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Hillary Clinton - tell me about her

post #1 of 43
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So theres been a bit of coverage of the Democratic Debate on UK news channels.

As a Brit I do like to at least have a grasp of what goes on in other countries.

I've had a look at her web-page and the debate on the HillaryHub. BUT I'd like to know from our US members and others who'd like to comment, what they think about her, her policies, her views etc..etc.. - you know to get a grass roots opinion

Thanks
post #2 of 43
lol well if she ever keeps a view i would be more then happy to tell you http://news.yahoo.com/s/uc/20070331/...CrjjH_LVCt8c8F heeh there you go, software to let you program her views

I cant stand her, and if the democratics want to lose again please go ahead and run her. however i do think she is very smart. and i would bet she can spell better then me, but that is about all the nice things i can think of.
post #3 of 43
I honestly haven't paid her much mind so far.... But I can say that I am from NY originally, and it seems most people in my family or acquaintances that I have spoken with from Upstate, do not like her, no matter which party they typically support. Seems to be her supporters in NY are from the city, which is extraordinarily different from Upstate. If I remember correctly, some Upstate New Yorker's were rather offended when she moved there and ran for senator.
post #4 of 43
I read both her and her husband's biography. I read a lot of biographies written by political figures because it is interesting to hear their perspective on what happened behind the scenes and it gives me some insight into what motivates them.

Hillary's book was disappointing. She wrote it in a manner where she maintained political correctness through out the book. Her real personality never really came out and I didn't learn very much about Hillary as a person.

She is a very strong personality and appears to be her best when she is in power. Her causes seem sincere - she spent a good part of her time when Bill was in office trying to reform health care. It is a mess in this country and she was no more successful at reforming it than anyone that has attempted it in the past. Her arguments on what needed to be done and her approach seemed very well reasoned.

She's a very intelligent person and I suspect that one of the reasons that so many people dislike her is the same reason that there are few women in power in corporate America. People in this country respond very poorly to women in power. It's still very much a mans world over here. Women don't play by the same rules as men and men don't like it. I've personally seen VP's in fortune 500 companies go on the attack against their female peers for no other reason that they consider them a b*tch.

For that reason, the U.S. is not ready for a female president. I hope she realizes that and withdraws from the race. I would vote for her, but also know that she wouldn't win.
post #5 of 43
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Originally Posted by Momofmany View Post
She's a very intelligent person and I suspect that one of the reasons that so many people dislike her is the same reason that there are few women in power in corporate America. People in this country respond very poorly to women in power. It's still very much a mans world over here. Women don't play by the same rules as men and men don't like it. I've personally seen VP's in fortune 500 companies go on the attack against their female peers for no other reason that they consider them a b*tch.

For that reason, the U.S. is not ready for a female president. I hope she realizes that and withdraws from the race. I would vote for her, but also know that she wouldn't win.


I couldn't of said it better myself. Many people *ahem - men* tend to dislike her because she is an intelligent woman and is very powerful. The tendency here is that if you're a man who is intelligent and powerful then you are successful. If you are a woman who intelligent and powerful then you are a b****. One male oriented radio station here will only refer to her as "The Beast". They won't acknowledge her name or anything...she's just The Beast.

I do like Hilary and would like to see her as our first female president. However, like MomofMany said the U.S. isn't ready for a female president. It'll sort of turn into the joke of women drivers [and how horrible they are]
post #6 of 43
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Originally Posted by Momofmany View Post
She is a very strong personality and appears to be her best when she is in power. Her causes seem sincere - she spent a good part of her time when Bill was in office trying to reform health care. It is a mess in this country and she was no more successful at reforming it than anyone that has attempted it in the past. Her arguments on what needed to be done and her approach seemed very well reasoned.

She's a very intelligent person and I suspect that one of the reasons that so many people dislike her is the same reason that there are few women in power in corporate America. People in this country respond very poorly to women in power. It's still very much a mans world over here. Women don't play by the same rules as men and men don't like it. I've personally seen VP's in fortune 500 companies go on the attack against their female peers for no other reason that they consider them a b*tch.

For that reason, the U.S. is not ready for a female president. I hope she realizes that and withdraws from the race. I would vote for her, but also know that she wouldn't win.
i would disagree, with most of that, how i do agree that she is very intelligent. Most of the people i know dislike her for views, and the ones that keep changing based on the polls. lol funny the women that some people calll a B@tch in the work place seem to be the ones i get along with. At least the ones we have anyway. Or maybe the one who in charge of the IT depmart now, who is nosense, find out whats broke and fix it. that i can deal with.

