean, if you really wanna know! LOL!
Had the siamese previously, missing the OSH and I just adopted me a Cornie!

So, I only need an OSH and an bengal...

I'm good to go I think
post #66 of 89
Thread Starter 
Don't forget that the Ocicat comes FIRST before those other breeds
post #67 of 89
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Don't forget that the Ocicat comes FIRST before those other breeds
Well said
post #68 of 89
How about with the snow bengals, what's the desirable or show quality traits? Obviously build wise and markings would be the same. My AOC snow spotted boy is very snowy with spots on hi belly, but his back is much dark with spots and lots of glitter. Is he a bit dark for a snow? Also i think maybe he has too many small spots rather than some of the otehr pics on here that look more defined?
His leg is stripy not spotty, is quite thick and blunt at the end. His legs are a mix of stripes and spots.

I keep trying to take better photos but as he is permenantly glued to my lap or moving way too fast for pics! it is very hard

He is only pet quality, i'd be interested to know what u think are his flaws. This is my first bengal so i am new to the breed standards etc. He is incredibly muscular, so solid, not a single bit of fat on him. He is so energetic and does backflips when playing with toys, which i have never seen before only ever having lazy BSHs!!






Not great photos sorry!!!
post #69 of 89
I don't know much about snow bengals so I can't really help you. I'm sorry.

I thought it would be interesting to show an early generation bengal here. A woman I met through flickr is the happy owner of a very pretty F1 bengal boy. His name is Mr. Zenit and he's pretty much a charcoal spotted boy with lots of arrowhead spots. He also has a very wild face etc. Which is to be expected really since he's half an ALC.

Here he is cuddling with an F4 bengal girl


You can see his triangular arrowhead spots really well in this one, also notice the thick tail.



His back and profile


All those photos belong to her (as well as the cats) you can see more here

Now bengals these days are not as close genetically to the Asian Leopard cat as this boy but it's still interesting to see, especially when comparing to Ocicats, where the bengals came from.
post #70 of 89
Thread Starter 
Bengals didn't come from the Ocicats. They used Oci's in later breeding programs.

But Oci's came from an orignal cross of siamese and abys - later threw in the silver classic tabby American SH - they are 100% domestic cats. No wild blood in them.
post #71 of 89
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
Bengals didn't come from the Ocicats. They used Oci's in later breeding programs.

But Oci's came from an orignal cross of siamese and abys - later threw in the silver classic tabby American SH - they are 100% domestic cats. No wild blood in them.
I know and I really didn't mean to give that impression I think I probably wasn't clear enough in my last sentence.

I sais in the post: "it's still interesting to see, especially when comparing to Ocicats, where the bengals came from."

A better rearrangement of the words would be "It's still interesting to see where the bengals came from, especially when comparing to Ocicats" and that's interesting (among other things) precicely because there is no wild blood in the Ocicats.
post #72 of 89
OMG Mr Zenit is awesome! I LOVE his wild face. That's the one thing I think is the best about my Simba is that he has a very wild face, even if he is an SBT Bengal.

Do you know if Mr Zenit is an easy cat to raise in the home? I've heard it was really difficult to have and F1 Bengal. I think my Simba is almost a throw back to the F1's because he is the naughtiest cat I've ever known.
post #73 of 89
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Do you know if Mr Zenit is an easy cat to raise in the home? I've heard it was really difficult to have and F1 Bengal. I think my Simba is almost a throw back to the F1's because he is the naughtiest cat I've ever known.
First of all most bengals (SBT included!) are very naughty and energetic cats. I don't think I've yet heard of a bengal who isn't Anyway back to Zenit, his owner is pretty much dedicated herself to keeping cats. She has around 10 cats I think, 5 bengals and 5 rescues. She sais that Zenit is a *very* intense cat, powerful and active, much more so than "normal" cats. Also F1's don't always use litterboxes and prefer to go in water. They're definately not for everyone, usually shy around strangers and need to have a very stable routine.
post #74 of 89
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Also F1's don't always use litterboxes and prefer to go in water.
Wow! I never knew that!
post #75 of 89
Thread Starter 
Ok Sig, I would agree its worded better the 2nd time around - clearer
post #76 of 89
You know the using the water thing might be better than the cat box. Just give them a tub of water to go in, and simply empty in the toilet when they're done. Then you wouldn't have to spend all of that money on kitty litter.
post #77 of 89
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You know the using the water thing might be better than the cat box. Just give them a tub of water to go in, and simply empty in the toilet when they're done. Then you wouldn't have to spend all of that money on kitty litter.
Just a lot of detergent for washing the towels you'd need to clean up after them.

I can't wait to add Penny to my household - I'm looking forward to the excitement she'll add by just being her Bengal self!
post #78 of 89
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Originally Posted by Siggav View Post
I don't know much about snow bengals so I can't really help you. I'm sorry.

