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post #31 of 43
Two reasons why I would consider voting for Hillary:
1) her pro-choice stance
2) her advocacy of universal national health insurance (I live in a country where that exists, and have experienced the benefits)

I've been living in the European Union for 25 years, so I've witnessed how Maggie Thatcher (UK) intimidated and outwitted her male counterparts, and how Angela Merkel (Germany) has been holding her own as Chancellor.

As far as how other countries would react to a female U.S. president is concerned, I rather think that Secretaries of State Albright and Rice have broken the ice. They, and H. Clinton, seem to have far more substance than S. Royal in France, and I'm sure the French would rather forget E. Cresson.
post #32 of 43
Basically, I agree with jcat, especially the health care point. I also think her husband would make a fantastic ambassador-at-large. If I were a democrat, I would probably vote for Obama in the primary, but as a Republican, I would definately consider voting for her in the general election.
post #33 of 43
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Originally Posted by jcat View Post
Two reasons why I would consider voting for Hillary:
1) her pro-choice stance
2) her advocacy of universal national health insurance (I live in a country where that exists, and have experienced the benefits)

I've been living in the European Union for 25 years, so I've witnessed how Maggie Thatcher (UK) intimidated and outwitted her male counterparts, and how Angela Merkel (Germany) has been holding her own as Chancellor.

As far as how other countries would react to a female U.S. president is concerned, I rather think that Secretaries of State Albright and Rice have broken the ice. They, and H. Clinton, seem to have far more substance than S. Royal in France, and I'm sure the French would rather forget E. Cresson.
Hilary's stand on universal national health insurance is one reason I cannot vote for her---pity, I really like her for the most part.
post #34 of 43
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Originally Posted by Kellyyfaber View Post
Hilary's stand on universal national health insurance is one reason I cannot vote for her---pity, I really like her for the most part.
Won't that make medical care much cheaper for most of us? I do like that policy of hers.
post #35 of 43
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Won't that make medical care much cheaper for most of us? I do like that policy of hers.
A universal health insurance system like Canada's would cut bureaucratic costs: http://www.hms.harvard.edu/news/rele...oolhimmel.html
What's really needed is a plan operated on a state or federal level, and not one pandering to the big insurance companies.
post #36 of 43
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A universal health insurance system like Canada's would cut bureaucratic costs: .
it may, but why do people i know in canada who need something , come to the states many times? Why do some doctors come here?, One doc i know from up north way, said he has to many rules on him and he can not really do what is best many time, cause of the rules in place. Plus, they dont have the number of people we do.

what needs to be done, is
price control placed on stuff, drugs etc.
limits placed on lawyers to stop driving up the cost
and help for those who are out of work, or to sick to work.
post #37 of 43
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Won't that make medical care much cheaper for most of us? I do like that policy of hers.
not really, cause your taxes will go up to cover,
plus you still have your medical taken out from your job,
end result is you will have fall less of your money that you work for.
post #38 of 43
It's still a disgrace that roughly 46 million people in one of the world's richest countries have no health insurance, and millions more are under-insured.

I definitely believe there should be some control of drug prices. One prescription drug my mother needs daily (and there are several of them) costs $132 a month, and isn't covered by any of the prescription drug plans for senior citizens.

All the presidential candidates had better get a health care reform plan worked out, if only to get the public motivated to push Congress to finally do something. They should talk about relatively high infant mortality rates due to lacking prenatal care, the situation in public hospitals, etc.. Why aren't they looking at the Swiss system? Bill Clinton wanted a German-type plan (a combination of public and private insurance schemes, with mandatory employee and employer income-based contributions, with no charge for doctors' visits, and a very small deductible for prescription drugs and hospitalization), but that has since been reformed to include a €10 ($13.64) per quarter deductible for doctors'/dentists' visits.

I give Hillary credit for keeping the issue in the public eye, even though I don't think her plan is the most feasible. At least she's addressing the problem.
post #39 of 43
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
what needs to be done, is
price control placed on stuff, drugs etc.
limits placed on lawyers to stop driving up the cost
and help for those who are out of work, or to sick to work.
Don't forget about limiting the doctors driving up the costs too.
post #40 of 43
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Originally Posted by lunasmom View Post
Don't forget about limiting the doctors driving up the costs too.
i had this converstaion with my doc one day over a beer.
According them him, the first 2 weeks of each month just about covers, insurance for the lawyers, another week pays the staff, and the bills for the buliding the third is his. now he said that as you go up, such as like my back doctor , his insurance is about 2x what a general doc is.

now as he said that was a kinda rough, idea but more or less the way it was.
lol or so he said
post #41 of 43
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Originally Posted by jcat View Post
I definitely believe there should be some control of drug prices. One prescription drug my mother needs daily (and there are several of them) costs $132 a month, and isn't covered by any of the prescription drug plans for senior citizens.

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Tell me, with changing jobs, i had to pay for my own diabetes meds.
almost 1000 dollars a month. and the inusrance at first said they would not pay , due to i already had it, well left the job, which then turned around and said they pay it.

well they pay part of it now, but its still 400 a month i put out. Until i started ordering stuff from overseas, now, the same stuff that 300 here, is 2 dollars for 30 day worth. western countries are being raped, for drugs. i dont think its just hillary many people have been talking about it.
post #42 of 43
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
i had this converstaion with my doc one day over a beer.
According them him, the first 2 weeks of each month just about covers, insurance for the lawyers, another week pays the staff, and the bills for the buliding the third is his. now he said that as you go up, such as like my back doctor , his insurance is about 2x what a general doc is.

now as he said that was a kinda rough, idea but more or less the way it was.
lol or so he said
Huh, I guess I was thinking private practise doctors. I understand the lawyer part but I guess I view private practise doctors as being able to give themselves a raise whenever they want to. Insurance does limit them, but still, from my understanding doctors in Europe do not make as much money as they do in the U.S. because of a cap.

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I definitely believe there should be some control of drug prices. One prescription drug my mother needs daily (and there are several of them) costs $132 a month, and isn't covered by any of the prescription drug plans for senior citizens.
AMEN!!!! Boyfriend uses the VA for all of his medical needs (ex-Army) and he LOVES it. He is also diabetic and pays may $1-2 per bottle of insulin, compared to what Bruce stated earlier. He goes in for his visits and between the office visit and Rx he rarely pays more then $20 out of pocket.

The only downside was his back operation a few years ago. He had to fight with the VA to pay it since his surgery was done out of the VA system. Otherwise I'm really envious.

OK now we're off topic of Hilary (well not too far off)...anyhoo sorry!!
post #43 of 43
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
There has to be some issue there for anyone man or women to deal with a mate that cheats on you all the time, and stay. If she stayed cause in her mind it made for a better chance at power, then that to me also makes her weak. And being to scared to do italone. that my view.
I think thats what bothers me about her too. Its not so much that she stayed, but why she stayed. If it was the first time and he was truly sorry, she may have chosen to forgive him and try to mend their marriage. She doesn't seem like the type to be walked on, so whats her motive? Love?- that doesn't seem believeable. Its not like Monica was even the first. I remember not voting for Bill the first time because of Jennifer Flowers. If his wife couldn't trust him, why should I? If trust isn't an issue with her, should I trust HER? My guess is that she put her success first. It may have been a great political move, but it bothers me.
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