I dont see her as being, strong, the reason she appears to be at her best when in power is to cover for a low self esteem, which is why she changes her views more then i change underwear. how some my disagree with me. There has to be some issue there for anyone man or women to deal with a mate that cheats on you all the time, and stay. If she stayed cause in her mind it made for a better chance at power, then that to me also makes her weak. And being to scared to do italone. that my view.

I would more the willing to bet that america would vote for a women for presdent.
just put up one that can do the job(oh wait we dont even put up men anymore that can do the job nevermind)
post #7 of 43
I don't like her, and I have no good reason not to like her, it's just that she doesn't seem likable enough. She seems like she would be mean, and cold like a Robot with no compassion and human feelings. It's like she will "act" compassionate, if it's the "correct" thing to do, or she'll laugh at something, if she sees that other people think it's funny. I guess I see her as a cold cruel robot. Her policies seem OK. I'm basically a Liberal and a feminist, so you would think I'd be all for her, but I just can't stand her. I'd vote for a Republican before I would her, and that is saying something, but I am totally against most Republican Policies. Now, if you had Hillary and one of the Bush family running for President, I WOULD vote for Hillary, because NOTHING is worse than a Bush.

I do think if we end up with another Republican in the White House, it will be Hillary's fault. She should be a decent person, and drop out of the race, because I don't see how she can win, because she just isn't likable enough.
post #8 of 43
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I don't like her, and I have no good reason not to like her, it's just that she doesn't seem likable enough. She seems like she would be mean, and cold like a Robot with no compassion and human feelings. It's like she will "act" compassionate, if it's the "correct" thing to do, or she'll laugh at something, if she sees that other people think it's funny. I guess I see her as a cold cruel robot. Her policies seem OK. I'm basically a Liberal and a feminist, so you would think I'd be all for her, but I just can't stand her. I'd vote for a Republican before I would her, and that is saying something, but I am totally against most Republican Policies. Now, if you had Hillary and one of the Bush family running for President, I WOULD vote for Hillary, because NOTHING is worse than a Bush.

I couldn't have said that last sentence better. I am not really sure how I feel about Hilary, however, I do know that I will vote for a democrat over a republican because I am just tired of all the chaos they have caused. I know that both parties are not perfect and that they have good and bad for both, but let's face it, the republican party (especially with Bush) has just about botched it up and I think the american people are finally starting to acknowledge how much of a mess Bush has made.
I think she is popular because she is very smart, but also having been behind the scenes when her husband was in office. I do not think that this country will accept a female to become president because woman are still being paid only 70% of what men make. That tells me that a woman is still not equal to a man. Until people can get past that stigma, women won't have a chance. I think she should step down to allow some of the other democratic candidates a better chance of winning the election.
We will need someone who can turn this mess around and start to concentrate on issues that are truly important such as global warming, gas, health care, poverty, etc. I just hope this election turns out better than the last one because it was a disaster.
post #9 of 43
Hillary Clintons stance on "Gun Control" alone is enough to keep her out of the White House........let alone any of her other short-comings. And........NO...it isn't because she is a woman and I happen to be a man.....its just the FACTS. I would be willing to bet that she couldn't even carry all of the womens votes in this country.

Winter Hawk
post #10 of 43
No problem with a strong intelligent woman but Hillary tries to bulldoze people with what SHE thinks is right. Politics requires tact, diplomacy and compromise. The only compromise that I've seen from Hillary is staying married to a lying, deceitful philanderer in order to build and maintain a power base. Face it: SHE'S got the brains and HE'S got the charm.
post #11 of 43
I don't like her. I don't trust her. I think she is highly intelligent, but there is an undercurrent there that gives me the creeps.
Did anyone here her speech in Alabama for MLK day? Oh my word- it was embarrassing! I can't stand her, and I was embarrassed for her!