I thought it would be interesting to show an early generation bengal here. A woman I met through flickr is the happy owner of a very pretty F1 bengal boy. His name is Mr. Zenit and he's pretty much a charcoal spotted boy with lots of arrowhead spots. He also has a very wild face etc. Which is to be expected really since he's half an ALC.

Here he is cuddling with an F4 bengal girl


You can see his triangular arrowhead spots really well in this one, also notice the thick tail.



His back and profile


All those photos belong to her (as well as the cats) you can see more here

Now bengals these days are not as close genetically to the Asian Leopard cat as this boy but it's still interesting to see, especially when comparing to Ocicats, where the bengals came from.

WOW! That is one stunning boy! He's gorgeous! Amazing type and I just love his profile. Thank you so much for sharing this Sigga!

Ares has pretty good bengal type. I took a ton of pics and have a link to flickr as well. Heres a composite, but theres more pics Here



You can see a few similarities between Mr. Zenit and Ares. The 'goggles', the puffy whisker pad, the marks on the whisker pad, the slope of the nose in profile, the somewhat angular face. Very cool!
post #79 of 89
BEAUTIFUL Bengals! How can anyone resist them?
post #80 of 89
Decided to share this photo here (it's also posted in my Nikita photos thread over in Fur pictures). Basically the Bengal glitter is easy to see on cats you meet if the light is right but can be hard to explain to people who have never seen it and it's quite tricky to catch in photos.

I deliberately tried to take a photo (took lots of tries) to show off Nikita's glitter so voila! You can see the golden sparkles, almost as if she's been sprinkled with gold dust. Not all bengals are glittered and the glitter came not from the Asian Leopard Cat but from one of the domestic cats used when the breed was created so it should be possible to find it in other cats but I think bengals are the only breed where glitter shows up very regularely.



To go back to the original topic, if you see this sort of shimmer on a spotted cat it's added weight on the "this is probably a bengal" scale when trying to tell the breeds apart.
post #81 of 89
Siggav, that's a great shot of the Bengal glitter. The first time I really saw Simba's glitter was one afternoon when the sun was shining in, through the window, and I saw all of those beautiful gold dust sparkles all over his coat. It just blew me away.
post #82 of 89
I LOVE the glitter!
post #83 of 89
Thread Starter 
Question - if the glitter did not come from the ALC, then which breed DID it come from. I've had people mentioned (on here) in some of Charlie's pictures if he had glitter. In reality I don't see it - he's shiny but don't see the glitter like on the Bengals.
post #84 of 89
From the Indian Mau used by the founder of the breed.

*edit:

Millwood Tory/Toby of Delhi is the cats name.

Heres a great link explaining the glitter gene:

http://www.akerrsbengals.com/commonterms.htm

(that link also explains a lot about what to look for in a bengal)
post #85 of 89
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
Question - if the glitter did not come from the ALC, then which breed DID it come from.
From what I've gathered the glitter came originally from a domestic cat called Millwood Tory of Delhi that was found wandering around the Delhi Zoo. That cat was bred with F1 bengal females when the breed was just starting out. He ended up being registered as a Mau I think.
post #86 of 89
Also, GK, I first thought Charlie had glitter too. But that was before I actually saw glitter in person. Charlie has an amazingly shiney coat, but its obvious to me now that there is no glitter.

As others have mentioned, its really hard to photograph glitter. Heres some on Ares.If you look on his nose, thats not dried up food ( ) its glitter:


(reduced!)

Also, Ares has really shiny fur as well. His glitter is more concentrated in certain spots. Especially along the two brown stripes down his back. I'll try to catch that this weekend. But his fur is shiny all over, which I think some call a different kind of glitter, but I'm not sure about that. Whatever it is, it kind of makes the cats look like they are glowing. Gives them a 3-D look. I've seen that in other breeds too though, but not as frequently. Maybe it has something to do with the pelt?

post #87 of 89
Thread Starter 
Oh I agree with you, Charlie is just shiny, but no glitter. I think some thought so cause in the sunlite it appears like glitter if the sun hits the fur on the right angle.

I got to see one of the Bengals with real glitter on him at the last show

and reduce the picture please - its messing up my pc
post #88 of 89
Enjoyed reading the posts. Thanks.

http://www.DiCaprioBengals.com
post #89 of 89
I think the thing notice most about my one bengal boy, the neuter, my first bengal, is his 'dog' like face. There is nothing else i can think of to describe it. When I start taking pics with this new fancy 35 mm I bought on ebay, I am going to post some GOOD pics of my babies. It most resembles the F1 boy posted on this thread earlier. The only other bengal i have with this interesting face is my little show boy Kong.
Not only is his face dog-like, he 'barks'. It's a distinctly un-catlike sound and it it is a deep soft bark, really it is. It's a warning sound he uses to the kittens when they intrude on his personal space. It's the only time I've ever heard him use this sound, and he is absolutely the only cat I've ever heard making it. Would love to hear from other bengal owners if they know this sound.
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