Congress votes for withdrawal date from Iraq - Page 3

naw, you got nothing we want, and i hear the chinese promise to wipe out the vegemite farms

Really, in a few more years i dont see the US as being able to support the navy need to help you. SO make friends with the Indo, malay, and thai

Very true...and very sadI absolutely HATE Bush's policy on illegals too- he should come live in my old neighborhood for a week- he'd go crazy what with all the loud music, gang activity, drugs, alcohol, and all the other bad things the illegals have drug in with them- INS won't do a thing about it eithor. Illegals need to be made to leave. I am all for immigration- but it needs to be done LEGALLY and laws need to be enforced strictly that aren't being. And outsourcing...uhhhh talk about a headache! The US definitely isn't the powerhouse it once was....i agree with ya bruce

Illegals is a whole issue in itself? Have any of you seen the marches again this year? They are in Milwaukee.

Clinton passed a bill regarding line item veto in 1996 for the President to highlight portions of a bill he didn't like. It allowed him to basically cut out the parts he didn't like, and have congress review them. That way t doesn't come across as a veto, just a review. Clinton liked it because it helped prevent congress from pork bareling unnecessary spending. He used it 11 times I believe. Most states have line item veto, however, it was later found as unconstitutional. Bush has pushed for a similar bill within the past year.

Ohh, oh, oh oh oh... okay, I'm not getting into the immigration issues on this thread cause it will totally hijack it... someone should start a thread though, or maybe not. This is an issue that infuriates me more than/at least as much as the Iraq bs.

KitE, I think Imp is right... we won't have any resources to help ourselves let alone someone else now that Bush has decimated the US (as well as Iraq)...

The other thing is, if they really wanted to give money to Katrina victims, poor, ill, education, etc. they would. It isn't a matter of - no money for Iraq so we'll fund these other things. "Budget" has a different meaning than how most of us real people "budget". They just spend however much they want to.

As for our economy, well, we are still "the most prosperous" nation, and our poor have it good compared to other places (I know, try telling THEM that!). Our unemployment rate is still lower than most anywhere in the world. Our cost of living is lower than many places too, especially our price of gasoline (though we're creeping up there).

But you're right, we aren't the economic powerhouse we once were. That has nothing to do with the war in Iraq, though. It has more to do with NAFTA, which started the outsourcing movement. Our manufactuing base has all but disappeared, so we are importing vastly more than we are exporting.

Sarah, I think everyone agrees that we want the war to end, and we want our soldiers home safe. However, the proposal by the Dems was not the way to do it. If this is just the game they have to play to get to a real change in how forces are utilized in Iraq, then so be it. I would certainly prefer that our troops be utilized to assist the Iraqis in training and security so their fledgling government learns to operate itself and it's own country, rather than leading the security of the country. Perhaps this is the means to that end.