Aside from her politics (that I don't agree with- and her national healthcare program? Just the mention of the plan was enough to send my specialty health clinic into a panic- it was bad) she just doesn't seem comfortable being nice and social and, well, just friendly. It seems like it strains her when she tries to be a regular, "likable", person, the " being herself" thing that a politician needs to be to win over the people. JIMHO .
post #12 of 43
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No problem with a strong intelligent woman but Hillary tries to bulldoze people with what SHE thinks is right. Politics requires tact, diplomacy and compromise. The only compromise that I've seen from Hillary is staying married to a lying, deceitful philanderer in order to build and maintain a power base. Face it: SHE'S got the brains and HE'S got the charm.
Very well said. I also dislike her because she is SOOO liberal in her views...not even moderate...just all the way out there. I think a canidate for ANY party needs to be somewhere in the middle (not too liberal, not too conservative to get the majority of the votes and not turn more people away than you can attract.) I am also pro-life so i disagree with her stance on abortion and several other issues. She seems like a smart intelligent woman- i applaud her for having the guts to go after her dreams and persue something she's interested in, i just would personally not vote for her because she does not believe in the same things i do nor does she support the same issues i do.
post #13 of 43
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ooo thanks folks - I've found all your comments very interesting & varied - I was fascinated to hear the male/female thing emerged - whilst I'm aware of it and I think it is a problem facing many countries to varying levels, I did wonder if it would raise its head here.

I also think Hillary comes across rather cold & robotic - her face never seems to show much expression and when it does it seems rather false/forced.

It seems her candidacy may be used tactical by the others to achieve their success......
post #14 of 43
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ooo thanks folks - I've found all your comments very interesting & varied - I was fascinated to hear the male/female thing emerged - whilst I'm aware of it and I think it is a problem facing many countries to varying levels, I did wonder if it would raise its head here.

I also think Hillary comes across rather cold & robotic - her face never seems to show much expression and when it does it seems rather false/forced.

It seems her candidacy may be used tactical by the others to achieve their success......
You see her basically the same way I see her. As far as her being a woman, I'm not against a female presicent, I'd vote for a female if I liked her and all that she stood for. As far as Hillary Clinton being super Liberal, I'm not against that either, as I am a Liberal myself, only probably a bit more moderate than she is. I just don't like her, because she seems like someone who has no human compassion at all. I wish she would drop out of the race, because I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANOTHER REPUBLICAN in the White House.
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I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANOTHER REPUBLICAN in the White House.
hmm see that what i think is wrong. Dont vote down party lines. Vote for who you think is the best person. Be they republican or dem, or whoever. i hear people talk all th etime, they go in just vote, all dem, or all rep etc. there have been dem i have voted for, just not for presdent that last few times. cause i could not vote for the ones they would put up. And its starting to look likes it going to go that way again.

hillary, no way,besides i dont like her change of accents :P you have or you dont.

obama? he gives a right pretty speech, but that about it, if he would win, i may as well forget my pay check. i really dont feel like 75% taxes

edwards? no thanks, i dont like ambulance chasers. he is one of the reasons the cost of medical care in this country is so high. he needs to go back to channeling dead spirits again. Who knows maybe he can get on late night show with art bell.

come on!!! you cant tell me that is the best the dem have to offer..

i wish those people that where running would voice there real views, not just there party lines. however the couple of people that i really like, there is couple from both parties that i like. wont win, or even get a chance to run due to both have little supprt from there party, due to they have rep of working with the other side. Its sad really , people that seem to really care about the country as a whole are not winning due to lack of support, cause they dont always give in to the party line, or lobby groups.

the country is what comes first, not the party!!!

hmm i hope all of that makes sense.
post #16 of 43
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I also think Hillary comes across rather cold & robotic - her face never seems to show much expression and when it does it seems rather false/forced.
In defense on Hillary's part, she is in a typical "man's world". Our state governor (for Michigan) is like that. Heck being in IT to a degree I'm like that. Because of the U.S's point of view of females (including that 70% of what men make) a woman does have to be aggressive and ballsy in order to present herself being equal to a man.

She didn't get to where she is today simply by staying quiet in a corner, smiling, courtsing, and hugging everyone. The political game requires balls and she had to grow them.
post #17 of 43
If I have to choose between someone likeable or intelligent for president, I think I'll pick intelligent. We already tried the other way, and it failed. (Not that I think Bush is likeable, but I remember people saying he would be a great guy to sit and have a beer with) She's running for president, not Miss Congeniality. And not everyone wears their heart on their sleeve. Yes, her husband was charming and intelligent, and look where that got him. If she had left him, you would have said she should have stuck with him and worked it out cause she promised "til death do us part".

That being said, the changing accent does annoy me, and Obama's lack of experience worries me.

I used to look at the candidate, not the party, but seeing the mess the Republicans have got us into, I will not vote for them.
post #18 of 43
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In defense on Hillary's part, she is in a typical "man's world". Our state governor (for Michigan) is like that. Heck being in IT to a degree I'm like that. Because of the U.S's point of view of females (including that 70% of what men make) a woman does have to be aggressive and ballsy in order to present herself being equal to a man.

She didn't get to where she is today simply by staying quiet in a corner, smiling, courtsing, and hugging everyone. The political game requires balls and she had to grow them.
I agree with that, its a tough world in politics, but I didn't mean I would like to see her - quote - "smiling, courtsing & hugging everyone " unquote, my comments where not about her having these so-called female traits, but about being more genuine, compassionate etc, all those things that both men & woman can show and could possibly endear people more to them.

You mention that a woman has to be more aggressive to present herself as more equal to men, do you think Hillary does that ?? is that what is needed then someone aggressive ?
post #19 of 43
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I don't like her, and I have no good reason not to like her, it's just that she doesn't seem likable enough. She seems like she would be mean, and cold like a Robot with no compassion and human feelings. It's like she will "act" compassionate, if it's the "correct" thing to do, or she'll laugh at something, if she sees that other people think it's funny. I guess I see her as a cold cruel robot. Her policies seem OK.
I really haven't been paying enough attention to comment, but I think Hillary seems cold because she is a lawyer. And I think dealing with laws and policies all the time typically makes people come across this way. Just my
post #20 of 43
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You mention that a woman has to be more aggressive to present herself as more equal to men, do you think Hillary does that ?? is that what is needed then someone aggressive ?
And that, I believe, is the fundamental reason why people don't like her. She is aggressive and because she is a woman, that is looked upon as being cold and robotic. A woman is supposed to be the gentle loving mom over here. Reread the specific reasons why people don't like her and you will see a theme here.

I should be a VP in my company. I've given up trying because people started labeling me as the b*tch. I'm not power hungry enough to want the label. Hillary is.
post #21 of 43
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And that, I believe, is the fundamental reason why people don't like her. She is aggressive and because she is a woman, that is looked upon as being cold and robotic. A woman is supposed to be the gentle loving mom over here. Reread the specific reasons why people don't like her and you will see a theme here.

I should be a VP in my company. I've given up trying because people started labeling me as the b*tch. I'm not power hungry enough to want the label. Hillary is.
Right on!

If Hillary had stuck with the charm and charisma, she would still be labeled as a first wife to President Clinton. The more power hungry you are the more aggressive you become. In this day and age in the U.S. a woman needs to decide how power hungry she is. If she doesn't mind being called a b*tch then she'll climb to the top, not caring about the charm. she will just charm the people that she needs to charm.

Many people (not jsut men) still want a woman president who will be motherly. We won't ever get that...I mean do we consider Bush the father of our country or Clinton or Reagan? Did they act like father figures at any point? No one showed up to any of my baseball games.

The only downside I see to us having a female president is that it may effect some of our international relations. Many countries do not like to acknowledge women with power.

Whatever the party and whoever does run we need a strong intelligent leader in the White House at this point.
post #22 of 43
Can't stand that woman! Not because she's strong and intelligent, not because she's cold and robotic. Because she's fake. (And because I completely disagree with her politics.) Anyone who has been paying attention since the Clinton presidency knows her politics - which were always much more liberal than Bill's. But ever since she's been considered a Presidential candidate she's trying to appear more moderate so she'll get the majority of America's vote.

She's only been in politics for 7 years on her own. She held no elected office at all before becoming a NY Senator, which I also think was cheap on her part - she couldn't run honestly in her actual home state? Probably because the people of Arkansas knew too much about her to elect her.
post #23 of 43
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Can't stand that woman! Not because she's strong and intelligent, not because she's cold and robotic. Because she's fake. (And because I completely disagree with her politics.)
most seem to be hooked on the idea, that she cant win cause she is female.
she cant for the reason said above she is FAKE.
post #24 of 43
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Right on!

If Hillary had stuck with the charm and charisma, she would still be labeled as a first wife to President Clinton. The more power hungry you are the more aggressive you become. In this day and age in the U.S. a woman needs to decide how power hungry she is. If she doesn't mind being called a b*tch then she'll climb to the top, not caring about the charm. she will just charm the people that she needs to charm.

Many people (not jsut men) still want a woman president who will be motherly. We won't ever get that...I mean do we consider Bush the father of our country or Clinton or Reagan? Did they act like father figures at any point? No one showed up to any of my baseball games.
No, but they were personable- likeable, sense of humor, comfortable in their own skins type of people. I think this standard applies to men and women, especially in politics- to get people to listen and trust them enough to want to vote for them. You have to be able to relate to people.
Hillary is awkward and cold, and seems to always be trying to hard to be something she is not to get people to like her. Man or woman, that's not a plus in leadership. If she is reserved and calculating, intelligent, "no holds barred" kind of woman, be that. For example, don't come to my state and give a speech in the worst imitation of a southern accent I have ever heard- that's embarrassing and insulting- we're southern, not stupid.

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The only downside I see to us having a female president is that it may effect some of our international relations. Many countries do not like to acknowledge women with power.
That's the only thing about having a woman for president that bothers me- I am sure that there are many women, Republican and Democrat, who could do the job, and do it well. But in many places the worldwide community, it is seen as a weakness, and that's just the way this imperfect, unfair world works.

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Whatever the party and whoever does run we need a strong intelligent leader in the White House at this point.

Amen.





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most seem to be hooked on the idea, that she cant win cause she is female.
she cant for the reason said above she is FAKE.
That's the ticket . That's how I feel about her too (incase you couldn't tell! )
post #25 of 43
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So the point coming through about a female president not being a good thing for various reasons

What did you all think to Margaret Thatcher when she was Prime Minister of the UK - she was in continuous power from 1975 until 1990 the longest serving PM since Lord Salisbury who was PM on three separate occasions for 13 yrs.

So she must have been doing something right - not that I want to get into things about the Conservative Party and what she did or didn't do, just the thing about a woman leader...........if it worked for the UK, why cant it work for the States, maybe it might be the answer - not to say Hillary is the answer but you know what I mean .......
post #26 of 43
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she couldn't run honestly in her actual home state? Probably because the people of Arkansas knew too much about her to elect her.
She's actually from Illinois and only moved to Arkansas when she married Bill. And interestingly enough, her father was a staunch republican and she was raised that way. She leaned republican her early years and didn't even get involved on the democratic side until after she met Bill. (biographies are good for these pieces of information)
post #27 of 43
I liked Thatcher. She is a good example of a strong female leader IMHO. Hillary is no Margaret Thatcher. (To steal a line- )
post #28 of 43
I don't think there is anything wrong with a female President. I don't know if the "Good Ole Boys" are ready for it. I honestly wish she was more likable and more easy to trust and less robotic, because I would love to give her my vote. It would be a major step forward in the US, if we voted in a Female President,

As far as being "Cold" because she's a lawyer, I don't really agree with that. John Edwards is a lawyer as well, and he comes off warm and compassionate. I don't know if he is, but he does seem like someone who would weigh things out, using human compassion and understanding. Hillary comes off as cold, calculating, and only weighing things out as a way to benefit her, and what "looks" better, not what "is" better for the nation as a whole. All I can say, if she gets the Democratic nomination, we will end up with another 4 years of Conservative Government. Hopefully not as George Bush, but definately not for the little or regular hard working people. By the way I always heard that she was a Republican before she met and married Bill Clinton. Once again, this comes as Robotic, because it doesn't seem she knows what she is. She will just be what looks or seems the most acceptable.

By the way, what is this about her changing her accent? What kind of accent is she trying to use now?
post #29 of 43
I LOVE Hillary Clinton. She a strong outspoken woman who has held her own in the political world and has gotten crap for it. She transformed the image of the First Lady into a active one. Not just advocating for kids, but worked on drafting legislation. She ran and won the junior senator seat from New York and has been serving very well. She has experience in national politics, she knows the pressures of the White House, thus her appeal. Too bad certian people in this country still say she's a bad pick because she's a woman. The bad thing about primaries is they force canidate to make a mad dash to the extreme of their party just so they can win the nomination, then have to make a mad dash to the middle to appeal to the everyday voter. To bad I'm an independent. I would vote for her next spring in a heart beat.
post #30 of 43
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But ever since she's been considered a Presidential candidate she's trying to appear more moderate so she'll get the majority of America's vote.
That's the only thing that I'm unsure of about her. Granted she was smart enough to do the right thing and appear more moderate rather than liberal. My only concern with her is will she remain moderate or will she go back to being liberal?

Obama's too young for presidency IMO. John Edwards looks too much like John Ritter, so all I can picture is Jack Tripper tripping over the couch. Plus isn't his wife diagnosed with cancer?
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